There is a part of me that agrees with you there. If Luke sacrificed himself to destroy the Emperor that would have been the right way to have a grimmer ending. Han dying would not have been.matrix3509 said:
Lucas Cared More About Toys, Says Star Wars Producer
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I'm a huge Star wars fan (of the movies, anyway) and I actually loved Jedi and the way it ended. I wouldn't have wanted a somber and serious note. Jedi used to be my favorite (For the fighting, the green lightsabers, speederbikes and the A-wings, lol) but now I just love the entire series as a whole. Although I do have to say that I love the lighting in Empire.
I never had as big a problem with the prequels as everyone else did. There were some boring parts and some off beat parts, but seriously what did you expect about a prequel? You've got the biggest war in the history of that galaxy going on and you expect the political machinations of an old man are going to be thrilling? The only thing I thought was lacking was the Clone Wars, but even still I was never excited by the ideas of a prequel anyway. That being said, I still enjoyed the films and love all six for their own merits.
I never had as big a problem with the prequels as everyone else did. There were some boring parts and some off beat parts, but seriously what did you expect about a prequel? You've got the biggest war in the history of that galaxy going on and you expect the political machinations of an old man are going to be thrilling? The only thing I thought was lacking was the Clone Wars, but even still I was never excited by the ideas of a prequel anyway. That being said, I still enjoyed the films and love all six for their own merits.
Not even the Ewoks?Thaius said:
I agree with you on the prequels. I thought they were pretty good except for a few parts, like Jar Jar, the romance, and the increasing ridiculousness of the lightsaber fights(Obi-Wan vs. Anakin).Vohn_exel said:
What? What do you mean George Lucas only gives a damn about squeezing out as much money as he can out of the two good ideas he has (jointly) had?
No Spielberg, no Indiana Jones. No Kurtz, no Star Wars.
This all became amazing obvious in 1999 when "The Phantom Menace" came out. Mr. Lucas' further excretions were seen in 2002 and 2005 as well.
(Seriously, it took me until the last fifteen minutes of "Revenge of the Sith" to even begin to think that Hayden Christensen was going to become James Earl Jones/David Prowse. You do not go from being a whiny emo kid to becoming the universe's ultimate badass, I don't care what Screamo music tells you!)
Also, while I'm one of the few people (apparently) who actually liked Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Spielberg had the last scene in "Last Crusade" set up exactly in such a way as to end the series and Lucas had no desire to respect that. I would've been perfectly happy with "Last Crusade", and even though I enjoyed some bits of "Crystal Skull", it all seemed
Thank you, George Lucas, for ruining a sci-fi epic with your bowel evacuations and dragging an old, tired action hero out of a great ending. Quite frankly, "good" sir, you suck...
No Spielberg, no Indiana Jones. No Kurtz, no Star Wars.
This all became amazing obvious in 1999 when "The Phantom Menace" came out. Mr. Lucas' further excretions were seen in 2002 and 2005 as well.
(Seriously, it took me until the last fifteen minutes of "Revenge of the Sith" to even begin to think that Hayden Christensen was going to become James Earl Jones/David Prowse. You do not go from being a whiny emo kid to becoming the universe's ultimate badass, I don't care what Screamo music tells you!)
Also, while I'm one of the few people (apparently) who actually liked Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Spielberg had the last scene in "Last Crusade" set up exactly in such a way as to end the series and Lucas had no desire to respect that. I would've been perfectly happy with "Last Crusade", and even though I enjoyed some bits of "Crystal Skull", it all seemed
Thank you, George Lucas, for ruining a sci-fi epic with your bowel evacuations and dragging an old, tired action hero out of a great ending. Quite frankly, "good" sir, you suck...
I suppose maybe I would have taken the word "best" out of the Emperor's line about "an entire legion of my best troops." Might make it a bit more believable (though even then, if the normal stormtroopers are the standard, "best" probably sucks anyway). But that would be it. I like that the little guys came out on top through ingenuity, resourcefulness, and sheer numbers. Also, them thinking C-3PO was a god was freakin' awesome.ianrocks6495 said:
I actually don't think that Return of the Jedi was as bad as everyone says. I think many fatally flaw the film based on the Ewoks. But not only do I think that weren't too annoying, as a matter of fact, I like them, ultimately Return settled the story: The Empire was destroyed, Jabba was killed and Han rescued, and Luke became a Jedi. Now the ending itself could've been better. What would've been better would be if we get the Ewok party, but THEN we get a scene of the gang saying goodbye to the Ewoks as they rendevous on Coruscant and commence an official changing of the guard very similar to the end of A New Hope.
