LulzSec hacks Nintendo, takes control of the FBI, and challenges NATO

[Gralian]

These Lulzsec people sound like they are kids to me, or at least very immature

In case you hadn't noticed, the internet is highly immature. Both in terms of its growth (the complete lack of any real regulations and extreme vulnerability to these kinds of hacks, viruses and criminal activity) due to its relative infancy, and the people within it, and the culture that has spawned from it, are also highly immature. One trip to 4chan will give you an idea of what i'm talking about, and while you might dismiss them as bumbling fools, it's those who are most 'immature' who are prone to being the most dangerous. The kinds of people who abuse a young girl to tears simply because it's funny. If you think kids can take down an FBI-affiliated website, or any website for that matter, successfully, deface it, and steal personal information then i'd love to meet them. I've heard of genius children, but that's pushing it.

I highly doubt that they will be able to resist bragging or making some mistake, it's only a matter of time before they screw up

The beauty of being able to manipulate the battlefield is being able to change the rules of the game. The difference between cyber crime and real world crime is that people are not in control of the situation, nor the environment. They are the ones being hunted, but in this instance, they are not. There is no hunt. LulzSec can afford to brag, because they're aware of what they do and do not have control of. If anything, bragging will make the enemy complacent rather than themselves. The idea that "they'll just slip up" is exactly the kind of complacency i'm talking about.

 

[JasonKaotic]

Early on in this situation I found it kind of funny (two /b/tard hacker groups at war with each other) but now it's starting to get worrying. If they do keep trying to one-up each other we could end up with some serious problems. I mean, both sides can seemingly hack pretty much anything by the seems of it, so we're all pretty much sitting ducks at this point.
But if it doesn't go all chaotic I'll return to laughing a little at their attempts to impress the world more than the other group.

 

[Bon_Clay]

I can't help but root for the underdog. I'm not American and I don't care for how their government runs, things like the FBI and CIA should not exist as they do today for the most part.

The only bad thing is this will probably have the opposite effect it should. Governments need to realize they don't own the internet, but this will probably result in them restricting it even more.

 

[Kopikatsu]

They claimed it was a SQL Injection. I'm still waiting for a security firm to make an official report on the exact damage caused, what Sony Picture's level of security was, and what method was used to obtain information.

Anyway, the fact that they hacked Nintendo and Infragard Atlanta is definitely a testament. Maybe not Nintendo, but check the Infragard Atlanta Alliance out. (Link's in the first post.)

...Unless that wasn't sarcasm. Then...I apologize.

No, I meant that their initial SQL attack made it seem like they were novice, but clearly they most definitely aren't.

I see little reason for them to lie about an SQL Injection. These guys are relatively new to blackhatting, most times some new group arrives it wants to pretend it pulled off the most ferocious hack that's ever existed, not downplay it to a weak database level unexpected query. Unless they're trying to tarnish Sony, I suppose.

Well, that was the suspicion of mine. They've claimed multiple times that their intention is to bring Sony down. The ONLY way to do that with such a massive corporation would be to tarnish their name and get people to turn away from the brand.

Hence my skepticism. Especially since security is Sony's major issue and has been even before LulzSec showed up...and they've proven themselves to be able to get into secure databases with little difficulty.

 

[eels05]

They asked for donations after exposing how many peoples credit details to the general public?

 

[Kopikatsu]

They asked for donations after exposing how many peoples credit details to the general public?

and yet they've gotten over $160 in donations and a server by this point.

Not sure what's more worrying. LulzSec's attacks or the fact that so many people are supporting them.

 

[BGH122]

They claimed it was a SQL Injection. I'm still waiting for a security firm to make an official report on the exact damage caused, what Sony Picture's level of security was, and what method was used to obtain information.

Anyway, the fact that they hacked Nintendo and Infragard Atlanta is definitely a testament. Maybe not Nintendo, but check the Infragard Atlanta Alliance out. (Link's in the first post.)

...Unless that wasn't sarcasm. Then...I apologize.

No, I meant that their initial SQL attack made it seem like they were novice, but clearly they most definitely aren't.

I see little reason for them to lie about an SQL Injection. These guys are relatively new to blackhatting, most times some new group arrives it wants to pretend it pulled off the most ferocious hack that's ever existed, not downplay it to a weak database level unexpected query. Unless they're trying to tarnish Sony, I suppose.

Well, that was the suspicion of mine. They've claimed multiple times that their intention is to bring Sony down. The ONLY way to do that with such a massive corporation would be to tarnish their name and get people to turn away from the brand.

Hence my skepticism. Especially since security is Sony's major issue and has been even before LulzSec showed up...and they've proven themselves to be able to get into secure databases with little difficulty.

