LulzSec Nabs Source Code for Sony Dev Site

[DanDeFool]

I guess "make.believe" refers to the type of network security Sony has in place. XD

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

This is just like kicking someone while there down, it's not right.
'UGH, Well maybe after months they should get better secruity HURDURDUR.'
It's not that easy, especially when your fending of hackers EVERYDAY.

 

[Mxrz]

At this point, you can pretty much just shout "I HACKED SONY OMG" and point to a random text file and the internet media will eat it up and plaster it all over the front page. Gotta get dem hits!

 

[Schoengeist]

A concise history of recent Sony hacks:
http://attrition.org/security/rants/sony_aka_sownage.html

That reminds me of 6 years ago, when Sony's rootkit came to surface and a Sony rep said, it wouldn't matter because most of its customers don't know what a rootkit is anyway.

 

[erztez]

A concise history of recent Sony hacks:
http://attrition.org/security/rants/sony_aka_sownage.html

That reminds me of 6 years ago, when Sony's rootkit came to surface and a Sony rep said, it wouldn't matter because most of its customers don't know what a rootkit is anyway.

That's what some of us have been saying for a while.

This isn't an unprovoked attack.

Sony tried to hack us before, now they're getting a taste of their own medicine...

Also, remember SecuROM? Who was it that designed that shit?

Oh, right, Sony.

Let 'em burn.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

2011: The year Sony was royally buggered!

 

[A-D.]

The Irony is for me, i thought about getting DC Universe Online later in the Year, i.e. Summer before the hacks started. For the record, its published by SOE aka Sony. Now i'll prolly not do so because..well, its apparently fun beating on a dead Horse or something. I mean repeated Attacks is one thing, where you keep on pushing to see if they improved anything. But if you keep that going the entire Time, you dont really give them a Chance to do anything.

How are they supposed to upgrade anything anywhere when they are under constant attack? That being said, its only a matter of time before other Groups become active and piss over LulzSec simply because they think "its enough now", not to defend Sony, just to stop the whole "lets hack sony"-movement thats going now.

So really it becomes a Question of what happens first, LulzSec gives up and calls it quits, the Feds act and go after them (not just the US mind you) or some other Hacker Group starts actively hacking LulzSec in return.

 

[Gralian]

First off, LulzSec didn't fail to acquire any user data from Nintendo. They specifically chose not to take any. They were only after a server configuration. If you paid attention to their tweets, you'd know they are big Sega and Nintendo fans. (Primarily because of the Nintendo 64. Also my favourite console, funnily enough)
LulzSec also leaked this source code through a 54MB download and posted it on their twitter feed. Making Sony look even worse.

 

[Latinidiot]

God damnit, Sony, If you don't stand up to these bullies (I.E. learn basic self defnce), they'll never leave you alone! And you, bullies! Curse you and your annoying ways!

 

[Sentox6]

Are you seriously saying Sony is the worst offender of what you say? Is this really how you justify the massive damage these hackings have done?

Sony is certainly a relevant offender for the tech crowd. Whether they are the worst or not depends on individual perspective to some degree, and I'm not convinced it particularly matters. If you're morally against these hackings, as you claim, then it's entirely irrelevant. If you're for it, I still see no compelling need to develop a scale on which to prioritise the greatest offender.

Your metaphor doesn't apply as it's not just treating the person badly in turn (as in, speaking with your wallet and never buying from the company again) but going to their house, stealing and messing up their stuff and actively trying to ruin their life.

These metaphor arguments are inherently subjective. The problem lies in actual practice. The majority is often characterised by apathy, so the minority that is motivated enough to take action in response to Sony's customer interactions won't achieve anything with an individually measured response. As you point out below, Sony is a company of considerable scale, and action against them necessarily must be of a significant scale also.

As it stands, I'm not actively in support of these hackers, and I won't go as far as to make a case for their actions as being 'right', given the repercussions on customers (and possibly employees, depending on how serious this becomes). I'm just not going to shed one tear of sympathy on the behalf of Sony as an entity. They stuck their... hand... into the wasp's nest, as far as I'm concerned. It's also painfully apparent their security is sub-par (an SQL injection; really, Sony?). If I leave my house unlocked and get robbed, I will blame myself.

