Mass Effect 3 ending SPOILERS!

[70R4N]

I am amazed that some people ITT are actually defending the ending.

 

[theonecookie]

The flaws have been adressed, time and time again, by both SajuukKhar and synobal. Go through the thread and read the posts by those two posters and you'll see.

Basically, civilization needed to be reset in order to follow its own path and not one set out by the Reapers.

I could turn around and say that the people hating the ending need to read through and understand the comments made by those of us, who defend and like it.

It still makaes no sense. Becuase the path the Reapers put them on? So what, they're some how destined to NEVER advance after the Reapers are gone? That's BULLSHIT. They would still advanced and let grow.

Espicially with no cycle, they could continue to improve upon current technology and become even more advanced. The only difference would be if they can't use reaper technology (which they would most likely all die before they could even advanced) is that it would be slightly different.

They would continue on the Reapers path until the point they eventually became the Reapers. The path of the reapers has all their flaws, all their limitations in it.

If we were able to beat the Reapers why would we want to continue down their path and straddle ourselves with their limits?

Right I have to ask what world do you live on because you defend this worthless point to the death

Let me tell you this straight up Technology is not a linear line its not even a full tree the use of a single piece tech will not remove the discovery of other tech just because you give somebody a radio doesn't mean you wont later invent the mobile phone

The idea that you can use tech you don't understand is also ludicrous what happened in mass effect is you found an abandoned house lived in it for bit then decided that you wanted to build your own burned down the house and the died of exposure before you finished the one you build your self ultimately you just look like a jackass

 

[Deathninja19]

Meh not to me, I mean if the Reapers where trying to save lives why start an invasion using laserbeams when the Collectors where using mainly non-violent means like those stasis bugs, but again I have nothing against those who think the ending was good.

Using stasis bugs doesn't remove the advanced civilizations from the galaxy and thus does not prevent them from making synthetics that would eventually destroy all organic life.

They could EMP planets and nuke the hardened military targets, leaving the population defenseless and ready to be harvested using the Seeker Swarms. Then once they're done harvesting, they could destroy everything that's left.

Exactly, one of the million of ways the Reapers could be non-violent. In fact why not just create a huge dish and direct their indoctronation powers in to it, that way all of the universe would be their slaves with no resistance allowing them to harvest at their leisure.

 

[Deremix]

Yeah, guys, I have to agree with the people defending the endings. While not what most people were expecting, the endings were kind of perfect in their own way. It shows that the galaxy is once and for all free to rebuild, restart, free of the Reapers influence. And as the cutscene with the stargazers showed, civilization did continue, they did rebuild, and they're starting space travel on their own, without the tech left behind by the Reapers.

I understand the disappointment and rage though. It all stems from this: it's because there were no epilogues, no explanation as to what happened to all those characters that you spent so much time getting to know and love. And I am disappointed with this as well, but you just have to sit back and hope BioWare releases some sort of patch or DLC that gives epilogues for everyone.

 

[Deremix]

And, plus, the only difference in the ending videos were the colors, really. I think they could have done better with that, for sure.

 

[Lunar Templar]

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happy ending? its my understanding that the reapers are intent on destroying pretty much everything. what makes you think, that with the price of failure being the total destruction of galactic civilization, your going to walk away clean, let alone at all. the set up present is not one where you can avoid casualty's, you just have to plan around them and hope your not boned in the end.

Spoiler

the relays are fucked in every ending, as is the Normandy and Shepard

i rather like the endings my self, take balls to end a story on that kind of sour note

 

[Korten12]

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happy ending? its my understanding that the reapers are intent on destroying pretty much everything. what makes you think, that with the price of failure being the total destruction of galactic civilization, your going to walk away clean, let alone at all. the set up present is not one where you can avoid casualty's, you just have to plan around them and hope your not boned in the end.

Spoiler

the relays are fucked in every ending, as is the Normandy and Shepard

i rather like the endings my self, take balls to end a story on that kind of sour note

Happy =/= Everything is all right. You can still have things be happy but still screwed up. In this ending, you didn't get an ounce of things at least being better. In fact it almost seems worse.

 

[synobal]

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happy ending? its my understanding that the reapers are intent on destroying pretty much everything. what makes you think, that with the price of failure being the total destruction of galactic civilization, your going to walk away clean, let alone at all. the set up present is not one where you can avoid casualty's, you just have to plan around them and hope your not boned in the end.

Spoiler

the relays are fucked in every ending, as is the Normandy and Shepard

i rather like the endings my self, take balls to end a story on that kind of sour note

Happy =/= Everything is all right. You can still have things be happy but still screwed up. In this ending, you didn't get an ounce of things at least being better. In fact it almost seems worse.

Really? I felt that the Synthesis ending was really very hopeful. In fact all three really do seem some what hopeful, though some more than others.

 

[Dylan Mah]

You know, I am hoping, really really hoping to God that BioWare made these endings as bad as they did to kill the series and keep EA from milking it.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I promise im trying to be cordial, but that in no way deals with everything the quoted poster stated. Furthermore i have made several points that you seem to have ignored, but since i have your attention lets try again.

Ok lets break this down. Im honestly not trying to be antagonistic, im just trying to see what you and your peers see. I enjoyed the game too much to hate it, but i need to make sense of this and you all seem to get it so help me get it.

1- if the point of the gaurdian/catalyst etc is to maintain organic life by culling it whenever it reaches a certain point, why did it not destry the relays eons ago if that seems to be the "only way" that this society will set its own destiny.

2- How could an ending that would clearly lead to the death and struggle of several main characters and entire races (as stated from the quoted poster) be seen as palatable for even the "good" ending.

3- What about the significant plot holes involving the normandy, why it was in the middle of a relay jump and why certain people get off. The clear Deus ex Machina that is the star child and its unexplained/unfathomable powers that could be fairly described as space magic( one wave engulfs the entire galaxy while at the same time merging synthetic and organic life...?)

4- What about the general lack of content for the ending in that the cinematic and aftermath is highly abbreviated and (at least in my opinion) really is not befitting to end a 3 game epic. It is completely accurate to say that all you get is Shepard's ending sequence, 3 variation of the reapers leaving/dying/stopping, jokers race against the relay, and 3 variations of the normandy opening up with different combinations of who comes out. I know that the ending is meant to be ambigous, but how is that appropriate for this type of game/story?

Please try as you may to address ALL of these and if you say you already have be so kind as to link to your post. I just want to see where you are coming from. Im going to be honest, it seems like you are avoiding any arguments that do not coincide with your opinion of the games ending. I am willing to admit that on several levels it does work/make sense, but on far too many levels, it does not. You seem a bit one sided in your analysis which comes off a bit fanboyish which hurts the credibility of your opinion.

1. As the catalyst mentions when Shepard gets there it cannot do the things Shepard can or enact the choices that Shepard can make.

The Catalyst was limited in options and as it stood destroying the relays would have left the galaxy in such a state that a race could develop synthetic life, which could then eventually make its own Mass Relay like system and spread across the galaxy destroying all organic life.

The relays were necessary because
1. They forced organic civilization down a predictable path which made the easy to control and kill
2. It allowed the reapers a significantly easier time at destroying civilization faster so that they couldn't make synthetic life
3. Keeping the relays up meant The reapers had full control of them instead of letting the races build their own relay system which the Reapers may not have the same ability to turn on and off as they can with their own.
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2. One of the biggest points of the series was self-sacrifice. Shepard died to free the galaxy from the cycle, Mordin may die in curing the genophage freeing the Korgan from countless more deaths Legion may die uniting the Geth and Quarrians ending a long and needless war. All of their deaths helped save so many people.

Beyond that while, yes, they will have to struggle, they can now make their own path, and go their own way. How is being able to do what YOU want insted of what someone else set out for you not a good ending?
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3. I guess the Q from Star Trek, and The Ancients from Stargate, are all Deus Ex Machinas also?

Just because a race has technology so far beyond us we don't understand it =/= it is a Deus ex Mahinca. This is a sci-fi series were people use dark energy to lift object in the air, this is a sci-fi series were there is an entire race of females who propgate by doing a vulcan mind meld.

If the star child is really irking you this much how did you stand the rest of the series?

As for The Normady, they specifically mention that they plan to help the Sword team, which is the space armada team, explaining why they are in space, and the cutscene shows them going into the relay trying to escape the giant beam of death coming out of the Citadel.
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4. How is it not appropriate?
-The Reapers were destroyed/merged/controlled
-The civilizations of the galaxy are freed from continued technological and societal enslavement
-You crew survives and made a colony
-The stargazers showed that civilization will go on regardless of the lack of relays
It gives considerable hope for a future made by each species and not some predetermined one set upon them by being who only wish to destroy them.

 

[Lunar Templar]

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happy ending? its my understanding that the reapers are intent on destroying pretty much everything. what makes you think, that with the price of failure being the total destruction of galactic civilization, your going to walk away clean, let alone at all. the set up present is not one where you can avoid casualty's, you just have to plan around them and hope your not boned in the end.

