LET'S (NOT) RESPECT EACH OTHER?S TASTES (OR: "THIS GAME ISN'T FOR YOU, AND THAT'S (NOT) OKAY")

[CaitSeith]

In a related topic, curiosity got the better of this woman, and she ended up as a new fan of the game.

[tweet t="https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1184859030268731393"]

Read the thread, and join me for a trip through the cognitive dissonance caused by playing an ecchi game for the very first time and loving it...

 

[CritialGaming]

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Amazing. It's almost like if you give a game a chance rather than judging it on face value, you might find something actually enjoyable behind it all.

I'm still surprised that people don't get that sometimes people like things because they are good. And even if you don't like a thing, doesn't mean somebody else can enjoy and like it for what it is.

For example, some people like Brussels Sprouts.

 

[CaitSeith]

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It's probably more important to learn that "bad game" =/= "game you shouldn't like".

 

[Silvanus]

Amazing. It's almost like if you give a game a chance rather than judging it on face value, you might find something actually enjoyable behind it all.

Well, sure, but... the game is being very up-front about its sales pitch, isn't it? It's being quite explicit that what it primarily has to offer is anime tits. That's the sales pitch.

 

[Silvanus]

Double post.

 

[CritialGaming]

Amazing. It's almost like if you give a game a chance rather than judging it on face value, you might find something actually enjoyable behind it all.

Well, sure, but... the game is being very up-front about its sales pitch, isn't it? It's being quite explicit that what it primarily has to offer is anime tits. That's the sales pitch.

Sure it has a certain theme running through it. And like you said, it's up front about it. So it's not like you could buy the game and be surprised that it's heavy on the T&A. It's like buying a 3 million scovile hot sauce and then being surprised when the shit is hot. The damn label told you what it was, why you surprised?

 

[Trunkage]

In a related topic, curiosity got the better of this guy, and he ended up as a new fan of the game.

[tweet t="https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1184859030268731393"]

Read the thread, and join me for a trip through the cognitive dissonance caused by playing an ecchi game for the very first time and loving it...

Wait, when did this famous comic book writer change sex?

 

[CaitSeith]

Amazing. It's almost like if you give a game a chance rather than judging it on face value, you might find something actually enjoyable behind it all.

Well, sure, but... the game is being very up-front about its sales pitch, isn't it? It's being quite explicit that what it primarily has to offer is anime tits. That's the sales pitch.

Sure it has a certain theme running through it. And like you said, it's up front about it. So it's not like you could buy the game and be surprised that it's heavy on the T&A. It's like buying a 3 million scovile hot sauce and then being surprised when the shit is hot. The damn label told you what it was, why you surprised?

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

 

[CaitSeith]

In a related topic, curiosity got the better of this guy, and he ended up as a new fan of the game.

[tweet t="https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1184859030268731393"]

Read the thread, and join me for a trip through the cognitive dissonance caused by playing an ecchi game for the very first time and loving it...

Wait, when did this famous comic book writer change sex?

OK. Woman. Sorry. I'm not familiarized with the names of famous comic book writers.

 

[CritialGaming]

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

I dont understand what you mean by this? Are you implying that the Mature anime titty game shouldn't be sold at Gamestop where all the other mature games are sold? Are anime tits more mature than Red Dead Redemption, GTA, or Mortal Kombat? What are you saying?

 

[CaitSeith]

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

I dont understand what you mean by this? Are you implying that the Mature anime titty game shouldn't be sold at Gamestop where all the other mature games are sold? Are anime tits more mature than Red Dead Redemption, GTA, or Mortal Kombat? What are you saying?

Don't blame me for American society being so prude that graphic violence is mainstream and lewd anime tits are niche.

 

[Avnger]

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

I dont understand what you mean by this? Are you implying that the Mature anime titty game shouldn't be sold at Gamestop where all the other mature games are sold? Are anime tits more mature than Red Dead Redemption, GTA, or Mortal Kombat? What are you saying?

