Hey, it could be worse. Over in New Hampshire (actually, only at my school), they're attempting to have school on Saturdays. Yes, you read that right.kickin wiing said:
Longer school days :(
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I'd say he'd be hard pressed just to 'start' with one year as a trial period. Again everything we're just saying is skeptism. But remember for everything the President 'says' and 'claims' he will do, needs a great deal of approval when it boils down to changing fundemental homeland laws.Goldbling said:
Going to war and pulling funds around. Ahhh, no problem.
I've always found that as a weird logic, but hey, I agree the public masses can be really annoying to force even a tiny change upon if theres no patriotic call or outrage to monger them into action, and it may be a long while before any kind of change appears in the school system.
I say quality over quantity, so first make sure the quality is good enough before you up the amount of school you get. A nice example, something similair is happening right here in Holland. High schools have this "1080 hours norm" wich means that schools have to give 1080 hours of school each schoolyear. Problem is, because of things like a teacher shortage, plenty of hours are simply not filled in with anything. Wich means that students have to sit at school, simply for the sake of sitting at school to fill up the hours. Such empty hours are then branded "self study hours", ridiculous names like that, all it really means is dumping students into empty classrooms without a teacher, then waving goodbye. Nonsense really, so before Obama amps up the hours as well, he should make sure a similair situation won't happen in American schools.
True that, although I didn't really understand what the post was saying at all. I didn't assume he was a teacher, because I couldn't tell what he was saying. =PMercanary57 said:
But what I said was that people just need to learn to spell, and speak without spurting obscenities all over the place. That would at least give the American youth a better image, right?
Yea that was one of the options that were up for debate, I am glad they chose the extended days over Saturdays.cthulhu257 said:
and what about those kids that are on the border. The ones who don't quite understand but are close to getting it? Do you think that more time isn't going to help them? I knew quite a few people like that, and all they needed to understand the problem was just a few more hours, which is what Obama is proposing.Crazzee said:
For the ones who are bored and understand everything: Get your GED and go to college if it's that un-challenging for you.
For the ones who don't care anyways: McDonalds might be willing to hire you.
As for the torture thing: Get over it. You go to school at 8 and get out at 3. Do you know how much I would love to have that schedule right now? a 7 hour day including lunch? That would be awesome. So Obama will make you get out at 5? Welcome to the real world. It will make you appreciate when you have to work that long, but actually get paid for it. So Obama will make your school year longer? You still get 3 months off, not including the breaks during the year. Try getting a week a year off, if that, and then come talk to me. All this is doing is preparing you for reality
As a father of 3 (2 in school, one to start school in 2 years), I have to say that if this is what it takes to make our schools competitive with the rest of the world, and later for our work force to be competitive, then I'm all for it.
As a gamer, it wold be nice to be nice to play during the late night hours without the summer and winter break influx of whiny teenagers playing also. Not that I'm saying all teenagers are whiny, but you seem to see more during the breaks.
As a gamer, it wold be nice to be nice to play during the late night hours without the summer and winter break influx of whiny teenagers playing also. Not that I'm saying all teenagers are whiny, but you seem to see more during the breaks.
I hear this argument a lot, and I have one thing to say on the subject: Shut up about it.Jak The Great said:
Yes, whatever, the real world and all that good crap, but I, among most high schoolers, don't need to be prepared for it. We understand that life is going to be hard and that we won't get all these breaks and crap ever again, which is EXACTLY why we should get it. For the first years of your life, up until you hit college, you get to take the easy way out. You get to do the easy things. What is the point of childhood if not being carefree? Being without worr, being let out early, watching cartoons, are these things not sacred?
So, now, they're deciding to take all of our lovely little children, extend their days, make them wake up early, tell them that if you don't do good in high school, you automatically fail at everything forever...Effectively turn them into stress freaks who never do anything, or take any risks. Then, on top of that, there's the homework. We go to school all day, sitting in horribly uncomfortable positions for nearly seven hours, five days a week. Yeah, that's all fine and well, but we go home, and get a chance to relax, when suddenly, Bang. A math assignment, history, English, where does it end? So the only real chance to relax is going to sleep at night. And yes, I understand about eight-hour work days at the office and all of that, but at least you guys get a chance to move around and stretch your legs without getting punished for it. At least you guys get a chance to sit in chairs that don't realign your spinal cord and hurt your back constantly. It is purely my (non)professional opinion that if you go to an all-day school, the rest of your day until bed time shouldn't be taken up by homework.
Granted, I myself never actually do it until I get to school the next day, or during school the same day it is received.
But, as I previously stated, you are effectively taking lots of nice, great little children and turning them into stress freaks. Sure, prepare them for the real world and all that crap, but school and work are not the same thing, no matter how much you try to justify reasons that they are.
It's not like he is making you stay for 4 more hours.Goldbling said:
Everyone should be pleased, longer school days = better quality of education due to teachers not being stuck for time.
