Looks like LulzSec is in trouble

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Whoever said waterboarding helped catch Osama Bin Laden is flat out wrong.
It didn't.
Also, waterboarding is torture and America has put their own soldiers and foreign soldiers on trial in the past for doing it. (Vietnam, Japanese soldiers during WW2).
Luckily, that shenanigans has been stopped thanks to the slightly more sane American government that followed the past administration (although we will probably still be outsourcing torture to different countries, including Saudi Arabia (we recently lost Egypt's uses for that probably).
No, it's not the worst thing we ever did, American history and the arguably the present is filled with crimes worse than that done by America in the case of waterboarding. But torture is not justifiable and is not a reliable way to gain information.
It's revenge, and it's stooping to the level of a terrorist. It's not about saying "but Al Qaeda did worse" it's about how it's not effective, and how it is hypocritical to torture and then turn around and talk about being a free, brave nation that's the "good guys".
Threadjack over.

This situation is turning very interesting. Much as I'm not a fan of the FBI or abusive corporations, Sony isn't huge on my shitlist of corporations, and LulzSec seems to be arrogant renegades as opposed to any sort of do-good causes that Anon focuses on (Iran, etc. etc.).

 

[FalloutJack]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

Wait, what? No, not at all. Anonymous isn't a group "with a trusted set of ideals" or stuff like that. Anonymous is the internet equivalent of a ski mask: it's a cover to be worn when you want to do something that you might not want your name attached to. And while the FBI and such don't look at an armed robbery and say, "My God! That's the thousandth crime by the Ski Mask Bandit this month! How can he cross the country so quickly?" they still somehow think that if they look hard enough, eventually they'll find the Anonymous Command Center or something.

It's more then a generic ski-mask. Anon has become a symbol.

Think of it like a Batman mask, but it's constantly passed from person to person. In this scenario, anyone can be Batman because Batman is the description rather then a name.

Problem: Lulz =/= Batman

Ergo: They are not good at all.

I'll attribute Anonymous to Batman sometimes, but not these guys.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

Wait, what? No, not at all. Anonymous isn't a group "with a trusted set of ideals" or stuff like that. Anonymous is the internet equivalent of a ski mask: it's a cover to be worn when you want to do something that you might not want your name attached to. And while the FBI and such don't look at an armed robbery and say, "My God! That's the thousandth crime by the Ski Mask Bandit this month! How can he cross the country so quickly?" they still somehow think that if they look hard enough, eventually they'll find the Anonymous Command Center or something.

It's more then a generic ski-mask. Anon has become a symbol.

Think of it like a Batman mask, but it's constantly passed from person to person. In this scenario, anyone can be Batman because Batman is the description rather then a name.

Problem: Lulz =/= Batman

Ergo: They are not good at all.

I'll attribute Anonymous to Batman sometimes, but not these guys.

That was my original point. Anon is the closest thing to Batman in this world, for better or worse.

Lulzsec is like those guys in Hockey pads that the beginning of The Dark Knight. Imitators, and poor ones at that.

 

[DarkRyter]

LulzSec, Sony, I don't know who's in the right, if any of them are.

But I can say that the real bad guy is obviously Microsoft.

Halo Trilogy my ass.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

Wait, what? No, not at all. Anonymous isn't a group "with a trusted set of ideals" or stuff like that. Anonymous is the internet equivalent of a ski mask: it's a cover to be worn when you want to do something that you might not want your name attached to. And while the FBI and such don't look at an armed robbery and say, "My God! That's the thousandth crime by the Ski Mask Bandit this month! How can he cross the country so quickly?" they still somehow think that if they look hard enough, eventually they'll find the Anonymous Command Center or something.

It's more then a generic ski-mask. Anon has become a symbol.

Think of it like a Batman mask, but it's constantly passed from person to person. In this scenario, anyone can be Batman because Batman is the description rather then a name.