[ol]
[li] The cultural taboo around hyper-sexualized content in the West (and US in particular) is well-known. In fact, it's so well-known that I have a hard time seeing your post as anything other than being offended for the sake of being offended.
[/li]
[li] RDR, GTA, and Mortal Kombat have 3 important qualities that push them beyond "mature anime titty game #675" in terms of general acceptance:
[ul]
[li] They're games first and "violence simulators" (or whatever "double-standard" you're trying to be outraged about in your post) second while matg #675 is, generally, a softcore porn simulator first and a game second.
[/li]
[li]They have massive advertising campaigns and/or pre-baked-in cultural acceptance from previous iterations.
[/li]
[li]They're high-quality productions published and/or developed by brand-name companies.
[/li][/ul][/li][/ol]

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

tldr of this thread:

Fans of ecchi games have a severe persecution complex

Why a persecution complex and not just merely being perverts?

 

[I can't enter my old name]

Critics don't have to respect audiences, and audiences don't have to respect critics. Everything works out in the end.

Everyone has shit taste. If you don't have shit taste, you're forming your opinions off of the general consensus of other people, which is even worse than having shit taste.

 

[Silvanus]

Sure it has a certain theme running through it. And like you said, it's up front about it. So it's not like you could buy the game and be surprised that it's heavy on the T&A. It's like buying a 3 million scovile hot sauce and then being surprised when the shit is hot. The damn label told you what it was, why you surprised?

Who's surprised? I'm saying its puerile, not that its surprising.

 

[CritialGaming]

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

I dont understand what you mean by this? Are you implying that the Mature anime titty game shouldn't be sold at Gamestop where all the other mature games are sold? Are anime tits more mature than Red Dead Redemption, GTA, or Mortal Kombat? What are you saying?

[ol]
[li] The cultural taboo around hyper-sexualized content in the West (and US in particular) is well-known. In fact, it's so well-known that I have a hard time seeing your post as anything other than being offended for the sake of being offended.
[/li]
[li] RDR, GTA, and Mortal Kombat have 3 important qualities that push them beyond "mature anime titty game #675" in terms of general acceptance:
[ul]
[li] They're games first and "violence simulators" (or whatever "double-standard" you're trying to be outraged about in your post) second while matg #675 is, generally, a softcore porn simulator first and a game second.
[/li]
[li]They have massive advertising campaigns and/or pre-baked-in cultural acceptance from previous iterations.
[/li]
[li]They're high-quality productions published and/or developed by brand-name companies.
[/li][/ul][/li][/ol]

1. I'm not offended, I just didn't understand the meaning to the original statement.

2. This makes no sense. Graphic violence is okay because the games are good? This all started because the person on twitter bought what they assumed would be a shallow titty anime game and ended up having a lot of fun with it, thus making it a good game. Any game that you have fun with is by default a good game (at least to you) right? Sure you might like a faulty game, but that doesn't mean the game is bad. For example if you have fun playing Fallout 76 or Anthem, they are good games to you.

You can say games like GTA, RDR, etc are games first but the aren't marketed that way. Mortal Kombat is marketed around the fatality system, not the greatness of the fighting engine. So to say they are advertises as games first and violence second is simply not true.

The point I'm making is that just cause a game is based around anime tits, or graphic violence, or felonious activity, doesn't mean it can't be a wonderfully valid gaming experience. As Gail found out after giving the anime boob game a chance. That's all I'm saying.

Neither kind of game is more valid than the other.

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

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Amazing. It's almost like if you give a game a chance rather than judging it on face value, you might find something actually enjoyable behind it all.

I'm still surprised that people don't get that sometimes people like things because they are good. And even if you don't like a thing, doesn't mean somebody else can enjoy and like it for what it is.

For example, some people like Brussels Sprouts.

Would the opinion change if the industry had a drought of good games and we had was matgs being localized?

Because my memories of the bad old days is very much a fresh memory that no one with taste should relive

 

[McElroy]

Seems to me she: 1) played it without being critical of it at every possible turn and 2) likes the framing of some of the story.