Well if they've declared Sony a target then I'd also opt for waiting it out before accepting it's an SQL Injection. I would be shockingly novice to leave a database open to incorrect type handling mere weeks after recovering from a major attack.

Sure, I'll play it your way and reserve judgement for now.

They asked for donations after exposing how many peoples credit details to the general public?

and yet they've gotten over $160 in donations and a server by this point.

Not sure what's more worrying. LulzSec's attacks or the fact that so many people are supporting them.

People want to see the chaos. I've seen worse to be honest, people killing people just to cause strife over some slight, real or imagined. But hey, I went to school in a pretty bad area.

 

[FalloutJack]

They asked for donations after exposing how many peoples credit details to the general public?

and yet they've gotten over $160 in donations and a server by this point.

Not sure what's more worrying. LulzSec's attacks or the fact that so many people are supporting them.

My vote goes to the latter. Dumb people always cause more trouble than whatever the initial cause.

 

[Ice Car]

These Lulzsec people sound like they are kids to me, or at least very immature

In case you hadn't noticed, the internet is highly immature. Both in terms of its growth (the complete lack of any real regulations and extreme vulnerability to these kinds of hacks, viruses and criminal activity) due to its relative infancy, and the people within it, and the culture that has spawned from it, are also highly immature. One trip to 4chan will give you an idea of what i'm talking about, and while you might dismiss them as bumbling fools, it's those who are most 'immature' who are prone to being the most dangerous. The kinds of people who abuse a young girl to tears simply because it's funny

I call ppl who get mad and show hate because of those things more immature. 40% of the posters of this threads are insulting lulzsec for what??? So they can feel better through comparison against someone that has better skills than them... Psychologically i would definitely prefer those ppl who do it for teh lulz compared to most ppl on this thread

These people at least can do something

Are you ignorant? You can't even see how this can have repurcussions on the WHOLE DAMN INTERNET? You'd prefer hackers, that have just performed an act that could potentially change the internet forever, than people who think negatively of such a thing?

 

[Kopikatsu]

I would be shockingly novice to leave a database open to incorrect type handling mere weeks after recovering from a major attack.

Sure, I'll play it your way and reserve judgement for now.

Eh, I was merely mentioning public opinion. Honestly, the different branches of Sony are basically unaffiliated in all ways save the name. Just because SCEA buffed up security doesn't mean that any other Sony branch would have felt the need to. (They SHOULD have, but I could also understand their point of view if they didn't.)

The proof is in the pudding. If you look in the thread about Sony Pictures being hacked, people started freaking out about PSN because they understood the situation as SCEA = Sony Pictures just because both have the name 'Sony' in them, but that's not really true.

 

[Theron Julius]

What? So they fucked with the FBI, Nintendo, PBS, and Sony and then challenge the US government and NATO and expect to get away scott-free?? I can't tell whether they're terrorists or idiots. Either way I hope they enjoy prison.

 

[BGH122]

These Lulzsec people sound like they are kids to me, or at least very immature

In case you hadn't noticed, the internet is highly immature. Both in terms of its growth (the complete lack of any real regulations and extreme vulnerability to these kinds of hacks, viruses and criminal activity) due to its relative infancy, and the people within it, and the culture that has spawned from it, are also highly immature. One trip to 4chan will give you an idea of what i'm talking about, and while you might dismiss them as bumbling fools, it's those who are most 'immature' who are prone to being the most dangerous. The kinds of people who abuse a young girl to tears simply because it's funny

I call ppl who get mad and show hate because of those things more immature. 40% of the posters of this threads are insulting lulzsec for what??? So they can feel better through comparison against someone that has better skills than them... Psychologically i would definitely prefer those ppl who do it for teh lulz compared to most ppl on this thread

These people at least can do something

Are you ignorant? You can't even see how this can have repurcussions on the WHOLE DAMN INTERNET? You'd prefer hackers, that have just performed an act that could potentially change the internet forever, than people who think negatively of such a thing?

The nails are already set in the free information age's coffin. DNS filtering is a nasty precedent that'll just lead to nastier things.

At this point it won't matter what happens next. Even if another hacking group takes LulzSec down (which I honestly don't see happening) this'll still be proof to the people in Washington that the internet is the new Wild West and needs to be culled.

Not sure what the repercussions will be, but either way we've had the HBGary takedown and now this spree in just the (under) first half of this year alone. It's not looking good for average Joe and Joanna's freedoms.

I would be shockingly novice to leave a database open to incorrect type handling mere weeks after recovering from a major attack.

Sure, I'll play it your way and reserve judgement for now.

Eh, I was merely mentioning public opinion. Honestly, the different branches of Sony are basically unaffiliated in all ways save the name. Just because SCEA buffed up security doesn't mean that any other Sony branch would have felt the need to. (They SHOULD have, but I could also understand their point of view if they didn't.)

