Let's All Watch The Batman Trailer

[Tarkand]

I agree that it is annoying that superhero films of today are trying to what the comics did in the '90s - make everything realistic and dark - but some of them work better with this sort of treatment. Simply put I prefer the darker more realistic Batman films just like I prefered the Batman comics that had that approach. Batman just suits that sort of thing much more than, say, Spiderman.

Wait what?

So Raimi's Spider-Man were dark and gritty?
Singer's X-men were dark and gritty?
X-men Fist Class was dark and gritty?
Thor was dark and gritty?
The Incredible Hulk was dark and gritty?
Captain America?

What about Green Lantern, Superman Returns and Green Hornet... they sucked, but dark and gritty, they weren't.

And less we forget, the two darkest and grittiest movie of all time - Iron Man & Iron Man 2!

>_>

I know I'm coming off as a dick here, but Bob often takes the approach of "When will the industry understand that dark and gritty comic book movie don't work!" - but Bob seems to have blinders on and only see the Nolan Batman movie... because really, it's the only comic book movie that is both successful and dark and gritty in recent years.

I suppose if you go far back enough, you can nab Sin City, 300 and Watchman in there... but those movies were all incredibly faithful to the source material (Sin City and Watchman especially - the comic is basically the storyboard for the movie), so you really can't blame them for that.

So in short... there's 1 dark and gritty franchise left - and because of the massive success of more 4 color super hero movies, odds are those are now a dying breed...

History repeat itself. The 4 original Batman movie add similar arc... 1st one: Dark & Gritty. 2nd one: Dark & gritty but with a dash of psychosis that wasn't really welcome. 3rd one: Wacky and Zany and it sucked. 4th One: Both the wackiest and crappiest movie of all time.

So while Bob is now ecstatic at all the zaniness going about, I wonder how he'll feel in a few years when Iron Man is wearing a fluorescent glow in the dark armor with power nipples...

 

[Mr Somewhere]

I don't get the discussion that's going on here. I usually agree with Bob, but here I think his critique has fallen to snark. But, that being said... this is a trailer people, it is highly unlikely that it is in any way indicative of the quality of the film.
When have trailers ever been indicative of the quality of a film? For that matter when have trailers ever been good? (Not including classy, classic 60's Horror film trailers).

 

[BrotherRool]

I'm going to make a stand here. I am not fed up of ' 'gritty' ' films (the '' are part of the quote) and added to that, I didn't find the Dark Knight particularly gritty.

Seriously what is up with people? Why do we have to choose one and stick to it? Why can't we watch films at any time and like them if they're good, regardless of the tone of the film? Why can't both films be produced at the same time?


Also, all you people fed up of the ''gritty'' superhero movie. Since the Dark Knight how many gritty superhero movies have you seen? Cos I can think of none, compared to a swathe of mediocre to good normal superhero movies. Green Latern was not gritty, Thor was not gritty, Iron Man wasn't really gritty but that' the closest we're getting. Captain America wasn't, X-Men wasn't, Green Hornet wasn't etc... I swear this is pretty much the only one and we're cursing this decade of gloom? I'm tried of none gritty films and would like some more please (jk, but please take my point)

There have been two (oh no two?!) bits of news about gritty superhero movies and both of them have been complaints about movies that haven't even come out yet (Superman, Spiderman)

I'd like to agree with you, but there does seem to be a rather interesting undercurrent going on here.

Batman is considered the best thing for Gotham, "the hero that Gotham deserves".

I'm not really taking a side on your debate, but I'm just coming in here, because unluckily for you, you started off with something that was completely wrong and it puts a funny but unfortunate slant on your post.

The message of TDK was that Batman was the hero that Gotham deserves, because Gotham sucks. In the film, the White Knight (Dent) is portrayed as being the best thing for Gotham, the thing they need and the thing that will save them. But Gotham sucks so much they can't have the hero they need (I think it says as much in the ending monologue). He was there and they friggin' destroyed them. So instead they have Batman, the illegal vigilante who saves them through violence and fear. Even then, because he's not what Gotham needs, but what Gotham deserves, they actually choose to destroy his reputation and promote Dent's. That is how little he's the best thing for Gotham, but as the situation stands, he's the only thing.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I don't really get the argument that this is about the 99% movement. I mean, yeah Selina Kyle is no billionaire, but even in the trailer she's depicted as wearing fine dresses and pearls, and moves in the same circles as Batman himself given that she's attending one of the events he is (presumably was invited). So she's hardly your average working class, even without the whole Catwoman thing

 

[omegawyrm]

I didn't realize that a so many people seriously disliked Superman Returns. It's very much a quintessential Superman story.

