Fox12 said:
I'll have to disagree with you about Romeo and Juliet. It's considered a great love story by people who have never read it.
The thing is: that is the vast, vast majority of people. I think the way to look at things like this is that there are really multiple Romeo and Juliet stories: one is the exact story written by Shakespeare, and another is the story that exists in the minds of 99% of people. Not in the least part because that's often how the story is (re)told (see e.g. that Leo DiCaprio film). You may argue that this latter story isn't "official", and it is stupid to reference. That's a fine point of view, but I think looking at this way makes it easier to understand. Also, I think the criticism that she's just saying words that don't mean anything. She is referencing a story that a lot of people know in the correct way (even if the way those people know it is incorrect).
Fox12 said:
I don't think the scarlet letter reference works either. Would she be ostracized? I thought her parents were mad at Romeo, not her?
Why not both? What I'm imagining here is that the parents fear that "Romeo" is a stereotypically horny teenage boy who only thinks with his dick and is looking to take advantage of their daughter. So they send him away and tell him to stay away from her/"Juliet". But that doesn't mean they aren't also mad at her for "giving it up" too easily or whatever and telling her to stay away from him.
I think it's entirely possible that she would feel "ostracized". Note that she doesn't actually have to
be ostracized, she just has to feel or fear it. In the above interpretation, she may feel like her family sees her as a slut/embarrassment. Also, she continues seeing him against her parents' wishes, so she's probably getting into arguments or getting punished.
Another interpretation is that she may have felt "ostracized" in school. In other songs she's singing about how people were mean to her, so it's possible. In that case, I think the juxtaposition of "Romeo" (often perceived as the ultimate romantic hero in this "folk" version of the story) with her status as an outcast is meant to emphasize how excited she is about it or something.
Fox12 said:
Would Romeo be ostracized by her parents for dating the princess? But neither Romeo nor Juliette were royalty.
She sings "you'll be the prince and I'll be the princess". That sounds to me like role assignment in a fairy tale: she's saying they'd be a fairy tale couple and it's not to be taken literally. And even if it was, I don't think she's saying that Romeo and Juliet are royalty. She's just referencing "love" stories where her role is Juliet/the princess/scarlet letter and her boy is Romeo/prince charming/whatever.
Fox12 said:
And why was her dad against it? Clearly it wasn't a big deal, because he just lets the whole thing go.
She's not saying why her dad was against it. All we know is that he changed his mind at some point. But as I said, I can think of some reasons why he might be against it. For instance, he might have been concerned originally that the boy is trying to take advantage of his daughter (or he just thinks they're too young), but changed his mind when the boy proved himself (or they proved that despite their age they could handle the responsibility). That seems like a very plausible scenario to me.
Fox12 said:
Besides, a scarlet letter was worn by a woman so that everyone would know she was an adulterer.In the Scarlet Letter book she decorates her letter so that everyone knows that she's not sorry for what she did, and she refuses to hide her shame. But Taylor Swift isn't proudly wearing her scarlet letter because she's hiding in the song, which defeats the point of the metaphor. None of the metaphors fit together. She just threw a bunch of vaguely romantic sounding references together without any real thought.
To be honest, I had never heard of the Scarlet Letter (I'm not English, so I feel like I have an excuse). Is it a commonly known tale (not just among "intellectuals" who have read Romeo and Juliet, but in general)? If so, what is the common interpretation? We have seen with Romeo and Juliet that the common interpretation doesn't follow the letter of the source material, so is the same true here? Is "being a scarlet letter" often referenced, and if so what does Joe Average mean by it?
Obviously if everybody agrees on the fact that "a scarlet letter" is "a proud adultress", then the reference would be really weird. If however, it is more commonly associated with being shunned/ostracized, I think it works fine.
Fox12 said:
I agree with the last part of your post. I get that she was just trying to write a tweeny bop pop song for young girls, but if your going to use a word or reference, you should atleast understand what it means. It's the same reason I listed ironic by Alanis Morissette earlier. If your going to make something the foundation of your whole song, make sure you use it right. Otherwise the whole structure comes tumbling down. Don't write a song about love stories, then list a bunch of things that are actually
the opposite of a love story. In any case I've put way too much thought into this
I think if you look at it a certain way, she did get it right. She's just referencing "Romeo and Juliet" as it exists in the minds of (most of) her audience, rather than in the mind of Shakespeare. If you knew that she was actually referencing, say [a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117509/"]Romeo + Juliet[/a], would you still feel the same way?
Edit: I am now seriously asking myself why I just got into a long debate on Taylor Swift lyrics... I guess this is the state of my life... I'm not even a fan.