Ah, but consider this: people claim allegiance to Anon and carry its banner while doing perfectly legal (and often admirable) things, like the Co$ protests. Similarly, you can wear a ski mask while you...well, ski, for one, or if it's cold out, but the important thing is that it's still something you can wear while clearly not breaking the law and-

-wait, why are we arguing over what's a better analogy for anonymous?

 

[nightwolf667]

Does anybody know how many search warrants or arrest warrants the FBI puts out per day? They're all in the public forum, but unless anyone actually is bothering to pay attention they go unannounced. We know that 40 people have been pulled in for questioning since the Anonymous thing started, many of them high ranking server admins. We know this from the Anonymous war between Ryan and Owen that started this LulzBoat. Ryan got control over the Anonymous IRC because other members could no longer run the servers from their homes. Want to bet if their computers are still in custody? They probably are.

The FBI doesn't talk. They're not going to announce to the world who their chasing or if they have any leads. They say nothing. It doesn't really matter if it's Anonymous or the LulzBoat, the FBI say nothing. If no one cared enough to pay attention to which arrest warrants they were putting out, then we don't know how many members they've nabbed. Neither Anon nor Lulzy are going to admit that members are being caught, it weakens their position as "Teh Glorious Hacker Extreme!". The FBI won't say anything until the ones they've caught have been brought to trial, which hasn't happened yet.

So really, we're getting this from a more biased perspective. The LulzBoat is openly and publicly hacking, challenging, boasting, whatever, which makes them look like they're the only ones acting. They're not. It's just that the FBI has the good sense not to say any more than they need to.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Full Circle!-

Ah, so we're on the same page then. Alrighty.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Lulzsec is like those guys in Hockey pads that the beginning of The Dark Knight. Imitators, and poor ones at that.

I would (and have) compare LulzSec to the Joker. Their actions have neither rhyme nor reason...they simply find it amusing to watch people squirm and suffer. It even says so on top of their Twitter feed.

Lulz Security® (LulzSec), the world's leaders in high-quality entertainment at your expense

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

Seems that the FBI is finally catching up with LulzSec after their hacking of Sony and more recently Nintendo. Apparently one of the hackers in the group, Robert Cavanaugh, has already been found and arrested by the FBI.

Source: http://kotaku.com/5809216/report-lulz-security-sony-hacker-arrested

All I have to say, whatever happens to this guy he completely deserves it. Now I just want to get some popcorn, sit back, and watch as the FBI starts bringing in the rest of these assholes one by one over the next few weeks and Sony reams them in the ass.

Seems more to me like your jumping the gun. What on earth happened to 'Innocent until proven guilty'? See, this is why justice fails. Because before the trial even begins everyone's going about lighting up their torches. I uphold my own judgement until I actually hear the facts and I hope that justice is served, if he is indeed the hacker I hope he's caught and if he isn't I hope he's free once more.

And if he is the hacker I hope his punishment is working for FBI on a dial up computer, just because I enjoy irony.

Lulzsec is like those guys in Hockey pads that the beginning of The Dark Knight. Imitators, and poor ones at that.[/quote]

I would (and have) compared LulzSec to the Joker. Their actions have neither rhyme nor reason...they simply find it amusing to watch people squirm and suffer. It even says so on top of their Twitter feed.

Lulz Security® (LulzSec), the world's leaders in high-quality entertainment at your expense

[/quote]

BATMAN VS LULZ

Nope, sorry. Just doesn't seem to have the same charm as the Joker. Then again, I suppose batman punching a hacker in the face would be kind of refreshing.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

Crap, I can't delete this, can someone delete this?

 

[Jeffrey Rodriguez]

Sony never did anything illegal. All they did was remove a people many people didn't use, and most of the ones who did abused.

It's quite depressing how little Sony was punished for flat out lying. Legal precedent (or lack thereof) is quite dangerous. Private companies already wield considerble legal power; they can simply bleed claims dry with protracted claims/cases.

Though as I understand it, Sony actually was fined in Norway and Canada for breaking Advertising laws over the Removal of the Other OS.

In short: Sony should be held to their promises. They made their bed, they should lay in it, rather than just stepping on the faces of their customers to get what they want.

