Leland Yee Hopes To Keep Up The Fight
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You know, I did a presentation on this for a writing class during the past school year, and I found a couple of points against this sort of legislation that people seem to overlook. For one thing, there's crime statistics. That's taken from the FBI's own fucking research. Now, you might notice that those stats are for 2009. This is because the statistics for 2010 are still in the prelim stages. But as anyone can see, since 2006, "Violent crime" (i.e. murder, rape, etc.) in America has taken a fucking nose dive. And if you bother to read the rest of the page, you'll see we're down 7.5% from the level in 2000. In the time it took us to go from Diablo II to Saints Row 2, crime has actually gone down overall. No one seems to give a shit about that. No one else seems to care, either, about these little facts that the ESA gives us: 93% of the time that games are bought or rented, a parent is present, and 86% of the time children receive parental permission before purchasing or renting a game.
So let's look at the facts. The actually researched facts.
1. Video games have gotten more violent and graphic while crime rates have gone down. There isn't a correlation there to speak of, much less causation.
2. The vast majority of the time, parents are aware of when their kids buy/rent, so even if Mr. Yee could cite a single credible source to support his "crystal clear" evidence, this bill would do JACK FUCKING SHIT to stop video games from harming our children. Because their parents are already the ones buying them.
tl;dr These people need to QUIT FUCKING TALKING
So let's look at the facts. The actually researched facts.
1. Video games have gotten more violent and graphic while crime rates have gone down. There isn't a correlation there to speak of, much less causation.
2. The vast majority of the time, parents are aware of when their kids buy/rent, so even if Mr. Yee could cite a single credible source to support his "crystal clear" evidence, this bill would do JACK FUCKING SHIT to stop video games from harming our children. Because their parents are already the ones buying them.
tl;dr These people need to QUIT FUCKING TALKING
I was listening to KGO (a San Francisco bay area radio station) and the presenter said that he doesn't understand exactly what Yee is trying to stop exactly with the crime rate going down incredible since the early 1990's. He said that the real causes for crime and violence are depression, broken homes, and other difficult, controversial, and expensive to treat causes. Video games are simply an easy target. Fuck the California legislature except for a few good eggs it is filled with god damn idiots who never get voted out.
To keep that from happening. Corrupt politicians are nothing new, and overwhelming public opposition is the only way to resist them in a republic, though that's not exactly a fool-proof plan.Bob the frantic said:
I think Mr Yee is by far a more respectable opponent for the gaming community than someone like Jack Thompson. (Not to mention, a whole lot more photogenic.)
Mr Yee does try to keep things professional and civil, and that's something the gaming community would do well to copy. It is good thing that Mr Yee got shot down by the Supreme Court, but acting immaturely and whooping like a bunch of rednecks isn't going to endear the gaming community to the Supreme Court next time around.
By all means, we should enjoy the victory - but we shouldn't let it go to our heads. I am sure that the opponents of gaming will try harder next time.
First they tried with Jack Thompson, but his attacks on everything made sure that everyone ignored him.
Now we have Leland Yee, a respected politician - the danger here is that politicians and judges do hear him out.
I guess you could say gamers have reached the next level in society-wide acceptance. Let's not get complacent and mess up the next level.
Mr Yee does try to keep things professional and civil, and that's something the gaming community would do well to copy. It is good thing that Mr Yee got shot down by the Supreme Court, but acting immaturely and whooping like a bunch of rednecks isn't going to endear the gaming community to the Supreme Court next time around.
By all means, we should enjoy the victory - but we shouldn't let it go to our heads. I am sure that the opponents of gaming will try harder next time.
First they tried with Jack Thompson, but his attacks on everything made sure that everyone ignored him.
Now we have Leland Yee, a respected politician - the danger here is that politicians and judges do hear him out.
I guess you could say gamers have reached the next level in society-wide acceptance. Let's not get complacent and mess up the next level.
TBF, and I'm only doing this because it's so easy to hate Yee, he has introduced some extraordinarily fair reforms - stuff that the rest of the world should look at.
However, like most politicians, he's using a scapegoat to blame all the problems that he can't solve, and he should really be at his home with his 4 kids, rather than driving 85 miles each way every day just to say how parents shouldn't have to be with their kids all the time.
However, like most politicians, he's using a scapegoat to blame all the problems that he can't solve, and he should really be at his home with his 4 kids, rather than driving 85 miles each way every day just to say how parents shouldn't have to be with their kids all the time.
We have crystal clear evidence that video games cause violent behavior. This is the exact reason why crime rates have been falling since 1990.........