The original trilogy walked a fine line between dark disaster and fun adventure, you needed both for the series to work. If an audience is with a few characters for so long, the last thing they want to see are the fruits of their labor being all for nothing. From Kurtz's ending, I would've only cut out the part of Han dying, because...he's fucking Han Solo, you just don't kill him. But Han would be there for Leia as she struggled to keep the Rebel forces together, and with that confidence they would brave forging a new republic together. Meanwhile, Luke flew off into the sunset (deep space?) to parts unknown to reforge the jedi.
Well if there's one company that made a killing off Star Wars:
http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/starwars/wallpapers/lego-star-wars-the-game.jpg
Do you have any idea how many of these Lego sets were sold? I myself own an X-Wing, a land speeder, and the Bongo Bongo underwater craft just to name a few.
http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/starwars/wallpapers/lego-star-wars-the-game.jpg
Do you have any idea how many of these Lego sets were sold? I myself own an X-Wing, a land speeder, and the Bongo Bongo underwater craft just to name a few.
I can't possibly imagine how the 'dark' ending would have been any better.
Han dying in the second act after they spent the first act rescuing him from Carbonite? "Yay! We've finally saved Han from Jabba, and now we can go on to defeat the...OH NO! THEY KILLED HAN!". Talk about a wasted first half hour or so.
Luke walking off into the sunset? What reason would he have for doing that? He's got a family with the Rebellion, both literally (Sister Leia) and metaphorically. Even if the Rebellion is in disarray, he could still stay around to try to help put it back together. The only reason I can think of for him to walk off into he sunset would be if he suspected he would need to prepare to deal with his Sister and her new role down the road. Speaking of which...
Leia struggling with her new responsibilities as queen? Queen of what, the galaxy? After they just finished killing the Emperor? First, how does that fit with her character at all (yes, she's princess of a dead planet, and she's been fighting with a group who's purpose is to restore the republic), and why would a rebellion seeking to overthrow an Empire go along with putting a new monarch in charge?
Basically, as I see it, the 'dark' ending turns not just the movie, but the whole trilogy into a shaggy dog story. Or worse, a shoot the shaggy dog story.
The 'light' ending, on the other hand, more or less wraps up the storyline of IV-VI. Yes, you can argue "hey, but what about all the other Imperials?". But can you argue with the ending providing us with an image of a galaxy who's future is looking up, and leave us with hope that everything is going to work out in the end? As long as you don't think about it too much, the end of Jedi leaves you with the expectation that everything is going to turn out fine.
Even if you DO think about it too much, the Imperial fleet just watched their superweapon get blown to smithereens - that has got to be a HUGE blow to moral. Not long before that, they watched their flagship, the Executor, crash into said superweapon. What has to be another big blow to moral. Then, you have both the Emperor and his clear Successor dead on said superweapon. With their flagship gone, I can imagine the possibility about there being a lot of confusion about chain of command. Palpatine's dead, Vader's dead, Piett is dead, so who's in charge of the fleet now? Who's in charge of the Empire now? It's a breeding ground for infighting and the Empire tearing itself apart, leaving the unified Rebellion with the advantage.
Finally, when I think about it, the 'dark' ending actually grants more opportunity for further merchandising than the 'light' side. The 'light' ending pretty well wraps things up. It ends the trilogy, makes it more difficult to get a good entry point for a sequel without it feeling forced, which means without the movies, he has to go a different route to keep the tie-in merchandising going. The 'dark' ending, on the other hand, leaves open a perfect cliffhanger for a fourth installment, making it much easier for him to keep selling movie tie-in merchandise.
So if the light ending was chosen to sell more toys, then I'd say Lucas didn't think things out very well. Considering his foresight with things like getting the merchandising rights for the first movie, it leaves me a tad suspicious about the original claim of the article.