Bringing up the Japanese earthquake isn't retarded nor is it a free pass, it's awareness of context, which one should have before pronoucing such decisive judgements on a company of this scale, or any scale really.

It's an irrelevant context. Besides, Sony is not solely a Japanese entity.

Edit: Also if we are going to start introducing psychology,look up kohlbergs stages of moral reasoning. I think it's rather relevant to the stance you're agreeing with ¬¬

I did, and I'm afraid I don't see the relevance.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Especially since the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, and a slew of other multinational departments are already on the case of the PSN Network hack.

PSN Network? Playstation Network Network?

Sorry, it was just a minor thing that bugged me. D:

 

[ArmorArmadillo]

Can someone please hack Lulzsec. In the face. with an ax/

 

[piplink]

because of all this im selling my psp and getting an xbox internet adaptor, i'll only buy a ps3 if this whole thing blows over and there is no risk to my dad's credit card.

 

[crazythunder83]

Especially since the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, and a slew of other multinational departments are already on the case of the PSN Network hack.

PSN Network? Playstation Network Network?

Sorry, it was just a minor thing that bugged me. D:

I think you're splitting hairs there Mr. Perfect

 

[-|-]

And i mentioned fanboys, maybe next time i will say you instead.

I read your entire post. The fact that you think I'm a fanboy says more about you than me.

I can totally understand not wanting to buy sony's products. But what it comes down to is this and only this:

- If you think the products are shit, then don't buy them.
- If you think the tech is a backwards step, then don't buy it.
- If you don't like the 'rental' model for a product then don't buy it.
- If you think they can't be trusted with your data then don't give them it.
- If you don't like the terms and conditions applied to the services, then don't use them.

If enough people agree with you then the market will do the work.

What I really don't understand is the hatred and the wanting to bring sony down. Plenty of people do like their products, have fun with them etc. But, oh no, people like you see these people as idiots and you would like to see their freedom to purchase them removed.

It's the same with your contempt for apple users. I really don't like their products or their business model. But you know what I do? I simply don't buy anything made by them. You know what I don't do? Engage in criminal behaviour and then claim the moral high ground.

That anyone supports these people, well, quite frankly it amazes me.

(Also the whole rental/purchase model for consoles is overblown and for 99.99% of users it's a total irrelevance. The 0.01% who it actually affects can exercise their consumer rights by purchasing something else, there are plenty of products on the market. They don't the right to screw over everyone else just because they disapprove).

 

[JET1971]

And i mentioned fanboys, maybe next time i will say you instead.

I read your entire post. The fact that you think I'm a fanboy says more about you than me.

Where did I say i support the hackers?
Where did i say that Sony products are shit?
Where did I say I wanted Sony to go down?
contempt for Sony or Apple users? where is that? I do believe I stated a subset of those users and not all of them as a whole.

 

[poiuppx]

Does anyone actually think these HAckers are working for the customers benefit? I mean didn't they ask for Donations?

Why does this "argument" keep being brought up? It has been obvious from the very beginning that this group of hackers doesn't care about the customers. The fact that customers are affected by their hacks is just collateral damage that they really don't give two hoots about.

I support not so much the group, but the repercussions of their actions. Hopefully this will make it clear that the internet is not separate from the "real world". It's about time all companies, not just game/console developers, understand that the internet can and does have power.

Making a cruel example out of a company that clearly does not want to learn its lesson is a way to bring this point across.

The problem is, this cruel example is just going to result in companies and governments deciding now is a good time to start making the punishment for this sort of thing on par with storming the main offices with loaded guns. And the fact is, if they want to find them, they'll figure it out eventually; the government and major companies have a hell of a lot more money and resources than these guys. The whole donation thing is only going to make it that much easier in the end. And all they'll have done is to make peoples' lives suck for a while, make the punishment for doing this stuff that much more severe in the future, and eventually get their asses tossed in jail, at best. At that point, who gets the lulz? Does their past self get lulz credit for screwing over their present self?

Ugh. This is why schadenfreude should not be a valid philosophical choice. It ends badly for all.

 

[-|-]

And i mentioned fanboys, maybe next time i will say you instead.

I read your entire post. The fact that you think I'm a fanboy says more about you than me.