I'm not going to get into a whole argument about the whole removal of Other OS, that's not what this thread is about anyways. Though if people where using it to cheat and pirate I say they where somewhat in the right to remove the function anyways. This is about the illegal actions of some hackers, and no matter what Sony may have done no illegal action against them, especially one that hurts so many third party people, is justified.

 

[w00tage]

I may think Sony are a bunch of tools ... to the point of ... their court cases never actually address anything, but are just constantly repeating "PIRATES!" against every argument.
Jailbreaking your devices is legal. Selling jailbreaking technology or devices is not, because they're almost entirely used for illegal purposes.

....unless you count the market for legal jailbreaking of devices. Were it legal to get the technology, of course.

That's actually sort of the same kind of system as the "copying your movies is legal. Copying DVDs of your movies is not because breaking the copy protection is what pirates do" deal. The truth there is, you actually own the license to any "Fair Use" of the movie, but being unable to legally break the copy protection means the producer can charge you any desired price for the movie on new media, instead of having the price set by the actual costs of getting it transferred to the new media (almost nothing).

In other words, it's worth it for a company to pay lawyers, lobbyists and government officials to circumvent both the letter and intent of the law by passing a contradictory law that is too expensive to fight in court.

 

[Versuvius]

It's more then a generic ski-mask. Anon has become a symbol.

Think of it like a Batman mask, but it's constantly passed from person to person. In this scenario, anyone can be Batman because Batman is the description rather then a name.

You're the Gray Fox!

 

[Danceofmasks]

I may think Sony are a bunch of tools ... to the point of ... their court cases never actually address anything, but are just constantly repeating "PIRATES!" against every argument.
Jailbreaking your devices is legal. Selling jailbreaking technology or devices is not, because they're almost entirely used for illegal purposes.

....unless you count the market for legal jailbreaking of devices. Were it legal to get the technology, of course.

That's actually sort of the same kind of system as the "copying your movies is legal. Copying DVDs of your movies is not because breaking the copy protection is what pirates do" deal. The truth there is, you actually own the license to any "Fair Use" of the movie, but being unable to legally break the copy protection means the producer can charge you any desired price for the movie on new media, instead of having the price set by the actual costs of getting it transferred to the new media (almost nothing).

In other words, it's worth it for a company to pay lawyers, lobbyists and government officials to circumvent both the letter and intent of the law by passing a contradictory law that is too expensive to fight in court.

Ah, but if the jailbreaking technology is given away for free, such as in the case of cracking region-locked DVDs, then it's all good.

The reason the Hotz court case was such a circus was 'cos Sony didn't actually have a legal leg to stand on, and they were just using their financial clout to hurt him by dragging it on and on.

 

[Trull]

Maybe they should kill lulsec suspects. And by kill, I mean, say that they killed, while keeping them in an underground bunker. Then watch as Lulsec slowly falls apart as their members all start "dying" and even innocent people die. I had a dream that europe was threatening to blow up all of america to stop anon and lulsec. That would work to.

Well not really, but they're more interesting than all this chit chat.

 

[crono738]

I only hope that the FBI isn't above giving me an hour alone-time with them.

No cameras, no consequences.

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahaa *Cough, hack, wheeze*

Spoiler

That's right, I'll force them to listen to Justin Bieber - Baby and Rebecca Black - Friday on infinite loop!

They need to call in Jack Bauer.

OT: about time the authorities start finding these pricks.

 

[Sikratua]

Sorry PS3 fans, I'm cheering for the lulz on this one. Personally I don't know why ANYONE would want to give their support and money to a company that doesn't give a crap about your personal information safety.

So, in response to that, you give your support (and maybe your money. I don't know or care, either way.) to an organization that not only doesn't give a crap about your personal information safety, but directly puts said information at risk by broadcasting it. That is some top notch horseshit logic, right there. Your parents must be proud.

 

[theultimateend]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Jail Rape is not funny at all.

Just to clarify.