The proof is in the pudding. If you look in the thread about Sony Pictures being hacked, people started freaking out about PSN because they understood the situation as SCEA = Sony Pictures just because both have the name 'Sony' in them, but that's not really true.

Whilst it's true that they're not equivalent, it'd still be an unacceptable security breach given that lazy high ranking corporate types demand higher level access than they need in systems and then re-use passwords.

 

[ejb626]

LulzSec is starting to really piss me off, mostly because they seem to be doing this just to be dicks and if there's anything I can't stand its people doing things like this for the sole purpose of being a douche. What makes me even madder is that I, knowing nothing about hacking, am absolutely powerless to do anything against them. Also how untouchable they seem to think they are honestly there are a million things about this group that piss me off. I know they're skilled hackers and all but PLEASE, FBI catch them!

 

[neonsword13-ops]

There's always somebody that doesn't need a computer... or obvious hacking skills.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Whilst it's true that they're not equivalent, it'd still be an unacceptable security breach given that lazy high ranking corporate types demand higher level access than they need in systems and then re-use passwords.

Eh, I can agree with that. I feel like their incompetence (If they were indeed incompetent) isn't as big an issue as it should have been, since LulzSec cracked the IAA without too much trouble.

 

[Xanian]

What's that? Oh, it's the sound of a bunch of new regulations coming and the government having more access to my personal information thanks to these guys.

OMG so funny!!!11!!1

 

[BGH122]

LulzSec is starting to really piss me off, mostly because they seem to be doing this just to be dicks and if there's anything I can't stand its people doing things like this for the sole purpose of being a douche. What makes me even madder is that I, knowing nothing about hacking, am absolutely powerless to do anything against them. Also how untouchable they seem to think they are honestly there are a million things about this group that pisses me off. I know they're skilled hackers and all but PLEASE, FBI catch them!

I wouldn't fret on it. Individuals are actually far, far better protected against hacking attacks than major companies thanks to the fact that almost all broadband ISPs use DHCP. Unless an individual actively downloads something dodgy or goes to very dodgy websites with hacked banners, the individual has little to fear unless the ISP itself is hit. Companies, on the other hand, present a static target that needs to have database handling applications to work which opens the way for a plethora of attacks.

To analogise out of computer speak, it'd be like the difference between briefly catching the bus through a bad neighbourhood and actively standing out on the corner day and night.

Whilst it's true that they're not equivalent, it'd still be an unacceptable security breach given that lazy high ranking corporate types demand higher level access than they need in systems and then re-use passwords.

Eh, I can agree with that. I feel like their incompetence (If they were indeed incompetent) isn't as big an issue as it should have been, since LulzSec cracked the IAA without too much trouble.

Whilst it's true that the hacking of a high security site will mitigate any bad press, it doesn't necessarily mean that Sony took the security measures they should have taken. It all rests in the hypothetical: if a group less skilled than LulzSec chanced a hack at Sony's site, would it have succeeded? I guess we'll never know, unless LS can provide proof for their claims.

 

[iDoom46]

All this hacking malarkey is getting out of hand.

I usually get a good chuckle out of reading about the exploits of Anonymous and friends, but ever since this PSN debacle, things have been happening far too frequently and getting increasingly less funny.

Now it just seems like they're going around kicking sand in everybody's faces, screaming "Come at me, bro!" just because they can. Its one thing to do something "for teh lulz", and then there's just being huge raging dick.

And I'm also getting pretty tired of debating about 'the nature of Anonymous' on various forums (and even with people in real life).

 

[R.Nevermore]

These Lulzsec people sound like they are kids to me, or at least very immature

In case you hadn't noticed, the internet is highly immature. Both in terms of its growth (the complete lack of any real regulations and extreme vulnerability to these kinds of hacks, viruses and criminal activity) due to its relative infancy, and the people within it, and the culture that has spawned from it, are also highly immature. One trip to 4chan will give you an idea of what i'm talking about, and while you might dismiss them as bumbling fools, it's those who are most 'immature' who are prone to being the most dangerous. The kinds of people who abuse a young girl to tears simply because it's funny

I call ppl who get mad and show hate because of those things more immature. 40% of the posters of this threads are insulting lulzsec for what??? So they can feel better through comparison against someone that has better skills than them... Psychologically i would definitely prefer those ppl who do it for teh lulz compared to most ppl on this thread

These people at least can do something

Wait... what? Because we're insulting the treasonous criminal hackers, we must be jealous? Are you serious?

Oh and by the way, we're not saying that we wish we could do it instead of them... if that's what you think. They need to be stopped before they cause some REAL damage.