Mafia 2... sigh.

[NewYork_Comedian]

Indecently, a lot of the people on ign were posting that they thought the demo was not that amazing.

No doubt you will say that the only people on that site are retards and 13 year olds. Unfortunately, this is the kind of game those people like! [Sex, drugs violence, ect.]

can you TRY not misspelling the most basic words? also mafia is not GTA. it isnt appealing to that demographic. you keep failing to realize what mafia IS. if you were waiting 8 years you would know that. you're just a damn troll.

Sigh, ive never raged before on this site.

The retards and 13 year olds dont care about the demographic. If it has blood and titties, there all for it.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

To most all posters: Demo does not equal full game. Remember the Mirror's Edge demo everyone thought was so amazing? Then the actual game turned out to be...poor? Demo's are marketing tools first and foremost designed to show off the best and most polished section of a game to build hype. Furthermore over on Gametrailers the guys said the Demo's a very small part of the game and barely showcases any of the actual game. While this could be good or bad, based on professional reviews it seems to be suffering from Just Cause 2 syndrome.

OT: IGN's criticisms make a good bit of sense if you take out the subjective stuff. Basic 3rd Person Shooting, Basic brawler hand to hand combat, a world that advertises itself as free roaming but really isn't, and no side missions to occupy time outside of the story in a game that seems tailor made for it. However they still liked the story, and praised many parts of the game. They said it's a fun game, but one that lacks depth and could have been great rather than just good. All in all, 7.0 is still a decent score and it's probably worth checking out. I do agree with everyone else on here that you should play the game yourself to decide whether it's good or bad, but you should keep the objective criticisms in mind while you do.

how does it advertise as free roam? if you wander around a city it automatically advertises free roam? hell no. i played the demo with the timer OFF and i can say that the demo is amazing. the cop ai is the most impressive i have seen. the hand to hand combat is FAR from basic. brawl near a table or car and you will see that. mafia isn't GTA and it never was. it is its own creature with its own style. everyone is comparing it to GTA and it cant be done.

What? I thought myself before i watched their review that the brawling was really basic. Hard hit, light hit, dodge, QTE next to an object.

it may be basic to consoles but to the PC its unique. you only get button masher brawlers but NEVER taken it to the level where the environment is taken in.

Im not sure what your talking about and i have the PC version FTR. Can you explain?

i took off the time limit and dicked around in what the game can do. if you back your enemy against a table, you can finish him off in 3 bunches bar fight style. car hoods work too. you only get brawls where its always the same every time. saints row is an example. no environmental factors, just cut and slice. mafia actually brings the environment into play. that is what makes it unique, at least to the PC.

Exactly, QTE next to an object. And more often than not, you'll be in the open when fistfighting [or at least i was] and will just have to beat them up normally.

 

[The Lost Big Boss]

Jesus, do people hate IGN just because they are popular? It's an opinion, some times it is radical and different, other times it is with the same mind set of others. You know how many games have been advertised on the site only to get a 6.5 or something of that nature? Ya, I can see the suitcases of money right under the table (Eye roll)

Now I played the demo and everything Greg said was what I thought demo wise. The shooting was not that good, the cover mechanic is good but not great. The fact it presented itself as an open world but it was a linear game was a big turn off. I am all for linear games, but don't put up a smoke screen to trick me.

 

[Jasper Jeffs]

IGN suck, and they're playing it on PS3 by the looks of it. I'm no fanboy, but I didn't like the Mafia 2 demo on Xbox, but I really enjoyed the demo on PC, noticeably more than I did on console in fact. I'm not sure whether I should buy it still though, I'm hoping for a decent modding community, although I'm not sure if there will be one for this.

 

[Woodsey]

Now I played the demo and everything Greg said was what I thought demo wise. The shooting was not that good, the cover mechanic is good but not great. The fact it presented itself as an open world but it was a linear game was a big turn off. I am all for linear games, but don't put up a smoke screen to trick me.

Ahh yes, that giant smoke-screen of the first game being in the same style, and every interview with developers talking about how the game is linear so that they may focus on the narrative.

 

[SovietSecrets]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1114635p1.html

The horror, the horror, ive been waiting 8 years for this.

*Sigh* Even though its a mainstream reviewing site, this still made me want to fall on the ground, ive already preordered it on steam and probably cant do anything about it. Or is there a way to cancel the deal i made?

Or you play the game yourself and you might find out that you actually enjoy it. Are you really that afraid to form your own thoughts?

 

[SyphonX]

You know how many games have been advertised on the site only to get a 6.5 or something of that nature? Ya, I can see the suitcases of money right under the table (Eye roll)

Yeah, you're right.. GTA 4 was a perfect 10 on it's own merits. (Condescending eye roll)

It's not the score that I have a problem with really, opinions are opinions. I just find the review to be rather lazy overall. They miss a lot of things, use unnecessary comments and filler.. talk about one aspect for too long. It's a long-standing tradition with IGN, which is why I don't really pay much attention to them anymore.

IGN seems to be transitioning into the super-corporate segment of entertainment. I see IGN as the future X-Play and whatever channel it is they belong to. Not to be taken seriously at all.

There really isn't many review sites worthy of praise today. Word of mouth, and places like the Escapist, where it's all about the community, are about all we have, as discerning gamers.

 

[The Lost Big Boss]

Now I played the demo and everything Greg said was what I thought demo wise. The shooting was not that good, the cover mechanic is good but not great. The fact it presented itself as an open world but it was a linear game was a big turn off. I am all for linear games, but don't put up a smoke screen to trick me.

