Lovecraft vs. Warhammer!
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Buy a Lovecraft book. That's a good start. They have pretty good story collections. Just any, I suppose, most are a collection of stories, more often than not related. Or maybe there is a the whole Cthulhu mythos contained in several books somewhere. At any rate, there isn't a start or an end to Lovecraft's works - they are just some stories that are only connected through the setting and sometimes through common names referenced. Some stories even contradict or misrepresent facts from others. It's rather fitting though, knowledge of some beings can shatter the minds of mortals. A lot of stories are told from the point of view of a character who is relaying their experience with the forbidden knowledge, as such they are already either insane or on the brink.imahobbit4062 said:
See, this is the problem, the Chaos gods need their servants and followers. The Lovecraftian horrors don't. They aren't gods as much as aliens so powerful that humans don't even fit on their power scale and are below their attention. And we are. Few of the Lovecraftian abominations are even concerned with humanity, much less malicious or evil. Their thought process and morality are incomprehensible to people. We are but ants compared to them, maybe even less than that.Hawk of Battle said:
Lovecraftian beings don't need followers. Perhaps they don't even want them in the first place. They cannot even be reasonably confronted, much less "killed" by us. Unlike Chaos gods that can only be directly influenced in the Warp, the Lovecraftian "gods" simply cannot - they exist in more layers of reality than we, humans, can actually comprehend or access. Also, anything that can be called a god will most likely destroy every human being that came close to it. Without conscious effort or even without noticing. Much like you might not noticing stepping on an ant. When Cthulhu awoke only briefly, at least a quarter of the planet felt it - nightmares, shaken mental health and other manners of strange things. And that was only for its brief waking period, it wasn't fully awoken or active. And Cthulhu isn't considered a god. It isn't as powerful or important as some of the other beings out there.
I tend to go with original material. Since most writers who do "dark gods of the universe from another dimension who will reign supreme when the stars are right" stuff are ripping off Lovecraft to do it, I hold that any cheap copies of Lovecraftian horrors are not, in fact, as good as the real thing.
Yes, I'm aware Lovecraft in turn was probably ripping off some ancient Eastern mythology no one but an enthusiast or superstitious native would know about today. Point stands.
Yes, I'm aware Lovecraft in turn was probably ripping off some ancient Eastern mythology no one but an enthusiast or superstitious native would know about today. Point stands.
Chaos would just twist the LC Gods around their little fingers or use them as pawns for some messed up end game.
True story.
True story.
fun fact about KhroneBiodeamon said:
he actually has an 'honor code' .... don't look at me like that its true ....
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne#.T34dGtU-ZUY
It was on some guy's deviantArt. Unfortunately, he deactivated his account.MammothBlade said:Wow, that's pretty amazing. Do you know where I can find more of this artist's works?PaganAxe said:Cthulu is relatively weak when compared to Lovecraft's Outer Gods Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth.
Look at this artist's interpretation of Azathoth.
When I look at this, I imagine him as unfathomably immense. At the center of all infinity.
40k stuff works on a (supposedly) galactic scale, Lovecraft mostly on a planetary scale.
Cthullu would be the equivalent of a daemon prince, I'd say, and they are nasty, but 40k has lots of them.
On the other hand, even in Lovecraft's work, Cthullu is a celebrity more than a monster, it gets named dropped lots of times, but rarely actually harms anyone.
Cthullu would be the equivalent of a daemon prince, I'd say, and they are nasty, but 40k has lots of them.
On the other hand, even in Lovecraft's work, Cthullu is a celebrity more than a monster, it gets named dropped lots of times, but rarely actually harms anyone.
Now we're talking. Enough with the "gee, I wonder who would win, harby and the starchild or FUCKING CHAOS."
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My money's on Team Mythos. As mentioned, Lovecraft had quite the prolific racism-fueled imagination. Here's a description of Yog-Sothoth:
Off topic: is Tzeentch Nyarlathotep, or is Nyarlathotep Tzeentch?
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My money's on Team Mythos. As mentioned, Lovecraft had quite the prolific racism-fueled imagination. Here's a description of Yog-Sothoth:
I mean, how do you fight that?
Off topic: is Tzeentch Nyarlathotep, or is Nyarlathotep Tzeentch?
Lovecraft has elder gods that are larger than the entity of the universe and exist outside of logic or understanding. So yeah, Warhammer can't really top that.
The Chaos Gods are only described as 'gods' because what other title could you ascribe to them? To the ordinary human, they appear omnipotent, omniscient, and in the case of Slannesh, omnisexual. However, they do have limits. They didn't create the universe, they merely reside in it.Hal10k said:
And, to be fair, Holy Terra has it's own demi-god protecting it.
, too cute.
Hey, I'm no Imperialist here, I play Eldar. And occasionally by brother's Tau army. Doesn't it even state in the fluff that the psykers are sacrificed to provide the power anyway, and the Emperor merely guides it?Melanie McGreevey said:
If it was a game of just as planned the Warhammer universe by a mile in my opinion but in an open fight I'd say probably Lovecraft.
Well the problem with Warhammer fluff is that it gets retconned so much. Where something might have been the greatest threat in the universe in one codex it suddenly becomes weak in another. Sizes of armies change radically, powers jump around, and nothing ever really happens. I still find the codexs interesting reads in themselves but they are by no means truly concrete. Still if you want to jump in just pick a codex or book up. Doesn't matter where just jump in where ever you feel like it.imahobbit4062 said:
Actually Nyarlathotep would probably be closer to Slaanesh than Tzeentch. In Lovecraft Mythos Nyarlathotep was described as being the most similar to mortals in terms of its mindset, it was a being devoted to the corruption and degeneration of humanity much in the same way that Slaanesh does in the Warhammer 40k universe.Kahunaburger said:
Most of the Chaos Gods have a Lovecraftian analogue:
Tzeetch bears the most resemblance to Yog-Sothoth with his 'Thousands of faces and facets' and lacking any definite form.
Slaanesh, as I said, I most similiar to Slaanesh for the reasons above.
Hastur AKA The Unnameable One would probably be similar to Nurgle in terms of personality and action.
Khorne is the only one that doesn't really have a Lovecraftian counterpart, he's visceral war and bloodshed which wasn't really Lovecraft's thing.