It's like you can enjoy a run through of a David Cage game if you just don't think about it much. People can enjoy ridiculous stuff even if that stuff is crap. I'll admit it's a bit annoying when enjoying things get to arguments -- I have a tendency to do that too -- there really are two kinds of people in that regard. It can also be liberating when you realize you don't have to find good arguments for why something bad is "actually good because I enjoy it" and instead just enjoy it while it's bad.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

I like how this topic became "people discover this thing called 'fun' and they like it".

I mean. There is a spectrum, true, but it seems the cover doesn't reflect well where it is (otherwise probably it wouldn't be at Gamestop among the less lewd anime Switch games).

I dont understand what you mean by this? Are you implying that the Mature anime titty game shouldn't be sold at Gamestop where all the other mature games are sold? Are anime tits more mature than Red Dead Redemption, GTA, or Mortal Kombat? What are you saying?

[ol]
[li] The cultural taboo around hyper-sexualized content in the West (and US in particular) is well-known. In fact, it's so well-known that I have a hard time seeing your post as anything other than being offended for the sake of being offended.
[/li]
[li] RDR, GTA, and Mortal Kombat have 3 important qualities that push them beyond "mature anime titty game #675" in terms of general acceptance:
[ul]
[li] They're games first and "violence simulators" (or whatever "double-standard" you're trying to be outraged about in your post) second while matg #675 is, generally, a softcore porn simulator first and a game second.
[/li]
[li]They have massive advertising campaigns and/or pre-baked-in cultural acceptance from previous iterations.
[/li]
[li]They're high-quality productions published and/or developed by brand-name companies.
[/li][/ul][/li][/ol]

1. I'm not offended, I just didn't understand the meaning to the original statement.

2. This makes no sense. Graphic violence is okay because the games are good? This all started because the person on twitter bought what they assumed would be a shallow titty anime game and ended up having a lot of fun with it, thus making it a good game. Any game that you have fun with is by default a good game (at least to you) right? Sure you might like a faulty game, but that doesn't mean the game is bad. For example if you have fun playing Fallout 76 or Anthem, they are good games to you.

You can say games like GTA, RDR, etc are games first but the aren't marketed that way. Mortal Kombat is marketed around the fatality system, not the greatness of the fighting engine. So to say they are advertises as games first and violence second is simply not true.

The point I'm making is that just cause a game is based around anime tits, or graphic violence, or felonious activity, doesn't mean it can't be a wonderfully valid gaming experience. As Gail found out after giving the anime boob game a chance. That's all I'm saying.

Neither kind of game is more valid than the other.

The irony here is that when you do have someone have those elements, such as for example the hentai artist Zone working in Indivisible and putting his pornsona in the game as a merchant that sells you "odd smelling 'scrum'" (this is a real thing), you get people complaining about "brand name companies" including such people in their games and make comments along the lines of "can you not put your porn character from your porn in your not-porn videogame that's otherwise excellent".

Nobody can say that Indivisible is low quality and it's made by the Skullgirls people who are a loved brand and while the budget is not gonna be like that of something like MK it's still doing good overall.


Yet, people will still complain about those elements despite all those factors being met. And Indivisible isn't even all that suggestive, it just has a character from things that are as an easter egg. Imagine if it actually was. Something tells me people wouldn't be suddenly any more accepting of it. If anything, it being established and of high quality would work against it like how it did for Dragon's Crown for example.

 

[CritialGaming]

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I sometimes wonder if it just becomes nit picking at that point.

"Oh this game is amazing....if only it didn't have this terrible porno character/theme/whatever." Somebody finds everything about the game to be great, except the fanservice part. And while that's a valid opinion, it doesn't mean the game should be crucified because of it. And if someone wants to be that shallow about it, then okay, the only person they hurt is themselves by not letting them experience something that they could otherwise enjoy due to some misunderstood viewpoint.