Gethsemani said:
1. It is not an excuse. It is the framework needed to understand why police officers, military guards and everyone else allowed to potentially use a firearm against other people are taught to neutralize the threat as efficiently as possible.
2. The same applies to the victim, they are probably going through the same physiological reactions that the officer does. However, rule 1 when faced with someone threatening to use lethal force against you is to comply. Doesn't matter if it is a bank robber, someone threatening me in order to have me open the door so they can leave the ward despite their compulsory care or a police officer trying to arrest you.
Sorry, but I don't buy either of these arguments (and especially points in the reprise). The Australian lead InterFET operation proved that regardless of the size of the threat, nor the proximity of civilian elements, or the confusing nature of enemy and allied formations or composition that selective target acquisition and combat effectiveness is predicated on systems of positive identification of hostiles. Anything less ultimately undermines the effectiveness of your forces as well as destroying any good will through mounting friendly fire and collateral damage.
InterFET proved you can fight a ground shooting war against a numerically superior force without collateral, without loss of operatives, and still achieve victory not through force of arms but mobility and deception.
U.S. cops, as far as I can tell from footage, are
simply trained differently from military personnel ... and not for any good reason when it comes to gun discipline. Military personnel
accept the personal responsibility of doing a dangerous job, and yet we still wait for positive identification. You accept some form of personal endangerment in order to make sure who you're shooting at is in fact a valid target that won't result in collateral damages.
You do not just eyeball it or give n to paranoia and fear. If you do you're a *bad soldier*.
Guns are not toys. They are not tools for intimidation. You use them as a tool of the enemy's destruction. You treat them reverently, and you personally accept the consequences of having that power at your discretion. There is a reason why this seems so uniquely a U.S. problem. There is also a reason why I think there'd be a hell of a lot less collateral damage and wrongful shootings if you saw military trained U.S. cops.
The U.S. wasn't the only gun nut nation. Australia prior the firearms buyback scheme. Austria. Switzerland. Plenty of places in the world rivalled at one point a person's capacity to destroy on an individual level... still saw differing levels of gun discipline. What you see U.S. cops do is leagues different from their military or any other policing formation in the Western world. And there's a reason for that... it stops cops performing wrongful shootings.
They had trained their sights on him well and truly before positive identification of a weapon. Which is fucking problematic. They had no intelligence on the actual situation. What if that was a hostage told to deliver demands directly to units on scene? What if they were intellectually impaired? What if they were simply used to the idea that in the UK or Australia police wouldn't just gun them down without actually seeing a weapon?
There was a great OP-ed of a U.S. soldier who had performed two dozen raids against expected insurgent safe houses in Iraq. He was less than thoroughly impressed when he was unlawfully held at gunpoint during a police raid given he was entirely innocent and they had the wrong address... and he was met with dismissal and derision when he informed the police officers asking whether he could talk to someone responsible for their armed response training.
It was his military training of understanding hostile body language and positioning that kept him alive ... half naked on his bed, without a weapon, and still intoxicated from the night before. Without that military training to understand how one acquiesces to scrutiny he might have been another person shot in the fucking back because U.S. cops seem all too trigger happy. Failure to abide gun disciplibe is one thing, pretending like you're above public scrutiny is just a signal that these cops don't have the public interest at heart. Being a U.S. police officer isn't even in the top ten most dangerous jobs. There is no excuse for the degree of paranoia and lack of active intelligence gathering, positive identification and information dissemination.
If you already have your sights trained on someone, and when you have proof that the situation isn't what it appears to be, there is no excuse to act without positive identification... there is no excuse at all to act without positive identification to begin with, which makes this incident all the more galling. It's all well and good to make excuses and pretend like what people like Saelune are asking for is somehow some mysterious power of clairvoyance... but when you have evidence that other formations simply have better gun discipline... that humans are capable of exercising and the moral and utilitarian responsibility to do so ... frankly it sounds pathetic.
When there is a fatal police shooting in Australia, we
launch a public investigation. A coronial inquest, no less. We do not entrust cops from the same district to perform the investigation, and we don't trust only cops to do the investigating.
How about starting there at the very fucking least?
Someone died that didn't need to. Someone who overwhelmingly wouldn't have been liable to have done so in any other Western nation due to how other nations handle threat evaluation. To put it bluntly, that single person probably would have been safer facing
a squad of soldiers (at least in terms of not getting shot by them) in a theatre of conflict in a similar situation. This being in a situation where suicide vests are something you might commonly find in an insurgent stronghold, and in situations where soldiers will suffer getting shot at
personally before engaging.
You know that scene in
Three Kings where Mark Walhberg calls out; "Hey, are we shooting?..." and no one seems to be taking him seriously or bothering to respond until the enemy stops waving and instead begins to level his gun? It's played up for laughs, but that's considered the rules of engagement at the time.
You do not just
commit homicide. And that's precisely what this is. That is precisely what it would be called anywhere else in the Western world.
I have sincere reservations about the ADF training state police officers in terms of counter-terrorism units in Australia ... but if we had
U.S. police officers, from what I've seen, I'd have
zero reservations extending that to all other armed response units.