Let's revive the WWII genre

[thethingthatlurks]

Ugh...and have more unquestionably heroic american GIs mow down german and japanese soldiers by the truckload in some pathetically unrealistic way that will make the average uneducated/retarded gamer think that there was some sort of glory to be found in that war that happened exactly as portrayed in the bloody game. Thanks, but no thanks. The only ww2 game I actually enjoyed was Battlefield 1942, and that was only because the multiplayer allowed for so many vehicles in addition to the forced teamplay.

Here's a ww2 game I would actually play:
First, you pick your country. You are a lowly private in the army of the country you chose. You go through basic training, becoming familiar with equipment and choosing a specialty. The war breaks out, and you fight on the frontlines. The combat is realistic, one hit and you're out, and your story will be over. You are only a single soldier, so your actions will not decide the fate of a battle, but you will be able to protect your comrades. The idea is not to win, but to survive, to go on and continue to fight. You will see the major battles your company has historically been involved in, which will increase replay value. The war will end accurately, and you will not be the one to raise the red flag over the Reichstag, or pilot the Enola Gay. You are a nobody, and your epilog will tell the tale of this nameless soldier, how many of his comrades lived, whether he faced trail for war crimes, whether he died of wounds, or whether he became a hero. The idea is to show that there are no heroes in war, just soldiers following orders.

In World War 2 464 people received the Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States. So there are heroes in war. And what's wrong with playing as the pilot of the Enola Gay?

How is killing anybody a hero? Besides, the same could be said about Iron Cross recipients, so your point is entirely moot. And playing as a "hero" would completely undermine the point of my hypothetical game: there is no glory in war. The point is simple: you are not the stereotypical Hollywood soldier. You are no hero, you won't do anything important. You are a soldier, you follow orders, and you try to survive. That's it.

great now you got me hooked on a game that probably wont happen thank you very much

You're welcome

 

[JET1971]

For some reason people dislike WWII shooters. I never understood why. Many tell me that there are way to many out there all ready, and that they are boring. Really?

They are not boring in nature, they are too many in numbers. WWII is done to death in games. so is Vietnam and "modern" shooters. Where is WWI? or the Korean war? better yet is where is all the top AAA titles that have nothing to do with history or "modern"? we have a few select top titles that are currently modern in genre, and all the fantasy/scifi titles are like AA compared(Halo was supposedy dropped form having anymore sequals so it doesnt count now, if the supposed wasnt ture and more sequals OTW then i have allot of rewriting...).

 

[artanis_neravar]

How is killing anybody a hero? Besides, the same could be said about Iron Cross recipients, so your point is entirely moot. And playing as a "hero" would completely undermine the point of my hypothetical game: there is no glory in war. The point is simple: you are not the stereotypical Hollywood soldier. You are no hero, you won't do anything important. You are a soldier, you follow orders, and you try to survive. That's it.

It's not that they killed people, what makes them heroes is they risked their own lives to save the lives of their fellow soldiers. Hell the soldiers that can come back home after doing what they had to do to survive over there and still live normal lives, those people are also heroes.

 

[Scissors61]

Ugh.

Must SOME war always be the inspiration for 90% of the FPS genre?

 

[LobsterFeng]

Now this is just me, but I always thought that there should be a survival horror set in WWII (no not nazi zombies) Not sure entirely how it would work, but like a paratrooper totally misses his mark and lands in somewhere where some creepy stuff is going down.

Which is either Wolfenstein or Nazi zombies.
That's strange because you didn't want to refer to nazi zombies.

Wow I totally forgot about Wolfenstein. Never mind then I guess it has been done.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

How bout a game where you are NOT an American, like being a member of the Afrika Corps or a tank commander at the Battle of Kursk. World War 2 started over 2 years before Pearl Harbour and there are allot of groups and battles to focus on, from the French Resistance to the St Nazaire Raid.

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[infohippie]

Yeah, let's not, eh? WW2 has been done to death.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

How is killing anybody a hero? Besides, the same could be said about Iron Cross recipients, so your point is entirely moot. And playing as a "hero" would completely undermine the point of my hypothetical game: there is no glory in war. The point is simple: you are not the stereotypical Hollywood soldier. You are no hero, you won't do anything important. You are a soldier, you follow orders, and you try to survive. That's it.

It's not that they killed people, what makes them heroes is they risked their own lives to save the lives of their fellow soldiers. Hell the soldiers that can come back home after doing what they had to do to survive over there and still live normal lives, those people are also heroes.

