This example of "middle man" you said brings different consequences to the affected.Tomo Stryker said:
That comment makes absolutely no sense, I have experience with XNA programming and can effectively make simple 360 homebrew games, but I have neither the knowledge nor the tools to open up and mod my 360.bahumat42 said:because homebrewers know enough about the machine TO DO IT THEMSELVES.danpascooch said:How are the homebrewers not being damaged here? This guy is being put on trial for allowing them to run homebrew games.bahumat42 said:yeah the "low percentage" isnt getting pissed on, its the guy selling to them, which is finedanpascooch said:This is the United States of America, that "low percentage" deserves the right to practice their fully legal activity.bahumat42 said:Ok your gun thing is null because guns shouldnt be being made in the numbers they are, so seeing them go would bring me no pain. And the car manufacturers are certified to do so. And aside from that they pay their money and the work WITH THE SYSTEM. (yes the driving test needs to be made more difficult I think most people are aware of that)stinkychops said:That's pathetic.bahumat42 said:yeah the people can run legitimate software if they ask microsoft, hense the army using some of the hardware. And gratz for picking up on my misuse of the word thieving, note you dont question the bastard part. He is allowing people to run software they haven't purchased, so the intellectual property gets no money off of it. Please don't turn this into a piracy is ok thing. Because piracy isn't ok. It's why games companies close simple as.stinkychops said:He didn't steal anything. He allowed people to gain the ability to run software from other 'production teams' who stole from Microsoft. There are legitimate applications of modding. What do you think should be the arbitrary sentencing of a murderer?bahumat42 said:i jay walk all the time we don't get arrested for that herestinkychops said:
but yes its totally fine to prosecute him for being a thieving bastard. He is allowing people to bypass the purchase of videogames losing money for the production teams. And getting paid for it. Let him rot i say.
First of all: I didn't say anything about the 'bastard' part because I have never met the man. It is an unfounded and childish personal attack.
Second: What I said was not condoning piracy, it was condoning modding. If you have no grasp of the difference then stop spouting ignorance and do a search. Its only a few clicks and several keys away.
Your argument is founded on the slippery slope idea. Basically, he gives people the ability to do many things, if they so choose it can be exploited for illegal purposes. So you say he should be punished. Using your same logic car manufacturers should be gone because they allow vehicular murder. Gun manufacturers should be executed because they allow people to be wrongly shot.
Its not 'simple as'. There's a huge debate going on about Piracy on the internet because its NOT simple as. You saying it doesn't make it so.
And it is a "simple as" if you can't afford something you shouldnt have it. No ifs or buts. Somebody put effort into making something should get rewarded accordingly. Exactly the reason why i have a problem with people making a way for people to pirate.
And finally YES IT COULD BE MODDED FOR ETHICAL REASONS but i feel confident in saying that would be a very low percentage of ethical mod users who would go through an unlicensed street modder rather than the company who makes it.
Microsoft needs to stop pursuing the modders or find a way to hit piracy without damaging people who are well within their rights, preferably the latter, but it has to be one of them, they can't continue the way they are now.
Im sorry but well within their rights is regardless of the point. The people being damaged aren't the homebrewers or the techies figuring stuff out or even the army who use for it various purposes, its people stealing things. When somebody comes down on a homebrewer then you have your case but im fairly sure people doing that can homebrew can hack their boxes easy enough.
Try it, if they allow you to play homebrew games in any way they approve of, I will give you $100, seriously, I will gladly send the fucking check.bahumat42 said:yeah because thats not how you would ask about such things, you would email the correct department and start a dialogue. If you ask things like a retard they will treat you like one.danpascooch said:Try contacting 1-800-4MY-XBOX and ask "Can I please get some written permission to mod my Xbox for legitamate homebrew uses?"bahumat42 said:iv said before that there are legitimate uses and any of them would probably be allowed if you were to go and ask Microsoft first.danpascooch said:That's a load of crap, there are legitimate uses for modding a 360 and sentencing someone on the premise that they are "ALLOWING others to rob" is insane.bahumat42 said:i jay walk all the time we don't get arrested for that herestinkychops said:
but yes its totally fine to prosecute him for being a thieving bastard. He is allowing people to bypass the purchase of videogames losing money for the production teams. And getting paid for it. Let him rot i say.
Under that logic we could sentence a store manager to ten years because he installed a poor security system at his own store that "allowed others to rob shit from his store"
And no because the store manager isnt providing a way for him to be robbed and he isnt charging for that privilege either sorry
You will probably be hung up on immediately.