Spoiler

the relays are fucked in every ending, as is the Normandy and Shepard

i rather like the endings my self, take balls to end a story on that kind of sour note

Happy =/= Everything is all right. You can still have things be happy but still screwed up. In this ending, you didn't get an ounce of things at least being better. In fact it almost seems worse.

true, but i think it something every one needs to get over, not every thing ends the way we think it should, nor dose every game need a happy ending. i haven't nor am i a going to play ME3, so this is all going to be going off what i gathered from spoilers, so, feel free to backhanded me and call me a retard if I'm wrong, I'm a big brony, i can take it.

1) the relays are broke: but their are countless people of numerous races still alive, and i'm willing to bet a fair share of scientists and there's in all likely hood a blue print or some thing similar some one saved when the shit and fan got together.

2)

Spoiler: The Normandy is now Gilligan's Island

: could be worse, they could all be dead, like they are in one ending

3)

Spoiler: Shepard is forever alone

: again, he could be dead, like he is in one ending

like i said, i like these endings, it's ballsy. sides, you know there's gonna be an ME4 where the status quo is restored

 

[Korten12]

This is how I wished it had ending. Well not exactly but imo better then the actual ending.

 

[theonecookie]

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happy ending? its my understanding that the reapers are intent on destroying pretty much everything. what makes you think, that with the price of failure being the total destruction of galactic civilization, your going to walk away clean, let alone at all. the set up present is not one where you can avoid casualty's, you just have to plan around them and hope your not boned in the end.

Spoiler

the relays are fucked in every ending, as is the Normandy and Shepard

i rather like the endings my self, take balls to end a story on that kind of sour note

Happy =/= Everything is all right. You can still have things be happy but still screwed up. In this ending, you didn't get an ounce of things at least being better. In fact it almost seems worse.

true, but i think it something every one needs to get over, not every thing ends the way we think it should, nor dose every game need a happy ending. i haven't nor am i a going to play ME3, so this is all going to be going off what i gathered from spoilers, so, feel free to backhanded me and call me a retard if I'm wrong, I'm a big brony, i can take it.

1) the relays are broke: but their are countless people of numerous races still alive, and i'm willing to bet a fair share of scientists and there's in all likely hood a blue print or some thing similar some one saved when the shit and fan got together.

2)

Spoiler: The Normandy is now Gilligan's Island

: could be worse, they could all be dead, like they are in one ending

3)

Spoiler: Shepard is forever alone

: again, he could be dead, like he is in one ending

like i said, i like these endings, it's ballsy. sides, you know there's gonna be an ME4 where the status quo is restored

Its not that its a downer ending or that i think it should of ended like X or Y its that this ending in the context of mass effect

1 doesn't belong it doesn't gel with the rest of the game from a story telling point of view

2 Is lazily written due to a giant space wand that makes the bad men go away

3 Its full of plot holes the reaper motivations make no sense

 

[synobal]

This is how I wished it had ending. Well not exactly but imo better then the actual ending.

I'm surprised so many people are annoyed with the destruction of the Mass Relays, the destruction really is a good thing. From a story telling point and logically. It keeps post war, conquering of other species by races that were not as hard hit in the reapers invasion from occurring.

With the destruction of the relays each race has maybe a century or more (my guesstimate) to recover from the invasion.

 

[Korten12]

This is how I wished it had ending. Well not exactly but imo better then the actual ending.

I'm surprised so many people are annoyed with the destruction of the Mass Relays, the destruction really is a good thing. From a story telling point and logically. It keeps post war, conquering of other species by races that were not as hard hit in the reapers invasion from occurring.

With the destruction of the relays each race has maybe a century or more (my guesstimate) to recover from the invasion.

And if the Relays are kept... THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET TO PLACES TO ACTUALLY FUCKING HELP PEOPLE! Seriously, destroying the relays make so many choices voided. Out what was the point of saving the Quarian Homeworld if many of them will never see it as they're stuck on Earth?

And plus considering that the ending did imply that civilization continued, it showed that they weren't space faring anymore.

How can places recover without aid? How can the Krogan's get back to their homeworld? Or the Quarians? Asari? Turians? Espicially the Asari and Turians who worlds were burning.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Its not that its a downer ending or that i think it should of ended like X or Y its that this ending in the context of mass effect

1 doesn't belong it doesn't gel with the rest of the game from a story telling point of view

2 Is lazily written due to a giant space wand that makes the bad men go away

3 Its full of plot holes the reaper motivations make no sense

*shrugs* I'd have to play it comment further, but that's not going to happen so here's where i have to bow out

 

[eventhorizon525]

This is how I wished it had ending. Well not exactly but imo better then the actual ending.