 

[Hijax]

ak93]Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue. To do that, you have to
a. Kill the main character
b. Cause the main character to get shot in the spinal cord causing paralysis (which kinda didn't work for Magneto)
or c. causing a nuke to go off in Gotham killing everyone... except Bat-man.

If c happens, Batman 4: Rise of the Zombies will be awesome.

TBH, I'm way more excited for The Hobbit, but, that's me.

Actually, it seems that the movie actually starts with Bruce Wayne in recovery from having his spine broken once, so i don't see how getting shot will be a guarantee that he stays down.

 

[Mister Linton]

"Also, minor nitpick: It's just kinda wrong to see Batman using anything even remotely gun like."

You mean kinda like a grappling gun or something? That's wrong?

 

[Don quixote's mule]

Comic book movies have a reason to be ashamed of being comic book movies.

http://hollywoodhatesyou.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/batman_nips.jpg

If there is choice to stylize a movie, that style should add something to the the storytelling process. Chicago, Sucker Punch and 300 are great examples of what I mean. In these films the crazy fantastical parts contribute to the story. It is not enough to simply be entertaining.

For Comic book movies to move forward there really needs to to be some introspection on what is important to the story that is being told. Nolan really got to the core of what Batman is and he did the same for Ra's Al Ghul, Two Face, and the Joker. I have my own hopes pipe dreams and fears concerning the this installment of Nolan's Batman trilogy, but so far he has told a story that is getting better as it progresses.

 

[stang87065]

um Bob, you'd normally complain about this kind of stuff, don't do this again...I'll get the spray gun.

 

[teebeeohh]

why does bob hate bane?
i always kinda liked him because he is one of the few "brute"-archetype characters who isn't a complete idiot, he is in fact quite smart but a lot of times this gets downplayed for some reason.

 

[DrOswald]

That trailer seemed very weak to me. I am no more interested in seeing the movie now than before.

 

[tdylan]

Didn't al'Gul's cult have an earthquake machine? I seem to remember there being a plot where he intended to use such a device to make the Lazurus pits overflow and flood the earth. Either way, Bane uses it to blow up a football game. The part of me that remembers and is still bitter about my high school experience approves.

What is "everyone" calling it an earthquake machine/super powerful device? Upon seeing the trailer I simply assumed Bane placed explosives underneath the football field. Perhaps there is a subway/utility system beneath it and he blew up the support columns. The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

 

[tdylan]

01:51 So ... Batman has a plane now. Awesome. People have been calling this The Batwing, since that's what the plane from the Burton/Schumacher movies was called, but since they don't even call the Batmobile "The Batmobile" in these movies you know it'll be called something else.

Wasn't it called "the BATpod" in TDK?

Alfred: Will you be taking the batpod, sir?
Bruce: Middle of the day, Alfred? Not very subtle.
Alfred: The Lamborghini then. Much more "subtle."

 

[Stalydan]

Honestly Bob, I think you should have analysed The Hobbit trailer instead.

Woah! Woah! WOAH!

...THERE'S A HOBBIT TRAILER?!

Unbelievable. I become social active at Christmas and I miss out on this. That's it, my life is now based in Skyrim.

 

[Stalydan]

I'm amazed that people still use Apple's awful system for viewing trailers.

ak93]Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue.

And Sam Raimi didn't want to do Venom. Never underestimate the power of executive meddling.

Venom was that one part that spoiled the movie for me. The dark suit is cool but Venom could have been left for another sequel. Otherwise... I like Spider Man 3 xD It's a guilty pleasure xD

Except for dancing Peter Parker. Peter Parker should never dance.

 

[Stalydan]

Didn't al'Gul's cult have an earthquake machine? I seem to remember there being a plot where he intended to use such a device to make the Lazurus pits overflow and flood the earth. Either way, Bane uses it to blow up a football game. The part of me that remembers and is still bitter about my high school experience approves.

