LulzSec hacks Nintendo, takes control of the FBI, and challenges NATO

[tehroc]

LulzSec is US government conspiracy to place draconian control over the internet. Soon if they dont like the things you post on the internet you'll be detained as an enemy combatant. They are already musing over allowing military operations against hackers. Keep going down that slippery slope America.

 

[bam13302]

anyone else find this situation humorous?
We (by we i mean the US government) has basically declared war on an unknown adversary that is potentially spread across the world, we have big guns, but dont have a clue where to aim them
while "lulzsec" gradually rips open every soft spot they can find
i am mildly curious how any direct attack on the government will pan out, and i think that lulzsec might just win...
wow

 

[Lilani]

-snip-

That's all fine and dandy, but LulzSec isn't doing this as some sort of crusade for freedom. If anything, this will make lawmakers more scared of the Internet and many who would have ignored the problem before will now call out for regulation. They fully realize that, and yet they don't care. They're doing it anyway.

They're just doing this because they can. They are pointing out the holes in the security of these organizations. So put a hold on your Ben Franklin quotes and just think about the consequences of this for a minute--not just for them, but for everyone.

First, investigations and lawsuits will put Sony into further financial distress. It could very well get to a point where they have to start letting people go while they lick their legal and financial wounds. The suits and trials resulting from all this could go on for years.

And I'm not saying Sony doesn't deserve it. If what they said about Sony's security was true (because at this point, all of the news regarding this has come from LulzSec itself. Sony has confirmed nothing), then I think they do deserve to have a cigarette or two put out in their eye. Treating such valuable information so flippantly is inexcusable.

As for the FBI and NATO, it's the same thing. They're doing it because they can. They brought down that little outlet FBI web site and compromised their information just to prove they could do it. And they are using the knowledge that they've informed the FBI of their (apparently) lackluster security as a way of legitimizing their actions.

But here's the thing: If you break into someone's house and steal their TV, the law doesn't care why you stole the TV. They don't care if you stole it for shits and giggles or so you could sell it to feed your starving children. The fact is you stole a TV. Why you stole it does not make it any more right or wrong in the eyes of the law.

The same goes with them. Who cares why they're doing it? The fact is they are committing acts of cyberterrorism and (if they are American) treason, and the repercussions from what they've done will continue to negatively affect people for quite a long time. What LulzSec is doing will not cause any improvements in the field of Internet and Information freedom. If anything, their actions will bring us closer to China's way of running the Internet.

I'm not saying it's a battle that doesn't need to be fought. I'm simply saying they have chosen both the wrong people to fight and the wrong way of fighting.

 

[Srdjan Tanaskovic]

So they finally decided to go pants on head retarded and hack FBI?


Yeah I expect them to be taken down and thrown into jail be a week or so

 

[viranimus]

That's all fine and dandy, but LulzSec isn't doing this as some sort of crusade for freedom. If anything, this will make lawmakers more scared of the Internet and many who would have ignored the problem before will now call out for regulation. They fully realize that, and yet they don't care. They're doing it anyway.

They're just doing this because they can. They are pointing out the holes in the security of these organizations. So put a hold on your Ben Franklin quotes and just think about the consequences of this for a minute--not just for them, but for everyone.

First, investigations and lawsuits will put Sony into further financial distress. It could very well get to a point where they have to start letting people go while they lick their legal and financial wounds. The suits and trials resulting from all this could go on for years.

And I'm not saying Sony doesn't deserve it. If what they said about Sony's security was true (because at this point, all of the news regarding this has come from LulzSec itself. Sony has confirmed nothing), then I think they do deserve to have a cigarette or two put out in their eye. Treating such valuable information so flippantly is inexcusable.

As for the FBI and NATO, it's the same thing. They're doing it because they can. They brought down that little outlet FBI web site and compromised their information just to prove they could do it. And they are using the knowledge that they've informed the FBI of their (apparently) lackluster security as a way of legitimizing their actions.

But here's the thing: If you break into someone's house and steal their TV, the law doesn't care why you stole the TV. They don't care if you stole it for shits and giggles or so you could sell it to feed your starving children. The fact is you stole a TV. Why you stole it does not make it any more right or wrong in the eyes of the law.

The same goes with them. Who cares why they're doing it? The fact is they are committing acts of cyberterrorism and (if they are American) treason, and the repercussions from what they've done will continue to negatively affect people for quite a long time. What LulzSec is doing will not cause any improvements in the field of Internet and Information freedom. If anything, their actions will bring us closer to China's way of running the Internet.

I'm not saying it's a battle that doesn't need to be fought. I'm simply saying they have chosen both the wrong people to fight and the wrong way of fighting.

Hey I agree. Lulzsec is not a good example of what to do, or how to do it. I am just stating that they the monster that has been birthed from over 15 years of laziness, irresponsibility and neglect by the general net populous.