Sorry, I just find that quite comical. No soldier is ever worth any admiration, at least in my opinion. I am so bloody sick of movies and games portraying vainglorious imbeciles who end up in the military (presumably for lack of other options) as some sort of paragon of whatever nation they happen to belong to (America, usually). It bores me to death, and I hate the mentality that war is ever good for anything other than thinning out the working class. I'm pretty sure you won't agree, and that's fine. I just wanted to write out the roughest of outlines for what I would want to see in a ww2 game that wouldn't put me to sleep.

 

[artanis_neravar]

How is killing anybody a hero? Besides, the same could be said about Iron Cross recipients, so your point is entirely moot. And playing as a "hero" would completely undermine the point of my hypothetical game: there is no glory in war. The point is simple: you are not the stereotypical Hollywood soldier. You are no hero, you won't do anything important. You are a soldier, you follow orders, and you try to survive. That's it.

It's not that they killed people, what makes them heroes is they risked their own lives to save the lives of their fellow soldiers. Hell the soldiers that can come back home after doing what they had to do to survive over there and still live normal lives, those people are also heroes.

Sorry, I just find that quite comical. No soldier is ever worth any admiration, at least in my opinion. I am so bloody sick of movies and games portraying vainglorious imbeciles who end up in the military (presumably for lack of other options) as some sort of paragon of whatever nation they happen to belong to (America, usually). It bores me to death, and I hate the mentality that war is ever good for anything other than thinning out the working class. I'm pretty sure you won't agree, and that's fine. I just wanted to write out the roughest of outlines for what I would want to see in a ww2 game that wouldn't put me to sleep.

You are right I don't agree with your view on soldiers, but I have no intention of arguing then fact. However, your game does seem interesting.

 

[Warforger]

How about you play as part of the Polish army fighting to prevent the German Invasion

You did in CoD 3 IIRC, other then that ha ha ha ha! The campaign would last like 30 minutes.

 

[artanis_neravar]

How about you play as part of the Polish army fighting to prevent the German Invasion

You did in CoD 3 IIRC, other then that ha ha ha ha! The campaign would last like 30 minutes.

Yep that's the joke

 

[Bat Vader]

One of the reasons I dislike WWII shooters is because nothing is really changed in what we do. The characters we play as take place in some of the battles but they don't affect the outcome of the war or the world around them. It is like KOTOR or the upcoming Bioware MMO The Old Republic. We can make choices and some of those choices affect our characters but in the end we all know what happens.

 

[hailfire]

let's not. it's been done.

 

[internetzealot1]

As long as you add Nazi science.

 

[Wintermute_]

No more wwII. it is overdone! face there are an abundance of WWII games! america is freakin obsessed with WWII (maybe because its the last war we actually won...) and are they really that interesting?
I would much rather see developers devote time and talent and money to creating something original, more imaginative. I want another Okami! (not a sequel or anything involving that game, I just mean the refreshing originality and inventive story/art/gameplay)

There's only so many ways to tell the same story, so unless there is some alternate history plot line coupled into the story, where it deviats from your standard nazi killing SOMEHOW.

SO no. no more time and money should be spent beating a dead horse when it could be making the next portal or Bulletstorm (which I found insanely fun and had decent story)

 

[Reaper195]

For some reason people dislike WWII shooters. I never understood why. Many tell me that there are way to many out there all ready, and that they are boring. Really?

Boring? No. I friggin' loved World At War. Many of them? Yes. There are a hell of a lot of WWII games. And it's not even the fact that there are too many games based in WWII, it's just that there are way too many WWII games that make you play as Americans and beat the Nazi's. Give me a game that has me play as a British soldier from 39 to 43, hell yes. But I am sick and tired of seeing the goddamn american flag on top of too many Nazi buildings in WWII games.

better yet, why not go into the future and make an awesome war game set a dozen years later? Maybe create some future politics. China and Japan fued it out, they both loose, Vietnam takes over and turns all three countries into Okinowika.....? Sorry, I also want more originality in video games. Not sequel after goddamn sequel.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Hell maybe we need a change of perspective. How about this time your a German soldier, after you participate in some battles you're choosen to join the SS (not the branches that were involved with the concentration camps). You fight in even more battles, but both you and your commanding officers know you are losing the war due to Hitler's insanity. Eventually you are sent to the camps to keep them running for as long as possible, you character is horrifiyed. This is near the wars end and after seeing there is no hope for your country and that it has commited horrible crimes you head into one of the bunkers. You create your suicide note, place it down, get on a chair, put the noose around your neck and hang yourself. For all those final steps the player has to click buttons, which bring up flashbacks everytime, at the final button, you character kicks the chair down you hear your neck snap and the screen fades to black.