What is "everyone" calling it an earthquake machine/super powerful device? Upon seeing the trailer I simply assumed Bane placed explosives underneath the football field. Perhaps there is a subway/utility system beneath it and he blew up the support columns. The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

I want to know who put a subway/utility system underneath the football field xD It seems like a very inconvenient place to put it

 

[tdylan]

Not "subway," but how about if the Stadium's parking garage, or at least a part of it, was located beneath the football field? Or maybe some piping for electric, gas, and water lines. There's at the very least the piping for the field's sprinkler system running under there. And you have to be able to get access to toe for maintenance and repair somehow. So who's to say Bane simply didn't place high explosives beneath the football field?

I'm just curious as to why "earthquake machine" is the speculation rather than "implosion due to controlled demolition?"

 

[gorfias]

That trailer seemed very weak to me. I am no more interested in seeing the movie now than before.

Did you love the 2nd movie? If so, before you saw it, were the trailers inticing to you?

If you didn't love the 2nd one, then, no surprise you're not excited about this one.

I thought Nolan had really dropped the ball. His choice to play Joker seemed absurd to me. Then I saw the trailer and was hooked. Loved the movie. One of the very few I bought on Bluray.

In Nolan I trust. Both trailer have me interested. I'm thinking I'll love this one too.

 

[DrOswald]

That trailer seemed very weak to me. I am no more interested in seeing the movie now than before.

Did you love the 2nd movie? If so, before you saw it, were the trailers inticing to you?

If you didn't love the 2nd one, then, no surprise you're not excited about this one.

I thought Nolan had really dropped the ball. His choice to play Joker seemed absurd to me. Then I saw the trailer and was hooked. Loved the movie. One of the very few I bought on Bluray.

In Nolan I trust. Both trailer have me interested. I'm thinking I'll love this one too.

I didn't say I didn't want to see the movie. It is #2 most anticipated movie for me right now (just behind The Avengers) and I loved the second movie in the series, it is one of my favorite movies of all time. But the trailers for it were kind of boring. They did not leave me anymore excited than before seeing them.

I think that the problem is Nolan movies in general. They are very smart movies and that just doesn't translate well into a trailer. The best parts of The Dark Knight were not the action parts. Also, I think he is very careful not to let the trailer spoil the movie. He doesn't let any of the really important things get given away. He withholds the best parts of the movie knowing that his name alone is enough to sell the movie.

These are both points in his favor. They make for a better movie overall, but for weak trailers in the meantime.

A much better preview of The Dark Knight was the bank robbery scene that was shown months before the official release date of the film, though it was only made available to the general public a week before. That was a very interesting scene that shows exactly why Nolan movies are great but it was nothing like a traditional 2 minute trailer.

I expect the movie to be great (though I doubt it can be as good as The Dark Knight) and I can't wait to see it, but the trailer was kind of boring to me.

 

[gorfias]

That trailer seemed very weak to me. I am no more interested in seeing the movie now than before.

Did you love the 2nd movie? If so, before you saw it, were the trailers inticing to you?

If you didn't love the 2nd one, then, no surprise you're not excited about this one.

I thought Nolan had really dropped the ball. His choice to play Joker seemed absurd to me. Then I saw the trailer and was hooked. Loved the movie. One of the very few I bought on Bluray.

In Nolan I trust. Both trailer have me interested. I'm thinking I'll love this one too.

I didn't say I didn't want to see the movie. It is #2 most anticipated movie for me right now (just behind The Avengers) and I loved the second movie in the series, it is one of my favorite movies of all time. But the trailers for it were kind of boring. They did not leave me anymore excited than before seeing them.

I think that the problem is Nolan movies in general. They are very smart movies and that just doesn't translate well into a trailer. The best parts of The Dark Knight were not the action parts. Also, I think he is very careful not to let the trailer spoil the movie. He doesn't let any of the really important things get given away. He withholds the best parts of the movie knowing that his name alone is enough to sell the movie.

These are both points in his favor. They make for a better movie overall, but for weak trailers in the meantime.

A much better preview of The Dark Knight was the bank robbery scene that was shown months before the official release date of the film, though it was only made available to the general public a week before. That was a very interesting scene that shows exactly why Nolan movies are great but it was nothing like a traditional 2 minute trailer.

I expect the movie to be great (though I doubt it can be as good as The Dark Knight) and I can't wait to see it, but the trailer was kind of boring to me.

This is promising. You didn't much care for DK trailer either, and loved DK.

I have to write, first time I saw Heath Ledger's Joker in the trailer, I knew I was in for something special.

I don't expect this to be better than DK, but I am extremely excited about it. I think it will be better than Begins and possibly = DK. As long as they don't kill Batman.