However in a sense the direction is somewhat right in that the net needs to be completely devoid of any sort of governmental/corporate intrusion. These attacks illustrate how ineffectual these entities are. If anything, if the internet exists in the Chinese fashion, you might as well say.. Hey, we didnt realize what freedom actually was when we said you can have the internet, so were taking it away from you now because you do things we dont like. and then just shut off access completely. That in and of itself is sort of the point NO government should have that ability, and for some reason the docile populous thinks they never would. These attacks are painfully illustrating to the people that, yes, they can and will if it interferes with their interests. And please dont get confused. If we continue to sit docile, the fear of a chinese-esque internet is just as real. It might take longer to come about, but it will happen.

Look at the situation with Anon. Anon did a much better job of doing this, and did so in a more positive fashion. And what was the problem? People still didnt get it. You saw people being ambivalent, and even in opposition to it. It just wasnt working. So it is not surprising that escalation became the next response. Its not right, But its not unexpected.
We as a people have created this monster by ignoring our duty to protect the freedom of the internet. By ignoring the responsibility we have fostered the breeding grounds of these types of groups. Now that this monster has fully grown we cannot act surprised or even angry that its knocked down a few buildings. Getting Mad ad Lulzsec or Anon is not going to accomplish anything. Waiting for the government to step in and fix the problem is not going to accomplish anything we want.


OT: I understand now. The 2012 Mayan apocalypse is heralding the end of the world..... wide web.

 

[Kopikatsu]

They brought down that little outlet FBI web site and compromised their information just to prove they could do it. And they are using the knowledge that they've informed the FBI of their (apparently) lackluster security as a way of legitimizing their actions.

Actually, they attacked the IA because that's the section that specializes in cyber security and had created the IAA in order to better protect against hacking attempts. Basically, they did it to show that even a federal agency devoted to cyber security can't stop them.

In other news, LulzSec's donations are currently at $446.31. Once again, Who is giving them this money?

 

[chumble]

-sighs- Attacking the FBI was probably the worst possible thing they could have done.

 

[Kolby Jack]

They brought down that little outlet FBI web site and compromised their information just to prove they could do it. And they are using the knowledge that they've informed the FBI of their (apparently) lackluster security as a way of legitimizing their actions.

Actually, they attacked the IA because that's the section that specializes in cyber security and had created the IAA in order to better protect against hacking attempts. Basically, they did it to show that even a federal agency devoted to cyber security can't stop them.

In other news, LulzSec's donations are currently at $446.31. Once again, Who is giving them this money?

Teenage anarchists who think they know anything and everything about how the world works?

And while they are committing a major crime, it's not like they are threatening our national security. Classified information is always kept on SIPRnet, which you CAN NOT access from a non-SIPRnet computer. The only reason that wikileaks idiot was able to get that information is because he had access and he abused it (like an idiot). So yea, they hacked the FBI, but they haven't and can never really hack hack the FBI.

 

[Lilani]

In other news, LulzSec's donations are currently at $446.31. Once again, Who is giving them this money?

Check their Twitter feed. Some people damn near worship them. It's scary.

 

[Rhymenoceros]

I only heard about them recently but they seem pretty powerful for "just a bunch of kids messing about" as they were first thought to be by a lot of people (me and my mates, maybe some other people" since they announce everything they do. Then succeed.

And as the OP pointed out. who is giving them money?!

And I reckon the life expectancy of The Lulzboat has dropped from "who knows-maybe forever" when they were hacking Sony and Nintendo to "a few months max" now they're targeting government agencies

 

[Kopikatsu]

And SONY hacked yet again, this time apparently SONY Europe
http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/04/sony-europe-hacked-by-lebanese-hacker-again/

Yeaaaah, I already made a separate thread for that half an hour or an hour ago 'cause it wasn't LulzSec who did it.

 

[FalloutJack]

Backwards thinking there, boss. Completely wrong direction and in no way cool or true.

This is going to end so badly for Lulzsec and if they don't have some kind of moral message I can't really get behind them like I did for Anonymous during the Wikileaks scenario.

This

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20532-pentagon-may-fight-cyberwar-with-rockets.html

So if they're just some kids dicking around to show off then I see this ending in RocketLulz for me.

That would be fucking hilarious.

Hacker 1: Hey, we've got incoming missles!

Hacker 2: So, hack 'em!

Hacker 1: I can't get access!

[HEADING=1]BOOOOOMMM!!![/HEADING]

Fighter Jet Pilot: Who ever heard of wireless internet access on mah missles?

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

And here is LulzSec's declaration of war against the US and NATO

Fuck it, I give up on trying to understand these guys.

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
In response to @Nardiskia suggesting people donate to charities instead of us, we are now donating some funds to help Libyan medical care.

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
"Thank you very much for your donation of $80 to the Red Cross - Libya & Region Appeal" #SeriousAssistanceSaturday but really, fuck you FBI.

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Every Saturday is now #SeriousAssistanceSaturday where I encourage everyone to make some kind of donation to people in need.