Where did I say i support the hackers?
Where did i say that Sony products are shit?
Where did I say I wanted Sony to go down?
contempt for Sony or Apple users? where is that? I do believe I stated a subset of those users and not all of them as a whole.

You're a wily one adjusting your narrative after the fact. I won't complain though as it appears you agree that the hackers are douches and sony has a right to exist even if you don't like what they do. Well, apart from the "you people are idiots" bit (when they are not on the whole) or the "sony doesn't care about customers", when of course it does. If it takes them for granted eventually they will go elsewhere and sony sure as hell doesn't want that. I think what you mean is that it only cares about them at a level that maximizes profits. But really, so what? Again it comes down to choice about how people want to spend the money they've worked for.

 

[fundayz]

The problem is, this cruel example is just going to result in companies and governments deciding now is a good time to start making the punishment for this sort of thing on par with storming the main offices with loaded guns. And the fact is, if they want to find them, they'll figure it out eventually; the government and major companies have a hell of a lot more money and resources than these guys. The whole donation thing is only going to make it that much easier in the end. And all they'll have done is to make peoples' lives suck for a while, make the punishment for doing this stuff that much more severe in the future, and eventually get their asses tossed in jail, at best. At that point, who gets the lulz? Does their past self get lulz credit for screwing over their present self?

Ugh. This is why schadenfreude should not be a valid philosophical choice. It ends badly for all.

You gotta try to think past the obvious.

What lulzsec has done to Sony is many times more damaging, financially and publicly, than what storming their offices with loaded guns could even hope to accomplish.

Even if they are caught, lulzsec will have sent a very strong message to ALL companies: The Internet is very powerful, it can and does affect the financial status of major corporations, and everybody needs to behave accordingly. Gone is the time when the internet was a separate entity from the "real" world.

Will this affect the stance of governments and corporations on hacking and networking? Of course, and this is a good thing.

Companies NEED to up their security ante and governments NEED to realize hacking can be just as damaging as a "real world" crime.

 

[poiuppx]

The problem is, this cruel example is just going to result in companies and governments deciding now is a good time to start making the punishment for this sort of thing on par with storming the main offices with loaded guns. And the fact is, if they want to find them, they'll figure it out eventually; the government and major companies have a hell of a lot more money and resources than these guys. The whole donation thing is only going to make it that much easier in the end. And all they'll have done is to make peoples' lives suck for a while, make the punishment for doing this stuff that much more severe in the future, and eventually get their asses tossed in jail, at best. At that point, who gets the lulz? Does their past self get lulz credit for screwing over their present self?

Ugh. This is why schadenfreude should not be a valid philosophical choice. It ends badly for all.

You gotta try to think past the obvious.

What lulzsec has done to Sony is many times more damaging, financially and publicly, than what storming their offices with loaded guns could even hope to accomplish.

Even if they are caught, lulzsec will have sent a very strong message to ALL companies: The Internet is very powerful, it can and does affect the financial status of major corporations, and everybody needs to behave accordingly. Gone is the time when the internet was a separate entity from the "real" world.

Will this affect the stance of governments and corporations on hacking and networking? Of course, and this is a good thing.

Companies NEED to up their security ante and governments NEED to realize hacking can be just as damaging as a "real world" crime.

With all due respect, I think we're both coming at this with different definitions of thinking past the obvious. You look at this as an object lesson, one that companies and governments needed. I look at this and see the end result; hackers of all stripes being in effect demonized so hard, with so much money and power behind them, that the days of freedom on the internet are going to rapidly vanish into the ether. Hurting the big companies hurts GDP. Attacking government sites makes them pissed. Make it look big enough, and we get Red Scare Part Deux: The Lulzining.

All those scary laws people ranted against in Australia, constraining the internet? They'll look downright Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood by the time lawmakers are done with this, if this trend continues. They won't treat this as real world crime, they'll blow the damn results out of proportion on scales that only a pissed and scared government can.

Long rant short, because I don't think either of us want endless rants on this subject, I look at what Lulzsec is doing and all I can think is that this is how the Wild West of the Internet will die; because of guys like this convincing common folk that they need protecting on the big scary internet, damn the cost or the removal of rights. And in the end, what does that kind of attention get guys like Lulzsec? Because in the end, the guys who will get it worst will be them.