Lulzsec Members Are Going To Jail
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It's simply an understanding civilized people have that the law is there for a reason.Danny Ocean said:
As much as I agree with you, you should probably add a bit more to your post to avoid a warning for low content.fleischwolke said:
They'll probably go to a minimum security prison for a few months before being released, but they'll be monitored for a long time beyond that. Their lives aren't being ruined by this.
And what reason is that, oh civiliser of barbarians like myself? For however else shall I possibly divine the true purpose of the state and its laws, but by asking you?HellbirdIV said:
They broke into and denied access to people's property, stole private and sensitive information, and released that private and sensitive information publicly. They broke certain systems - which took time and money to fix - invaded government/military computers, and one had pedophilia material on his computer.Danny Ocean said:
If you want to make a case as to how that's not morally wrong, then be my guest.
There are degrees of wrongness, which is why we don't have the death penalty or freedom as the only two options.TKretts3 said:
Earlier, the person I quoted was advocating life imprisonment for these people, purely on the argument that they broke the law.
That is a terrible argument, because the punishment should fit the morality of the crime.
Ok, I laughed. Alot. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. They have no regard for others (at least from what I have seen) and are just outright dicks.
Capatcha: "Stop wasting time"
Ok cappy, whatever you say.
Capatcha: "Stop wasting time"
Ok cappy, whatever you say.
I think their sentencing is fair enough. They'll be up for parole very quickly anyway; within months I'm guessing. It'll be minimum security - they'll basically be with free board and food, only they're not allowed to leave and have a bunch of guards to answer to.Danny Ocean said:
To me, this serves as more of a 'don't fucking do this, seriously' warning to others more than a punishment, and a pretty effective lesson to the convicted themselves about how not to be complete idiots with their computers.
If you read the rest of the guy I'm arguing with you'll see why I'm angry.Sansha said:
I think this sentencing is fine and pretty much proportionate.
I do not agree that we should simply throw them into a hole and lock away the key.
Agreed. They're not murderers, they're not malicious, and they're very likely not going to do so much as tip over a public trash can after actually being caught when they firmly believed they were anonymous and undetectable.Danny Ocean said:
Wanting to throw 'em in the slammer forever is ridiculous - this coming from the same kind of people who criticize the IRAA for their obscene sentencing.
I would argue the Computer is more dangerous due to who easily some ones life can be destroyed, and these little shits have pretty much proven to have no regard for other peopleSmashLovesTitanQuest said:
one could quite easily argue these hackers have about as much in the way of moral standing as most the people against them on this thread.Danny Ocean said:
cause if you can tell me how posting some ones person info, breaking systems that take time and money to fix, taunting the authority, attacked government and military hardware, and apparently one likes looking at little kids.
and your going to seriously try and argue me not give even the slightest fuck what happens to them in prison, is some how worse?
Probably because they weren't anywhere near as good at hacking as they thought. Especially considering the government of pretty much any country can afford to pay good money for people who have far more experience and technical skills than these guys, to hack or trace others.idarkphoenixi said:
Let's be honest here, if they were so good that they could hack government level websites or servers and not get caught, they would be millionaires living on a tropical island. If not from doing it themselves, then by selling that knowledge to other people.
Agreed, looking at the harm they caused the sentences they received were a slap on the wrist.Lunar Templar said:
I think it was the guardian which tried to sensationalize 30 months as a very lengthy sentence for the crime. I would of expected the sentences to range from 36 to 72 months, when compared to sentences received by con artists adding their own additional indiscretions like the "indecent images of children".
They deserve it. Unlike Anonymous who plan on using their powers for good and enlightenment of others and wish to right wrongs, these morons decided to do what they did. Enjoy prison and hope you get traded for cigs a lot.
I was directly impacted by the hackings, and had to change a lot of my banking information. It sucks, and ruined a weekend, but it wasn't like they shot my mum or something.
I think the sentence is reasonable, as long as they're monitored when they leave. I hope prison is scary, because that's sort of the point, but I definitely don't wish any actual trauma to them while they're there. Nobody deserves to get raped, and prison rape is a major problem. The fact that some people think that they can justify it is just disgusting - These people are worse than the people going to jail for hacking in some ways.
I think the sentence is reasonable, as long as they're monitored when they leave. I hope prison is scary, because that's sort of the point, but I definitely don't wish any actual trauma to them while they're there. Nobody deserves to get raped, and prison rape is a major problem. The fact that some people think that they can justify it is just disgusting - These people are worse than the people going to jail for hacking in some ways.
You know, this always bothers me when I see it. I can't really remember what they did, nor do I care that much, but just seeing this sets off alarm bells in my head. The law isn't always right. In fact the law can very easily be twisted by those in power to their own ends, and those ends could be anything from freedom and safety to constant surveillance of citizens or even your own death.Lunar Templar said:
Don't ever swear blindly by the law, always question it, ask why, speak up when things seem amiss.
I believe it's best to maintain a healthy sense of paranoia towards those in power, that way you spot bad intentions before they're acted upon. See SOPA, PIPA, CISPA and that other one.
Failing that, if everything goes tits up we can always have some of those revolution thingies the middle-east seem to be quite fond of at the moment.
This guy gets it! I think...Danny Ocean said:
You don't really understand Anonymous do you? Anyone can be part of anonymous, there's no central leadership or anything like that. It's a hivemind basically, there are little clusters all over the internet, mostly on the various *chans. So Anonymous has no goals or intentions. People who act Anonymously have goals and intentions, but ultimately Anonymous is just a vague collection of internet users.Mayamellissa said:
At least the authorities are no longer locking them up in solitary because they're deathly afraid that the hackers might get the chance to use their magical hacking voodoo whistles [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick#Arrest.2C_conviction.2C_and_incarceration] to deploy the nation's nuclear arsenal.