I concur. Then they will sue the school district they were in because they have to take remedial courses in college and pay out the @$$ (now that tuition rates are going to skyrocket) for them when they could have had them for free.Goldbling said:
PROBLEM: Eventually, some liberal judge is going to not laugh his butt off and throw the kid out for being stupid.
haha I'm not even going to try to argue with you. You will not understand it until you are older. I WISH they had done that for me, it would have prepared me to try harder, and push further.Crazzee said:
I treated High school as a joke, as it was, a waste of my time. That attitude carried over into my college career, and hurt my GPA badly for the first year. I couldn't get scholarships to pay for my tuition. So I had to button down the hatches to succeed, and all that stress I endured during that time I could have avoided if I had done more in High school to get a scholarship.
Also, try doing your homework at the last minute in college. I did and my friends did. You know the ones who were bored with classes because they knew everything? the 4.2 GPAs? yeah that didn't turn out well.
I will ask you one more question: What is the purpose of school? You sure make it sound like a device that is used to torture young children.
I'm a teacher as well, not an English one, but that is absolutely attrocious grammar for a teacher. My spelling isn't great but there are reasons for that. You sure you're a teacher?skib132 said:
Mah fingers are gettin' tired...=PJak The Great said:
The purpose of school is to teach about shtuff and to help prepare for college. College is for preparing for the real world. It's not a device to torture kids, but have you MET some of these kids? I feel like I go to a building full of stressed-out zombies every day, they're so focused on trying to do good in school that they miss out on the good things in life, like jokes, and novels, and all that good stuff. The only thing that exists for many of them is school, and that is very discouraging, wouldn't you think so?
Meh, I'm also running out of things to say in response to this stuff. Yeah, I know that college works that way, but high school doesn't. I'll start doing things the right way when I'm faced with a situation in which I have to, you know? It keeps me sane, unlike everyone else in my school.
Utterly pointless, schooling prior to college is essentially a cheap form of babysitting. The educational system is astonishingly poor; to the extent I estimate that 80% to 90% of what you learn within the aforementioned period of time is useless, serving little purpose in assisting you in your life at a later time.
Even college is questionable however if you choose a specific course to focus your studies upon than you will indeed benefit however those whom go to college as if it were measured as a higher learning experience to that of High School are likely to be wasting their time. The reason I hold this statistics, which admittedly are only my own? If unused for a large duration ? approximately two years or less ? we have a tendency to forget what we have learned.
Furthermore I cite all the numerous six figure salary or high five figures that require half what is taught today in public schools. While I know algebra, I will never have a single use for it, not within the field I intend to work nor would a vast majority of people. What intrigued and frankly enlightened my point of view upon this subject was when I quit public High School following grade nine; which I failed however biased teaching and an abundance of issues; terrible school.
Anyhow, I went through a Home Schooling program, which asked my grade. I stated ten at the time because I found I should not be held accountable for not passing grade nine when it had been impossible to do so. School had no qualms, completely voided I ever failed and I finished grades ten, eleven and twelve all within six months; I was finished the program by age fifteen and had my diploma at sixteen all with honor role marks, with the one exception if I recall.
I know Home Schooling is easier and more time efficient however this is pushing the notion to a significant degree; to pass three years ahead of the norm considered age? And can anyone wonder why I believe public school prior to college (and only if it courses) is a pointless endeavor? I have learned more from the Internet, Television and videogames than I ever did in school.
Even college is questionable however if you choose a specific course to focus your studies upon than you will indeed benefit however those whom go to college as if it were measured as a higher learning experience to that of High School are likely to be wasting their time. The reason I hold this statistics, which admittedly are only my own? If unused for a large duration ? approximately two years or less ? we have a tendency to forget what we have learned.
Furthermore I cite all the numerous six figure salary or high five figures that require half what is taught today in public schools. While I know algebra, I will never have a single use for it, not within the field I intend to work nor would a vast majority of people. What intrigued and frankly enlightened my point of view upon this subject was when I quit public High School following grade nine; which I failed however biased teaching and an abundance of issues; terrible school.
Anyhow, I went through a Home Schooling program, which asked my grade. I stated ten at the time because I found I should not be held accountable for not passing grade nine when it had been impossible to do so. School had no qualms, completely voided I ever failed and I finished grades ten, eleven and twelve all within six months; I was finished the program by age fifteen and had my diploma at sixteen all with honor role marks, with the one exception if I recall.
I know Home Schooling is easier and more time efficient however this is pushing the notion to a significant degree; to pass three years ahead of the norm considered age? And can anyone wonder why I believe public school prior to college (and only if it courses) is a pointless endeavor? I have learned more from the Internet, Television and videogames than I ever did in school.
Why not just cut out pointless classes and replace them with goodones, seriously why the fuck should I take an art class when I was in middle school, by then I could have just picked like I do in highschool
Ohh and Obama, Its quality, not quantity
Ohh and Obama, Its quality, not quantity
The only real way to make education work is to make it engaging and interesting for everyone, as well as offer options for those people who dont wish to spend six years at high school.
Teachers must be enthusiastic about there job, treat their pupils as peers rather than underlings and be generally awesome to their students. This helps greatly.
Its not about how much time you have, its about what you do with it.
Teachers must be enthusiastic about there job, treat their pupils as peers rather than underlings and be generally awesome to their students. This helps greatly.
Its not about how much time you have, its about what you do with it.