Just my idea.

 

[Chrinik]

Here's one for a twist. How about where you play as a nazi? Can't think of any games off hand that have you playing as the bad guys.

Battlefield has you play both sides, Red Orchestra has you play as a Wehrmacht soldier, in Sniper Elite you play an american (?) special operative that officially works FOR the germans killing soviets (you wear a german uniform and all)...

BUT I dislike playing as a Nazi...I would rather like playing as a german, thank you very much.
YES, there IS a difference, it is significant!

 

[Chrinik]

In World War 2 464 people received the Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States. So there are heroes in war. And what's wrong with playing as the pilot of the Enola Gay?

Alot of people got the Iron Cross for exactly the same stuff. Alot of people got SHOT for their bravery, stepping up against injustice and stuff.
Out of these 464 people, tell me, how many were awarded POST MORTEM...how many SURVIVED the war...
I know of one guy (who was featured in Brothers in Arms) who recieved the medal of honor, but died months later from a lethal overdose of german lead.
Also, how many of these people KILLED to become heros...how many did they kill?

Being a hero is subjective, one mans hero can be another mans devil...I guess the families of the killed soldiers congratulated them for their medal of honor, because one countries politics decided it didn´t like the other ones, so let´s kill a bunch of young men to settle the dispute. War doesn´t make you a hero...you kill for reasons that are not your own, you fight people you CAN NOT have anything against, because you don´t know them. You kill fathers, sons, daughters and mothers, you kill people that might be exactly like you, exept they live in the wrong country under the wrong leader...is that a crime?
Enemy of the United States...but not yours, and not them.
That´s what I dislike most about war...a handfull of people decide the fate of millions.

The medal of honor, iron cross, victorian cross or "hero of the soviet union" doesn´t make you a hero, you are still a soldier, and there are no heroes in war, because what you did up to that point was probably very unheroic. Oscar Schindler, now that was a hero...where is his medal?
Oh wait, he got a movie...and he wasn´t all that heroic anyway, he just did what he thought was right, after he realized that his way and actions were wrong.

And I want to see a game about that...I want to see a game that doesn´t begin with the mission briefing.
I want a game that keeps on going. You go to the barracks, you chat with comrades, you sleep, you wake up, you rally, you get a "rousing speech" from your commander. You may get a medal for actions you did, which then flash back in a gruesome way. You can then chat with your comrades again, or do fuck all. You then board a truck and get send to the next battle...all in real time, controllable. You get to play as an insignificant person, who reflects his actions realistically and critically. You might start with glorious thoughts of heroism, but then you cover behind a czech hedghog on D-Day and see all your buddies from basic training (which you also played), die horribly. You might make it on the other side of the beach. You might breach the walls. You go into the bunkers. You kill people who intend to kill you. You hear them faintly call for their loved ones before they die. They might even be alive for a few seconds, grab your hand, look you into the eye, give you a photograph or a live handgrenade, smile and then die. I want to see a game where you aren´t the unstoppable badass super GI who "bandages themselfes up with the stars and stripes and insists on going on for the sheer bloody minded brovado!". I want to play a human for once, I want to play against humans. I want a war-shooter which boldly tells be in the face "all that you do is wrong and shameful!", yet your comrades and superiors still congratulate you, and the latter might thank you with a promotion and a subsequent stop at the next battle, without R&R inbetween, because that battle is just too important, and they need everyone they can get...
You then start to fight against sleep deprevation, hunger, thirst. You nip on your bottle in a trench somewhere. You hear bullets whiz by, you kill a few more guys with different colored uniforms, but now they are far away and you can´t see their fear, you cannot hear their whispers.
You might then roam the land and are ordered to kill survivors. You see crippled men who beg for you in broken english to get a medic, because they don´t want to die.
Maybe you even have the option to help them, but have to find a damn good reason so that one of your comrades doesn´t just shoot him for you.
Maybe there could be a scene where you are trapped with a single german soldier. You both get disarmed, have a fistfight. Then you stop from exhaustion, he offers you a smoke and then tells you, in pretty good english, that he studied in harvard...

These are just examples, they would make for both a very gripping movie, of which there are plenty, or a pretty good game.

 

[lordmardok]

no