The quote function is broken (again for Christ sake) so i depend of you actually coming around this post if i replied or not
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The demons that appeared in Soul Reaver 2 cannot be Hylden but instead they are inhabitants from the dimencion that the Hylden were banished. But for the sake of argument lets just pretend that they are Hylden for a moment. We seem them in Soul Reaver 2 for the first time in Nosgoth future (100+ years after the Pillars collapse) and they appeared in Nosgoth past (500 years before the collapse of the Pillars) to stop Raziel to progress any further to retrieve Janos Audron heart. Now, if they are able to jump from the other dimencion to this one 500 years back, then the Pillars have already failed to do their job because all that the Hylden needed to do is just slowly teleport one by one here and there wont be a need to make the Pillars collapse anyway nor any massive scheme. Remember, the Pillars are supposed to keep them there AND reduce their powers to a minimun. After all, this is the race that was the equal to the Vampires in every level and imprisining isnt going to do anything because they will just warp back here, so i assume (never explained) that the Pillars ALSO reduce any reality altering power to null. But even then it seems so simple to just warp until every Hylden is free.
So, again, this was before the second paradox in Soul Reaver 2 and we see that both in the future and the past they can warp in Nosgoth at will without the help of that portal in Blood Omen 2 (that doesnt exist in this timeline yet) And yet, we dont see Kain mention them in Soul Reaver 1 nor Raziel shows any knowledge about them either; After all, Kain used to tell his adventures to his liutenuants when he was making the empire in the future, so you would expect at least to mention that a fucking army of extradimencional demons who hated vampires tried to take over the world, and since they can warp to the Nosgoth world anytime they would have tried it in both timelines.
It would make a bit more sence if the Demons werent Hylden but instead the habitans of the dimencion that the Hylden were banished to. Then, they would get brainwashed or converted to the cause of the Hylden to act as agents for them, because the dimencional barriers are Hylden-proof but doesnt include other races.
So now the only problem left is that we dont know why they didnt invade after the Pillars were gone in the original timeline (that is the events up to the finale of Blood Omen 1, including the time travel that made Kain the last vampire on Nosgoth) Alright then, we know that both choises are rigged to make the Hylden win (either by the extintion of the vampire bloodline that keep the pillars intact or by destroying them when you refuse) but there are no mention of any Hylden in the Blood Omen 1 >> Soul Reaver 1 timeskip. Apparently it was because they needed Janos Audron to be alive to use him in a machine that kills every living creature on Nosgoth. For what?? why do they care to kill every creature in the world?? arent they in a vendeta against the Vampires?? i know i said before that they are mad and deranged for imprisionement but they have at least some coherent capability to actually make a plan. A plan that resulted in a timeline where they dont win anyway (failed to check a bit more far into the future, eh?) Cant they just invade without Janos and kill everyone or open the chest of everyone to look for the heart and THEN use the machine??
They planned to kill every creature alive because that would prevent for more creatures to be born and eventually kill to be returned to the wheel and since they are inmortal and cant be returned to the wheel, there is little the Elder God can do and will possibly starve him to death. That is a nice explanation of their omnicidal tendencies but it left you to wonder why wont the tell the vampires about the Elder God if they knew if he existed or who he really is
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Wait...WHAT??? Michael Bell doesnt want to voice Raziel anymore???? how?? why?? the other stuff you said i already expected something like that (like Crystal Dinamics milking the tits of Lara for cash); But him not wanting to do a voice?? that just struck me as odd since in the voice acting sesions he seemed to have so much fun working. Is there a link somewhere to see his opinion?? In another note, if Tony Jay was alive today and said that he doesnt want to make the voice for the Elder God; i could agree with that. Such a nice guy doing evil characters would have killed him more faster. Good is alergic to evil indeed.
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In Blood Omen 2?? you mean for Kain or Moebius?? it doesnt matter anyway, Kain in Blood Omen 2 is just Younger kain just after BO1, so he hasnt grow up from the "take over the world and the humans are sheep to be herd" not even in the end. Vorador is inexplicably and killed at the end without explanation of why cant he be ressurected. Janos Audron is trapped in the Hylden dimension, and didnt mention anything that could make Kain know the gravity of how far his enemies planed for him to fuck up the world.
In short, nothing of value is gained
In Defiance, we get to know that the Ancient Vampires abducted human children that the Pillars chose when they are born, and then they get converted to vampires to preserve the steril vampire lineage and therefore keeping the Pillars intact and the Hylden in their place. The last humans they captured were Mortanius and Moebius who, after avoiding vampirization, they managed to make a revolt and claimed the pillars for human ownership. In one of the murals in the vampire citadel, you even see the iconic paralizis staff of Moebius that i presume was granted to him by Elder God. This is apparently why Moebius hates Kain so munch because he is probably the first vampire guardian in a long time.
The writers need to explore if the Vampires shotted themselves in the foot by abducting children without asking; or it was the intervention of the Elder God that fucked everything up (again). I find kinda hard to blame the vampires, especially because the vampirization prosses need the Hearth of Darkness to work and since Janos Audron is like a vampire jesus, thinking that he may have fucked up or even have treated the humans like shit, sounds kind of imposible. Unless of course, the Janos we see in Soul Reaver 2 and beyond is a character develepement of a previous Janos who was a dickhead and learned his lesson in a hard way. So yeah, maybe having a game exploring the most hated character in the series + having a explanation of how the omnicience works + how Janos became the saint that he is + if the elder god had to work hard to manipulate Moebius; seems like a good idea to me
"if the elder god had to work hard to manipulate Moebius" aaah man, now i have to critice what i just said.
Remember, Nubraptor's Curse blinded Moebius from the true form of the Elder God, but that was like 500+ years in the future where Blood Omen 1 took place and if we assume that the Elder God gave the staff to Moebius then he most likelly saw him. Unless of course, his omnicient also managed to fuck him over, meaning that if he got the curse on Blood Omen 1 then he most likely had him in every moment of his existence regardless of what time period he is (see why a explanation may be nice?)
While we are on the Janos Audron subject, i think that another sequel possibility besides the "get the the center of the earth to find the core of the Elder God and kill him with the help of Raziel inside the blade, who then raids all the Raziels in existance, that have been imprisioned in the Soul Reaver, to the Elder God core and eat him from the inside out. The mere presense of all those Raziels in the same time period will make the BIGGEST PARADOX IN THE EXISTANCE OF ALL PARADOX IN FICTION EVER and possibly destroy the universe with the hope that everything resets back to normal without the Elder God presence" is a sequel where you simply revisit Nosgoth in specific points where is possible for Kain to jump to the Hylden dimension in search for Janos Audron and to find the Hylden general to purify his vision and let him see the true monster that has caused both Hylden and Vampires to destroy each other. Maybe we can get a dimencion hole big enough to trap the Elder God and trap him for all eternity.