It annoys me when people like this guy and Jack Thompson (back when people actually listened to him) blame video games for violent crime. Just because the person involved happened to play video games it does not mean video games caused it. Out of the Millions of people people who buy video games a tiny amount go on to commit violent crimes, that means nothing. It's like blaming Kelloggs because a murderer just so happened to eat corn flakes and then use naive logic to presume that eating cereals turn you into a serial killer.
It annoys me when people like this guy and Jack Thompson (back when people actually listened to him) blame video games for violent crime. Just because the person involved happened to play video games it does not mean video games caused it. Out of the Millions of people people who buy video games a tiny amount go on to commit violent crimes, that means nothing. It's like blaming Kelloggs because a murderer just so happened to eat corn flakes and then use naive logic to presume that eating cereals turn you into a serial killer.
Well that washed up lawyer kept going long after it was clear he caused more harm than good, I wouldn't be surprised to see that level of "dedication" in others.
I would be surprised to see pockets deep enough.
I would be surprised to see pockets deep enough.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Far too many people I know are way too vocal and irrational about gaming that they will whoop and cheer like little children when a pro-games thing happens and nerdrage as if it's the motherf***ing apocalypse whenever anyone dares say anything negative about their immaculate golden child of a hobby. Now, I love games as much as anyone else here, but yeah, the gamer community has some serious problems we refuse to acknowledge far too often, and this ruling may have one or a few of those problems rearing their ugly heads because people with those problems will see this ruling as a justification of those problems. To be honest, while I do believe games are art, sometimes I feel that gamers are trying to push for games to be acknowledged as art for all the wrong reasons, and that just makes us look even more immature. All I can hope is that the problems in the gamer community become so apparent that we as a community will simply be forced to do something about them.Gunner 51 said:I think Mr Yee is by far a more respectable opponent for the gaming community than someone like Jack Thompson. (Not to mention, a whole lot more photogenic.)
Mr Yee does try to keep things professional and civil, and that's something the gaming community would do well to copy. It is good thing that Mr Yee got shot down by the Supreme Court, but acting immaturely and whooping like a bunch of rednecks isn't going to endear the gaming community to the Supreme Court next time around.
By all means, we should enjoy the victory - but we shouldn't let it go to our heads. I am sure that the opponents of gaming will try harder next time.
First they tried with Jack Thompson, but his attacks on everything made sure that everyone ignored him.
Now we have Leland Yee, a respected politician - the danger here is that politicians and judges do hear him out.
I guess you could say gamers have reached the next level in society-wide acceptance. Let's not get complacent and mess up the next level.
The Supreme Court only takes a hundred cases a year and after shooting Yee down I doubt they'll take his case again. There is no higher court and therefore nowhere for Yee to protest at. "Respected Politician" my ass. Every single judge has shut him down and this is the same senator who was caught shoplifting in Hawaii and pulled over twice on suspicion of looking for prostitutes. This guy is an idiot and he won't be re-elected after wasting millions of dollars on this shitty bill.Gunner 51 said:I think Mr Yee is by far a more respectable opponent for the gaming community than someone like Jack Thompson. (Not to mention, a whole lot more photogenic.)
Mr Yee does try to keep things professional and civil, and that's something the gaming community would do well to copy. It is good thing that Mr Yee got shot down by the Supreme Court, but acting immaturely and whooping like a bunch of rednecks isn't going to endear the gaming community to the Supreme Court next time around.
By all means, we should enjoy the victory - but we shouldn't let it go to our heads. I am sure that the opponents of gaming will try harder next time.
First they tried with Jack Thompson, but his attacks on everything made sure that everyone ignored him.
Now we have Leland Yee, a respected politician - the danger here is that politicians and judges do hear him out.
I guess you could say gamers have reached the next level in society-wide acceptance. Let's not get complacent and mess up the next level.
By the wait just for someone to clarify; is Yee a retard or just THAT sore of a loser?
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Servebot Frank:Toriver said:
It heartens me that the Supreme Court won't be hearing the case (or lack thereof) against video gaming for quite some time. Though I didn't know that Mr Yee was busted for suspicion of kerb-crawling and shoplifting. (And he looked like such a nice guy in that picture...)
Toriver:
There are indeed a lot of zealous folks who treat gaming like it were a deity. But getting carried away by our own emotions is not the way to show maturity or gain acceptance from society at large, though this rings true with a lot of issues in gaming.
Gaming has gained acceptance from the courts, but society isn't swayed as easily. A few lawyers won't change public perception, that endeavour will fall into the hands of the gamer. I can only hope that maturity will form over the next few years as the medium comes of age.
either that or spend enough of california's money to this that people will get fed up and vote a new guy inChildofGallifrey said: