Lightsabers and Colour

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

I'm not sure that I'd wany one but I'd like to see a black lightsaber... does that make sense to have a saber made from black light? Wait, why do I care?

I'm going to go with green.

Black sabers are a thing. If I've got my history correct, they're Rakattan prototypes to Lightsabers.

This one's actually canon, because it appeared in the Clone Wars tv show.

Ha! Right as I post talking about it! Cheers mate!

 

[Kolby Jack]

I personally would love it if there was someway to get a "Black" Light-saber, kinda in Teen Titans when they outline Raven while she uses her powers.
If there was some way to create something like that, I'd be all over that son of a *****.

Outside of that, I'd either go with Gold or White.

Look earlier in the thread, it exists. It's called a "protosaber" and was an early model of Lightsaber used a very long time ago. It's canon too, since the leader of the Mandalorian Death Watch used one to duel Obi-Wan in an episode of the Clone Wars. He got his ass kicked, because a non-force user really doesn't stand a chance against a Jedi Master in a lightsaber fight, but he held his own briefly before resorting to other means of attack.

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

Look earlier in the thread, it exists. It's called a "protosaber" and was an early model of Lightsaber used a very long time ago. It's canon too, since the leader of the Mandalorian Death Watch used one to duel Obi-Wan in an episode of the Clone Wars. He got his ass kicked, because a non-force user really doesn't stand a chance against a Jedi Master in a lightsaber fight, but he held his own briefly before resorting to other means of attack.

Aye, I only saw after I had posted ^^;

Still, I rather like that design, it just stands out in the light show and it was always something I wanted to see.
Thanks man

 

[RealRT]

Hey guys...

So I don't get to see the new Solar Skirmish film until the 22nd but I'm being bombarded by the associated media.

Made me think about Lightsabers. And colours.

So.

What's your favorite colour?

What colour would your lightsaber be?

Its the bare minimum of a thread but all my friends are going on about lightsabers right now so there you go.

I'm bland as fuck, so I prefer blue. Or grey. I don't like green sabers at all though.

 

[silver wolf009]

What's all the hate for Grey Jedi going in here? A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't follow the council or the order's commands/proclamations. They're not some kind of wishy washy can use the Dark Side cheater's option. They just don't go with the group sometimes.

As for what I'd use, I'd probably go with a silver blade, and copy Exar Kun's short hilted double bladed lightsaber. Tricky tricky man that he was came up with a tricky tricky lightsaber to match.

It's like being a philandering monk. "Oh, I'm totally into meditation and self-discipline and all that jazz, but pussy is pussy, man! I don't believe..." No, the whole point of being a Jedi is making personal sacrifice; else, you fall to the dark side.

Those are the mechanics of the universe. Jedi training without strict discipline leads to the dark side. Either accept that, or just forget about being a cool space samurai with a silver lightsaber. Be Han Solo or something.

I'd go green and single. If it's good enough for Space Jesus Luke, what type of tosser would I be trying to get a special black/gold/invisible dual-wielding shit like I'm some total badass? I'm sure they'd kick you out of training for peacocking like that.

See that kind of moral absolutism is exactly what drives people in universe to call the Jedi out for what is, quite honestly, talking out their asses. You can not fall while not being a Jedi, either because you left the Order or never joined in the first place.

Being a Jedi isn't the same thing as being a morally upstanding person, and you can be either two without being the other.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Completely disagree. The Sith established the rule of two for a reason: they were their own worst enemy. Large amounts of Sith only end up fighting each other AND the Jedi, which is partly why the Jedi always win. In every shown conflict between the Jedi and the Sith in the canon and Legends, the Sith are always the instigators. They attack, they collapse, they lose, they retreat, only to come back some time later and attack again. Even within the rule of two, it's expected that the apprentice will try and kill the master. The Jedi meanwhile only REACT to the Sith. They react swiftly and strongly, but they still only react.

I see where you're coming from but still think it's more than being a reactionary force. The Sith are their own worst enemy but not to the extent of wiping themselves out (from memory, they usually just have extraordinarily bad timing when they try and launch coups DURING an ongoing war), the Jedi do make an effort once a Sith threat is known to make sure it's wiped out as much as possible. I'm a little scared to check Wookieepedia until I've seen a certain movie but I'm 99% certain the Jedi aren't purely reactionary in this.

And the idea that "balance" means an equal number of light and dark force users is just silly. Nothing in the franchise has ever supported that claim, and it's just dumb to think something as mystical and mysterious as the force would come down to first grade math. The force exists in ALL living beings in the Galaxy, why do only the Jedi and Sith factor in to the balance?

With respect, what else could you interpret balance to mean? An over-abundance of Light? Sincerely, as a question, what do you imagine bringing balance to the force entails?

The Jedi and Sith aren't the only factor but they are greater than normal quantities as they always lean strongly one way or the other. And it looks like, this is from memory again, whenever there's an over-abundance of one, the other always makes a return. The Old Republic brought about Revan and Malak, the New Republic brought Sidious and his various apprentices who did manage to re-assert the Dark Side. Hell, when the Empire was ruling, Luke did REMARKABLY well given how little training he had.

This is just an observation and a theory (and on a meta-level, you do need both sides for there to be a story so this is hardly a perfect stand point) but it does seem to gel with the whole 'Vader will bring balance to the Force' thing.

 

[Kajin]

I'd like to get the deepest, darkest green I possibly could.

 

[Compatriot Block]

What's all the hate for Grey Jedi going in here? A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't follow the council or the order's commands/proclamations. They're not some kind of wishy washy can use the Dark Side cheater's option. They just don't go with the group sometimes.

As for what I'd use, I'd probably go with a silver blade, and copy Exar Kun's short hilted double bladed lightsaber. Tricky tricky man that he was came up with a tricky tricky lightsaber to match.

It's like being a philandering monk. "Oh, I'm totally into meditation and self-discipline and all that jazz, but pussy is pussy, man! I don't believe..." No, the whole point of being a Jedi is making personal sacrifice; else, you fall to the dark side.

Those are the mechanics of the universe. Jedi training without strict discipline leads to the dark side. Either accept that, or just forget about being a cool space samurai with a silver lightsaber. Be Han Solo or something.

I'd go green and single. If it's good enough for Space Jesus Luke, what type of tosser would I be trying to get a special black/gold/invisible dual-wielding shit like I'm some total badass? I'm sure they'd kick you out of training for peacocking like that.

See that kind of moral absolutism is exactly what drives people in universe to call the Jedi out for what is, quite honestly, talking out their asses. You can not fall while not being a Jedi, either because you left the Order or never joined in the first place.

Being a Jedi isn't the same thing as being a morally upstanding person, and you can be either two without being the other.

Moral absolutism is a little different in a universe where using certain powers is demonstrably corrupting. It's not like they set up arbitrary rules. They can look at thousands of examples that say "using the dark side will corrupt you physically and mentally, and make you evil."

As a matter of fact, I think the statement I keep seeing, that "if I were a force user, I would use whatever powers I want but still do the right thing" is probably one of the first thoughts of literally every fallen Jedi.

I'd agree with you if there weren't tangible, magic, evil bullshit involved in the dark side, but I think it's safe to say that the Jedi practice strict self-denial for a very good reason.

And the idea that "balance" means an equal number of light and dark force users is just silly. Nothing in the franchise has ever supported that claim, and it's just dumb to think something as mystical and mysterious as the force would come down to first grade math. The force exists in ALL living beings in the Galaxy, why do only the Jedi and Sith factor in to the balance?

With respect, what else could you interpret balance to mean? An over-abundance of Light? Sincerely, as a question, what do you imagine bringing balance to the force entails?

The Jedi and Sith aren't the only factor but they are greater than normal quantities as they always lean strongly one way or the other. And it looks like, this is from memory again, whenever there's an over-abundance of one, the other always makes a return. The Old Republic brought about Revan and Malak, the New Republic brought Sidious and his various apprentices who did manage to re-assert the Dark Side. Hell, when the Empire was ruling, Luke did REMARKABLY well given how little training he had.

This is just an observation and a theory (and on a meta-level, you do need both sides for there to be a story so this is hardly a perfect stand point) but it does seem to gel with the whole 'Vader will bring balance to the Force' thing.

I am pretty sure that balance means "health" or "peace" here. Not like a scale that can be too heavy on one side, but more of a spiritual kind. Considering particularly powerful dark side users are sometimes called a "wound" in the force, that's how I interpret it. It doesn't make sense that the ideal state of the universal spiritual force involves a faction that so often wants to destroy or subjugate everything.

 

[RealRT]

I'm not sure that I'd wany one but I'd like to see a black lightsaber... does that make sense to have a saber made from black light? Wait, why do I care?

I'm going to go with green.

Black sabers are a thing. If I've got my history correct, they're Rakattan prototypes to Lightsabers.

This one's actually canon, because it appeared in the Clone Wars tv show.

If we're only going by canon material, the Darksaber is unique and its origins are unknown.

 

[Dazzle Novak]

What's all the hate for Grey Jedi going in here? A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't follow the council or the order's commands/proclamations. They're not some kind of wishy washy can use the Dark Side cheater's option. They just don't go with the group sometimes.

As for what I'd use, I'd probably go with a silver blade, and copy Exar Kun's short hilted double bladed lightsaber. Tricky tricky man that he was came up with a tricky tricky lightsaber to match.

It's like being a philandering monk. "Oh, I'm totally into meditation and self-discipline and all that jazz, but pussy is pussy, man! I don't believe..." No, the whole point of being a Jedi is making personal sacrifice; else, you fall to the dark side.

Those are the mechanics of the universe. Jedi training without strict discipline leads to the dark side. Either accept that, or just forget about being a cool space samurai with a silver lightsaber. Be Han Solo or something.

I'd go green and single. If it's good enough for Space Jesus Luke, what type of tosser would I be trying to get a special black/gold/invisible dual-wielding shit like I'm some total badass? I'm sure they'd kick you out of training for peacocking like that.

See that kind of moral absolutism is exactly what drives people in universe to call the Jedi out for what is, quite honestly, talking out their asses. You can not fall while not being a Jedi, either because you left the Order or never joined in the first place.

Being a Jedi isn't the same thing as being a morally upstanding person, and you can be either two without being the other.

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about a universe where the two most wise and sympathetic force-users (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both insist emotion leads to the dark side and good ol' boy Space Jesus Luke is almost seduced after he does the whole "follows your heart/ own moral compass" thing and rescues his friends rather than complete his training like instructed.

Knowing all of this, what would make you believe you're onto some secret balance regarding basic human compassion and Jedi power that Obi, Yoda, and Luke are not? What would make you so innately good and resistant while they had to wrestle with Jedi bulshit their entire lives?

Of course the real world isn't Manichean, but we're not discussing the real world. We're discussing a fantasy universe where there's only two paths to wielding the force. It's a rule built into the canon.

 

[Trooper924]

I'm staunch traditionalist: straight green all the way. And just a single, regular lightsaber too. None of this dual-wielding crap or fancy-dancy quadruple-bladed lightsaber/battle-axe with a compass built into the hilt for me.

 

[RealRT]

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about a universe where the two most wise and sympathetic force-users (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both insist emotion leads to the dark side and good ol' boy Space Jesus Luke is almost seduced after he does the whole "follows your heart/ own moral compass" thing and rescues his friends rather than complete his training like instructed.

Knowing all of this, what would make you believe you're onto some secret balance regarding basic human compassion and Jedi power that Obi, Yoda, and Luke are not? What would make you so innately good and resistant while they had to wrestle with Jedi bulshit their entire lives?

Of course the real world isn't Manichean, but we're not discussing the real world. We're discussing a fantasy universe where there's only two paths to wielding the force. It's a rule built into the canon.

Here's a thing though: Obi-Wan and Yoda? They were wrong. They were singing the same tired lyric "You have to kill Vader" throughout all of ROTS, but Luke proved them wrong by appealing to Vader's love. The whole moral of Vader's story is that emotions are capable of both corrupting and redeeming a person.

 

[Compatriot Block]

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about a universe where the two most wise and sympathetic force-users (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both insist emotion leads to the dark side and good ol' boy Space Jesus Luke is almost seduced after he does the whole "follows your heart/ own moral compass" thing and rescues his friends rather than complete his training like instructed.

Knowing all of this, what would make you believe you're onto some secret balance regarding basic human compassion and Jedi power that Obi, Yoda, and Luke are not? What would make you so innately good and resistant while they had to wrestle with Jedi bulshit their entire lives?

Of course the real world isn't Manichean, but we're not discussing the real world. We're discussing a fantasy universe where there's only two paths to wielding the force. It's a rule built into the canon.

Here's a thing though: Obi-Wan and Yoda? They were wrong. They were singing the same tired lyric "You have to kill Vader" throughout all of ROTS, but Luke proved them wrong by appealing to Vader's love. The whole moral of Vader's story is that emotions are capable of both corrupting and redeeming a person.

In the same way that Obi-Wan said that Vader "killed" Anakin, redeeming him can be interpreted as "destroying" Vader and bringing Anakin back. That may not be an answer that you personally accept, but it'd be consistent with Obi-Wan's point of view at least.

Also, I don't remember Yoda ever encouraging a direct showdown with Vader, let alone killing him. Maybe I've just forgotten though.

 

[silver wolf009]

What's all the hate for Grey Jedi going in here? A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't follow the council or the order's commands/proclamations. They're not some kind of wishy washy can use the Dark Side cheater's option. They just don't go with the group sometimes.

As for what I'd use, I'd probably go with a silver blade, and copy Exar Kun's short hilted double bladed lightsaber. Tricky tricky man that he was came up with a tricky tricky lightsaber to match.

It's like being a philandering monk. "Oh, I'm totally into meditation and self-discipline and all that jazz, but pussy is pussy, man! I don't believe..." No, the whole point of being a Jedi is making personal sacrifice; else, you fall to the dark side.

Those are the mechanics of the universe. Jedi training without strict discipline leads to the dark side. Either accept that, or just forget about being a cool space samurai with a silver lightsaber. Be Han Solo or something.

I'd go green and single. If it's good enough for Space Jesus Luke, what type of tosser would I be trying to get a special black/gold/invisible dual-wielding shit like I'm some total badass? I'm sure they'd kick you out of training for peacocking like that.

See that kind of moral absolutism is exactly what drives people in universe to call the Jedi out for what is, quite honestly, talking out their asses. You can not fall while not being a Jedi, either because you left the Order or never joined in the first place.

Being a Jedi isn't the same thing as being a morally upstanding person, and you can be either two without being the other.

Moral absolutism is a little different in a universe where using certain powers is demonstrably corrupting. It's not like they set up arbitrary rules. They can look at thousands of examples that say "using the dark side will corrupt you physically and mentally, and make you evil."

As a matter of fact, I think the statement I keep seeing, that "if I were a force user, I would use whatever powers I want but still do the right thing" is probably one of the first thoughts of literally every fallen Jedi.

I'd agree with you if there weren't tangible, magic, evil bullshit involved in the dark side, but I think it's safe to say that the Jedi practice strict self-denial for a very good reason.

Spoiler

I think the problem here is that the Sith are the most overt and obvious examples of Dark Side users, and because of this their behavior and histories have colored all perceptions of it. From the first wave of Dark "Jedi" on Tython, to their meeting and interbreeding with the Sith, all the way through the Rule of Two, the Sith have stood in to represent the Dark Side. The same group keeps fucking everything up, but that doesn't mean that the source of power they draw from is what makes them do it. Their histories, cultural groups, upbringings, and politics probably have more of a say in it than their connection to the Dark Side. Especially now with the canon shrunk from its old size, I can't call in Revan, Mace Windu's people, or Jollee as examples of people or peoples who blended the two, used the Force without uniform leaning towards light or dark, and left the Order without falling respectively.

I'm not sure that I'd wany one but I'd like to see a black lightsaber... does that make sense to have a saber made from black light? Wait, why do I care?

I'm going to go with green.

Black sabers are a thing. If I've got my history correct, they're Rakattan prototypes to Lightsabers.

Spoiler

This one's actually canon, because it appeared in the Clone Wars tv show.

If we're only going by canon material, the Darksaber is unique and its origins are unknown.

This is true yes, though we can imply that it's origins are Jedi, since Pre-Visla says that it was a trophy claimed from the Jedi.

What's all the hate for Grey Jedi going in here? A Grey Jedi is just a Jedi who doesn't follow the council or the order's commands/proclamations. They're not some kind of wishy washy can use the Dark Side cheater's option. They just don't go with the group sometimes.

As for what I'd use, I'd probably go with a silver blade, and copy Exar Kun's short hilted double bladed lightsaber. Tricky tricky man that he was came up with a tricky tricky lightsaber to match.

It's like being a philandering monk. "Oh, I'm totally into meditation and self-discipline and all that jazz, but pussy is pussy, man! I don't believe..." No, the whole point of being a Jedi is making personal sacrifice; else, you fall to the dark side.

Those are the mechanics of the universe. Jedi training without strict discipline leads to the dark side. Either accept that, or just forget about being a cool space samurai with a silver lightsaber. Be Han Solo or something.

I'd go green and single. If it's good enough for Space Jesus Luke, what type of tosser would I be trying to get a special black/gold/invisible dual-wielding shit like I'm some total badass? I'm sure they'd kick you out of training for peacocking like that.

See that kind of moral absolutism is exactly what drives people in universe to call the Jedi out for what is, quite honestly, talking out their asses. You can not fall while not being a Jedi, either because you left the Order or never joined in the first place.

Being a Jedi isn't the same thing as being a morally upstanding person, and you can be either two without being the other.

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about a universe where the two most wise and sympathetic force-users (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both insist emotion leads to the dark side and good ol' boy Space Jesus Luke is almost seduced after he does the whole "follows your heart/ own moral compass" thing and rescues his friends rather than complete his training like instructed.

Knowing all of this, what would make you believe you're onto some secret balance regarding basic human compassion and Jedi power that Obi, Yoda, and Luke are not? What would make you so innately good and resistant while they had to wrestle with Jedi bulshit their entire lives?

Of course the real world isn't Manichean, but we're not discussing the real world. We're discussing a fantasy universe where there's only two paths to wielding the force. It's a rule built into the canon.

I'd call Yoda and Obi-won two old men, clinging to now rose tinted images of the Order they failed to save or serve, who believe so firmly in the necessity of the Jedi's self-imposed codes because they themselves were both taught, and were called upon to teach, said codes. Meanwhile Luke's disregard for their orders in Empire wasn't the temptation of the Dark Side, it was him being brash and headstrong, an overconfident teenager.

I don't think that I'm innately superior, or harder to corrupt, but that the importance of having a good head on your shoulders is a million times greater than the Jedi Code or all the litigation they had on the books about cans and can'ts.

EDIT:

Also I keep trying really, really hard to stick to what is canon now, but I can't help but slip into the old stuff. Sorry guys, old habits.

 

[Compatriot Block]

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I'm not sure what the picture of the blue mana from MTG is supposed to mean here.

EDIT: Also I am not trying to say that being part of the Order is the only way to be a good guy by any means. Jolee is a good example of that, but he was basically a light-sider in all but name. Light-side teachings and the Jedi organization are connected, but I wouldn't say you need the latter to follow the former.

 

[silver wolf009]

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I'm not sure what the picture of the blue mana from MTG is supposed to mean here.

I'm calling you a blue player. If that's a compliment or an insult, depends mostly on your own opinions. Just a bit of poking fun.

 

[Compatriot Block]

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I'm not sure what the picture of the blue mana from MTG is supposed to mean here.

I'm calling you a blue player. If that's a compliment or an insult, depends mostly on your own opinions. Just a bit of poking fun.

I like blue decks, I suppose. At least in theory. Cheaper to play kitchen table green or red decks usually.

 

[silver wolf009]

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I'm not sure what the picture of the blue mana from MTG is supposed to mean here.

I'm calling you a blue player. If that's a compliment or an insult, depends mostly on your own opinions. Just a bit of poking fun.

I like blue decks, I suppose. At least in theory. Cheaper to play kitchen table green or red decks usually.

Blue players, please stop. Blue players, please no Force of Will.

Red can have the better looting when please?

 

[Kolby Jack]

Snip!!

The Jedi don't actually practice absolutism. It's NOT "the Jedi way or the highway." They do believe the Jedi way is best, but only in the same way any real religion thinks their way is the correct faith. They don't force anyone into their order. They're fine with Jedi leaving the order as well, as seen with Ahsoka. The only problem they have is with force-sensitives who use the dark side, because, historically, the dark side does nothing but conquer and destroy. Obi-Wan and Yoda only insisted that Luke must FACE Vader, I don't recall them ever saying he must kill him. They were staunchly against Luke going to save his friends because Luke wasn't READY to save his friends. Even then, once his mind was made up they allowed him to go. Of note: he got his ass handed to him by Vader, and his friends escaped on their own.

The Jedi were never shown to be absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean you throw out everything they teach. Yoda and Obi-Wan taught Luke the Jedi way, and then passed on, leaving him to decide the fate of the Order. They clearly approved of his actions at the end of Return of the Jedi, otherwise they wouldn't have been smiling or they may not have shown up at all.

 

[Naraka]

I want one that has an easily variable geometry, that seems like a smart move. Also purple, with crackling blue flashes.