Some people may not like the way the movies turned out, but all things considered, I'm more or less willing to go along with accepting that the movies more or less fit with his vision. You may not like his 'vision', and perhaps there are times when someone could have stood to step in and say 'hey, maybe this isn't the greatest idea', but that doesn't mean Lucas is entirely driven by ulterior motives.
Han dying in the second act after they spent the first act rescuing him from Carbonite? "Yay! We've finally saved Han from Jabba, and now we can go on to defeat the...OH NO! THEY KILLED HAN!". Talk about a wasted first half hour or so.
Luke walking off into the sunset? What reason would he have for doing that? He's got a family with the Rebellion, both literally (Sister Leia) and metaphorically. Even if the Rebellion is in disarray, he could still stay around to try to help put it back together. The only reason I can think of for him to walk off into he sunset would be if he suspected he would need to prepare to deal with his Sister and her new role down the road. Speaking of which...
Leia struggling with her new responsibilities as queen? Queen of what, the galaxy? After they just finished killing the Emperor? First, how does that fit with her character at all (yes, she's princess of a dead planet, and she's been fighting with a group who's purpose is to restore the republic), and why would a rebellion seeking to overthrow an Empire go along with putting a new monarch in charge?
Basically, as I see it, the 'dark' ending turns not just the movie, but the whole trilogy into a shaggy dog story. Or worse, a shoot the shaggy dog story.
The 'light' ending, on the other hand, more or less wraps up the storyline of IV-VI. Yes, you can argue "hey, but what about all the other Imperials?". But can you argue with the ending providing us with an image of a galaxy who's future is looking up, and leave us with hope that everything is going to work out in the end? As long as you don't think about it too much, the end of Jedi leaves you with the expectation that everything is going to turn out fine.
Even if you DO think about it too much, the Imperial fleet just watched their superweapon get blown to smithereens - that has got to be a HUGE blow to moral. Not long before that, they watched their flagship, the Executor, crash into said superweapon. What has to be another big blow to moral. Then, you have both the Emperor and his clear Successor dead on said superweapon. With their flagship gone, I can imagine the possibility about there being a lot of confusion about chain of command. Palpatine's dead, Vader's dead, Piett is dead, so who's in charge of the fleet now? Who's in charge of the Empire now? It's a breeding ground for infighting and the Empire tearing itself apart, leaving the unified Rebellion with the advantage.
Finally, when I think about it, the 'dark' ending actually grants more opportunity for further merchandising than the 'light' side. The 'light' ending pretty well wraps things up. It ends the trilogy, makes it more difficult to get a good entry point for a sequel without it feeling forced, which means without the movies, he has to go a different route to keep the tie-in merchandising going. The 'dark' ending, on the other hand, leaves open a perfect cliffhanger for a fourth installment, making it much easier for him to keep selling movie tie-in merchandise.
So if the light ending was chosen to sell more toys, then I'd say Lucas didn't think things out very well. Considering his foresight with things like getting the merchandising rights for the first movie, it leaves me a tad suspicious about the original claim of the article.
Some people may not like the way the movies turned out, but all things considered, I'm more or less willing to go along with accepting that the movies more or less fit with his vision. You may not like his 'vision', and perhaps there are times when someone could have stood to step in and say 'hey, maybe this isn't the greatest idea', but that doesn't mean Lucas is entirely driven by ulterior motives.
ok ROTJ was great the way it turned out in my opinon and lets face it we already had dark with the horrible revenge of the sith prequel it just doesnt work well people would have been pissed. now i liked most of the first prequel movie (that said i was hopeing id see jar jar die later on that would of made it great
and as cartoon movies go the Clone wars animated movie was very well writen. now will a prequel ever be as good as the origenal? no why? because we know what happens! now can you still enjoy a prequel movie? yes if they do their job right.
and as cartoon movies go the Clone wars animated movie was very well writen. now will a prequel ever be as good as the origenal? no why? because we know what happens! now can you still enjoy a prequel movie? yes if they do their job right.
My only real complaint about Return of the Jedi is the Ewoks. Other than that I don't think it's all that bad, though I still like Empire Strikes Back better. I do like the happier ending, especially since the rest of the trilogy isn't all that dark in the first place. Sure, there are some serious moments, but nothing like what they were originally proposing as the ending.
