I'm sorry if I mistook your straight-talk for sarcasm, it's near impossible to tell over text. I know I've fallen into that trap more times than once myself, so I should be more aware of it. You shouldn't crave my approval though, or anyone else's for that matter. If a stranger approached you on the street and told you that you're perfect, that wouldn't make you happy. The opinion that matters the most is your own, so you just have to bring yourself around to that way of thinking. Seeking the validation of others is a fools errand, I know because I've spent enough years doing it.mip0 said:No, please, there's no sarcasm. Of course, I could be sarcastic even when I say that. It's impossible to tell whether I'm sarcastic or not. Maybe I've been laughing this whole time, at how people take this seriously while I don't care at all. But it's not like that! I can't give you anything but my word. There's is no sarcasm! It's possible that I'm not being as grateful as I should be. I should listen to you now. If you say I'm being vindictive then that's probably true, it wouldn't surprise me. It's not my intention, though. I'm sorry! Since this is a forum, I have time to think before I respond, so I should. I could have just said "yeah, yeah, I'm a bad person, I know, bye bye forever.." but I didn't because I want your approval. I know I should be careful not to open myself completely on the internet, but this has been more than interesting reading. It's been really helpful. Secret option 3 sounds healthy, sustainable, reasonable. I'll try to try it, at least.Mossberg Shotty said:You weren't fishing for compliments, at least that's not how it came across to me, but you're welcome. I think philosophy serves many purposes, just because our ability to change ourselves are limited (that's my philosophical opinion) doesn't mean it's only good for law-making.mip0 said:(...)Mossberg Shotty said:(...)
When I said neither seems appealing, naturally I was just talking from my point of view. No matter who you are, you can't please everyone. But I think I've struck a nice balance, the people I like seem to like me back and the people who don't I've managed to stop caring about that. Maybe you could do the same? We'll call it 'secret option 3'.
You don't seem like an unlikeable person, though I can't possibly know for sure, but I do have a hard time following you train of thought. Like that last statement, I don't know what you mean by that.
EDIT: Wait, let me scratch that. After reading through the entire thread, really all I see is you being sarcastic and vindictive towards the people who are trying to offer you advice. Which you asked for. How are you any different than the people you're condemning? If you were in front of me right now, I would be giving you the look of disapproval that you so fear.
About those two lines: "It's time for excuses and apologies. That's enough." and "Time to explain myself. Satisfied."
You shouldn't have had to read them. It was very disrespectful of me to include them. They're neither useful nor interesting. It's just that, sometimes I feel the need to make excuses, apologies or to explain myself but the most important part, for me, is that you know that I know that excuses, apologies and explanations are required. That's why I was satisfied with just saying "Time to explain myself.".
Despite these misunderstandings, you're good at understanding what I'm saying. Sometimes it's takes long before I get to the point. Listening to me requires patience because I speak as if everyone has all the time in the world to listen to me. I'm glad you've been patient enough. Thanks!
There's a quote by Ludwig Wittgenstein about misunderstandings. He basically says that misunderstandings has been in the way of human development, more so than wars or diseases. He's really good with words, though, and it would be great if I could find the original translation. Do you know of it?
About the lines I didn't understand, I didn't take them to mean anything offensive or anything like that, I was just a bit confused. I use cryptic language all the time, so I'm guilty of the same thing. But I get what you're saying now, making excuses is just human nature.
It's funny you should mention that, because patience is something I've never really been good at, and I should work on it. I obviously should've used a bit more when I was talking earlier. But hey, we're all far from perfect, so hopefully that can be overlooked. When it comes to becoming a better person, there's hope for us all. The only reason I even recognize this kind of behavior is because I spent years doing the same thing myself.
No, it doesn't ring a bell. The only Ludwig Wittgenstein quote I'm familiar with is about language. Something like "Language is part of our organism, and no less complicated." I believe. Still, seems strangely relevant.