I'm surprised so many people are annoyed with the destruction of the Mass Relays, the destruction really is a good thing. From a story telling point and logically. It keeps post war, conquering of other species by races that were not as hard hit in the reapers invasion from occurring.

With the destruction of the relays each race has maybe a century or more (my guesstimate) to recover from the invasion.

The thing is, none of the races really escaped being hit hard by the reapers, particularly if you got everyone to bring their fleets to the final fight. All of the major military forces would be decimated and in tatters anyway. That would leave the races little way to really start a war with each other, and furthermore, any peace and good relations built up between the races would fade should the relays go down. People aren't going to as easily remember Captain So-and-So who did the good faith gesture when you haven't seen that other race in at least a century.

Really though, this ending just comes across as Bioware wanting to reset the universe, so any continuation is free from this series and particular techs. Honestly, I would feel better about the endings if A) the Citadel-AI didn't show up in the form of that kid and B) the ending videos, which are meant to portray radically different approaches to dealing with the reapers weren't pretty much the same save for some color swapping. The latter just comes off as Bioware being lazy with the videos, and that puts it in a rather bad light.

 

[Korten12]

1 doesn't belong it doesn't gel with the rest of the game from a story telling point of view

2 Is lazily written due to a giant space wand that makes the bad men go away

3 Its full of plot holes the reaper motivations make no sense

So true. I love it how the one reaper of the Quarian homeworld basically said: "You can't comprehend our reasons."

Then when you learn of it. It's like it was written by some five year old and the only reason they said we can't comprehend it is because they didn't want everyone to find out how stupid the reason was.

 

[SajuukKhar]

And if the Relays are kept... THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET TO PLACES TO ACTUALLY FUCKING HELP PEOPLE! Seriously, destroying the relays make so many choices voided. Out what was the point of saving the Quarian Homeworld if many of them will never see it as they're stuck on Earth?

And plus considering that the ending did imply that civilization continued, it showed that they weren't space faring anymore.

How can places recover without aid? How can the Krogan's get back to their homeworld? Or the Quarians? Asari? Turians? Espicially the Asari and Turians who worlds were burning.

Well
1. There are many Quarrians on the homeworld, those who didn't make it back KNEW that the war with the Reapers, and the battle for Earth was probably a one way trip, and that they would probably have died. It was something they would have come to accept beforehand, and the fact that SOME didn't get to the homeworld doesn't negate the fact that MANY did.

2. The ending showed they are not space faring now, but that doesn't mean they wont be again one day. Also that was of the Normandy colony, a small colony without access to factories like earth would have. for all we know by the time of the stargazer Earth has already rebuilt enough to colonize toe solar system again.

3. How can the homeworlds of the races rebuilt without aid? the same way civilization was built on them before access to space travel.

 

[synobal]

This is how I wished it had ending. Well not exactly but imo better then the actual ending.

I'm surprised so many people are annoyed with the destruction of the Mass Relays, the destruction really is a good thing. From a story telling point and logically. It keeps post war, conquering of other species by races that were not as hard hit in the reapers invasion from occurring.

With the destruction of the relays each race has maybe a century or more (my guesstimate) to recover from the invasion.

And if the Relays are kept... THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET TO PLACES TO ACTUALLY FUCKING HELP PEOPLE! Seriously, destroying the relays make so many choices voided. Out what was the point of saving the Quarian Homeworld if many of them will never see it as they're stuck on Earth?

And plus considering that the ending did imply that civilization continued, it showed that they weren't space faring anymore.

How can places recover without aid? How can the Krogan's get back to their homeworld? Or the Quarians? Asari? Turians? Espicially the Asari and Turians who worlds were burning.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that the entirety of each race was in the Sol system at the time. While it might be true that most of the military assets were in sol system (or might not of been) there were certainly noncombatants left alive on the home worlds and various colonies of each race. Including the Quarians.

The absence of a huge military force for every race, while they recover is likely to be a good thing in the long run I think. There had been a significant destruction of the power bases of each civilization in the game, and when ever that happens a vacuum occurs and it attempts to be filled.

Likely if the militaries had stayed around they would of fractured into a lot of smaller group all vying for leadership of their particular race or planet.