I'm starting to see LulzSec as the embodiment of the Joker (From Batman).

They're literally agents of Chaos by this point. They have no cohesion...

Then that would make anonymous... Batman?

They HAVE been called the batman on the internet before...

 

[Cheesus333]

This is oddly fascinating. For some reason I can't get it out of my head that it will actually culminate in a situation not dissimilar to I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.

Spoiler: Thought Process

Stage 1. US Government goes all out with computer security, which over years ends up as developing a fully-fledged AI supercomputer. Uh-oh.

Stage 2. Cogito ergo sum.

Stage 3. Asimov's laws get fucked in the arse, and humanity is enslaved.

Probably not gonna happen, but still... when the Allied Mastercomputer is complete, ready your suicide pills.

 

[Akytalusia]

I just wish there was something i could do to help.

 

[Retosa]

Now don't get me wrong, I have no special love for Sony, i play on X-Box. But do you honestly think Sony, a multi-billion dollar international technology company doesn't have at least one IT guy with some hacking experience on board? The problem is as soon as you close one hole, another will open and some must be kept open to keep online commerce open. There is no prefect system. Not only that, being defensive means a they are reactionary, it is hard to be on the attack when you don't know who is going to hack next.

It is not just a simply black and white do this and be safe forever world they work in.

I agree, Sony needs to "up its game" if they want to continue. The initial attacks made their point. This is also a sign that we as people of the 21 century need to change our own attitudes of cyber security. Sony as well as everyone else (that includes Microsoft) needs to stiffen up there security, start trusting security experts instead of lawyers and treat there customers as business partners instead of possible criminals.

You saw that extra credits too then.

Also you misunderstood what I said. I was saying I have a feeling sony is already doing this, but it isn't as cut and dry as hire more goons and armed guards to stand in front of the servers.

They did hire at least three security firms somewhat recently to help revamp their security. However, I have no idea how long that takes (A month for PSN, but they had to completely recreate it), so I can't comment on if the security firms have been doing their jobs or not.

I prefer giving corporations the benefit of the doubt because no one else on this site will, and it gets boring if we all agree. Also speaking as a 29/almost 30 year old working a real 9-5 job processing information all day, and I know most people here are 20ish and in school. Recoding, pouring over lines of code, looking for ways to beef things up takes more than a light afternoon. Sony and other corporations will be fighting an ever changing beast to keep their services up and accessible to the customer.

Sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but considering their entire database was pretty much emptied because of a simple bit of SQL Injection, and considering the passwords were in PLAINTEXT, it means that they didn't even do the MINIMUM required amount of work. This has nothing to do with pouring over code figuring out how to beef it up. However, I will confess that if I were to sit down at a security job like that, it wouldn't be "How do I beef this up?", it would be "What is this I don't even... Where do I start!?", followed by bringing the site down for 'planned maintenance' and grabbing some easily available (and free!) code that is more secure than that, followed by ensuring the passwords were encrypted. Considering even free access websites do a better job of securing themselves than that... I mean, seriously... SQL injection... Really.

Computer dicked up. Sorry about that. Anywho...

That's if you take a criminal organization's word at face value...and keep in mind, they've explicitly stated that they want to bring down Sony and discredit it.

On the other hand, Sony and a few security firms claim that Sony had pretty up to date security along with hashed information.

I'm going to side with Sony on this one, especially considering that LulzSec has proved to be capable of breaking into very secure networks with minimal trouble (They cracked IAA after all).

Considering they counted down to the time, then not horribly long after their operation started they were posting the information they got... I'd have to say I believe that the injection worked. Remember, Sony is a company that wants to save face after all. Of course they're going to pay a lot of money to have a security company come in and claim "No, we actually have pretty good security". Also note that it depends on which network is being inspected. How do we know that the network that was attacked was one that the security firm checked? They have been focusing so heavily on PSN that I'm willing to bet they haven't thought of the other areas... Oh, and Sony is actually pretty well known being susceptible to SQL Injection attacks lately... Source [http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/04/sony-europe-hacked-by-lebanese-hacker-again/] and Source [http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/05/25/sony-ericsson-acknowledges-canadian-e-commerce-site-hacked/]. So I'm actually incredibly willing to believe that they have been taken out by yet ANOTHER SQL Injection attack.

 

[Total LOLige]

My name is Special Agent Ken, I am in charge of all non investigations. I conducted the non investigation of http://www.killercop.com. I am now non investigating you.

what the hell is a non investigation

 

[Twilight_guy]

Hacking the FBI is not a good idea. They aren't going to roll over and take it. If you piss them off they will find your ass and nail it to the wall. On top of that, its the God damn FBI. I don't care what skillz you have, they have the resources and the manpower to track your stupid ass down. That's like walking up to a vicious guard dog and slapping it in the face.

 

[hazabaza1]

Ugh, great.
Yet more people causing people to think that the internet is filled with nobody but idiots.