Ahh yes, that giant smoke-screen of the first game being in the same style, and every interview with developers talking about how the game is linear so that they may focus on the narrative.

I never played the first one so I would't know. And I didn't pay attention to the game media wise. Still it feels like a cock tease, and any one who didn't pay attention to the game would be extremely disappointed. But thats what a review is for, informing the respected audience of ones opinion of the game and the goods and bads of it.

From the looks of it you seem to be a big Mafia fan, sorry if I don't like your game. It just played like a mediocre 3rd person shooter.

 

[falcon1985]

Never...read...reviews. Play the game yourself and judge for yourself. I personally never even go to their sites.

 

[Woodsey]

Now I played the demo and everything Greg said was what I thought demo wise. The shooting was not that good, the cover mechanic is good but not great. The fact it presented itself as an open world but it was a linear game was a big turn off. I am all for linear games, but don't put up a smoke screen to trick me.

Ahh yes, that giant smoke-screen of the first game being in the same style, and every interview with developers talking about how the game is linear so that they may focus on the narrative.

I never played the first one so I would't know. And I didn't pay attention to the game media wise. Still it feels like a cock tease, and any one who didn't pay attention to the game would be extremely disappointed. But thats what a review is for, informing the respected audience of ones opinion of the game and the goods and bads of it.

From the looks of it you seem to be a big Mafia fan, sorry if I don't like your game. It just played like a mediocre 3rd person shooter.

I don't care if you don't like it, I just take issue with you blaming the developers for something that's been made perfectly clear. Just like I take issue with reviewers that unrelentingly compare the game to GTA and then complain about it's linearity, despite the connections to it being loose at best.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

You know how many games have been advertised on the site only to get a 6.5 or something of that nature? Ya, I can see the suitcases of money right under the table (Eye roll)

Yeah, you're right.. GTA 4 was a perfect 10 on it's own merits. (Condescending eye roll)

It's not the score that I have a problem with really, opinions are opinions. I just find the review to be rather lazy overall. They miss a lot of things, use unnecessary comments and filler.. talk about one aspect for too long. It's a long-standing tradition with IGN, which is why I don't really pay much attention to them anymore.

IGN seems to be transitioning into the super-corporate segment of entertainment. I see IGN as the future X-Play and whatever channel it is they belong to. Not to be taken seriously at all.

There really isn't many review sites worthy of praise today. Word of mouth, and places like the Escapist, where it's all about the community, are about all we have, as discerning gamers.

Be ready for a light review of the game from me in a couple days from this thread. Until then, can we agree to live and let live?

 

[Nvv]

Well when they said "No real freeroAM" THATS when i fell on the floor.

Well you can't have been paying much attention to the game. Because they've been saying that all along. It's like Mafia I, a linear-action game within a sandbox giving the illusion of a freeroam game.

 

[Irridium]

So the game isn't supposed to be free-roam, and they complain about lack of free-roam?

Really?

 

[philosophicalbastard]

IT'S NOT FUCKING GTA. How hard is that for people to understand?

The open-world is a backdrop. That doesn't instantly mean you need to be able to run around with a rocket-launcher and do missions in whatever order you bloody well like; there's a reason why GTA IV and RDR have some of the worst narrative-pacing known to man you know.

It's a linear, story-driven game with an open-world. It is not a non-linear sandbox.

Clearly you have not been waiting for this game for 8 years, or you'd known the difference.

Don't go dragging RDR into this, that game was awesome in its own rights.

What I want to know is how far off the beaten path can you go? Is there spaces between missions where you can do whatever you want for any amount of time, or is there some annoying timer on your screen counting down to the next mission? Linearity is fine as long as the lines are drawn wide.

 

[Reg5879]

1. Why worry? A seven ain't bad.

2. It's IGN, who gives a s**t?

 

[Woodsey]

So the game isn't supposed to be free-roam, and they complain about lack of free-roam?

Really?

Plenty of reviewers have been doing it. The same thing happened to the first game; I predicted this a mile-off.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

One final question : After playing the demo, what did you think the final product was going to be? Considering the open world, i thought that, yeah it was going to be an open world game, i thought the timer was merely for the demo.

 

[Bat Vader]

In my opinion I think people should rent games or play the demo first before they buy them. If I am pretty sure the game will be good than I will pre-order it. If I am not so sure than I will usually rent it to see if I like it.

I played the Mafia II demo and I thought it was really good. It was what caused me to pre-order the game.

 

[Scobie]

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[ShotgunSmoke]

I'm like an embodiment of rage after watching that review. That was one of the worst reviews I've ever seen. You can't spell "ignorant" without "IGN".

He complains that the game consists of shootouts and using cover. No shit, Sherlock. It's a shooter. What did he expect, Vito playing basketball?

Mafia 2 isn't a free-roam game in the same manner as GTA. It's story-oriented and Empire city is like a big backdrop.

Fighting system is good and of course it won't be anything revolutionary. Mafia 2 isn't a fighting game. Also, I like how he didn't mention the sweet combo moves and Vito using the environment while fighting.

What the hell is "ho-hum"? The cover system is great and there's nothing broken about it.

I never base my opinions on reviews. I check them out, sure, but I never let them fully influence my judgement. Especially if the reviewer is a moron, like in this review. I've pre-ordered Mafia II anyway.

By the way, there are 9 scores between 9.0-10, there are 6 scores between 8.0-8.9 and 4 scores in the 7 area. Mafia 2 is getting excellent reviews.