GamesRadar has now made an article on the possible leak:
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-4-survey-news-rumor/
http://www.gamesradar.com/mass-effect-4-survey-news-rumor/
Mass Effect 4 Details Possibly Leaked
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I'm glad to hear we are leaving Shepard behind. While he/she wasn't a bad character, three games is enough. So who do we get instead ...
Another boring human? Oh go fuck yourselves. I can be a human any time, especially in real life. Give us some freaky alien species to play as.
Although, this is all unconfirmed at this point.
Another boring human? Oh go fuck yourselves. I can be a human any time, especially in real life. Give us some freaky alien species to play as.
Although, this is all unconfirmed at this point.
Well definitely sounds ambitious. Don't really mind things like only being a human or taking place in a galaxy far far away, but as people said DAI was a very ambitious game fell short of what it promised, though in all honesty I still enjoyed the game. ME4 could definitively use more of a quality over quantity approach though.
So, you want to hear another story, huh? One where the very fate of
While I'm not particularly pleased by most of these rumors, I'll probably still end up buying it. ME1 and ME2 were genuinely great games, and even ME3 had its moments. I should probably wait until there's a GotY edition at discounted price, though.
I mentioned this earlier but the same is true of the other 2 endings. If you pick destroy all the AIs are dead and refusal means everyone is dead. No matter matter what ending is canon it should have a massive impact on the future. I don't really see how you can handwave it or keep it ambiguous as to which is canon if you are making a sequel that doesn't retcon the ending of Mass Effect 3.Johnisback said:
Really? I hope you don't have any aspirations of being a writer. Do you have any idea how enormous the galaxy is? And the plot could be about anything. A lot of fans would like a plot that's more personal, smaller, instead of galaxy saving usual crap. Why couldn't they make a crime drama set in Mass Effect universe? How about an RPG where you can play either as a criminal or Spectre that has to stop him. And depending on who you are, you end up with a different crew and completely different missions and outcomes. Possibilities are endless, and they opted for the same old "you're the chosen one" crap. For fuck sake, give us something new and exciting for a change. Not Dragon Age Inquisition set in Mass Effect universe that isn't even set in the right galaxy.ravenshrike said:
After creating that universe, they could have opted to make every other Mass Effect basically Grand Theft Auto in space if they wanted to. Hell, they could have made a Sims game set in ME universe or SimCity or anything else. They have an entire universe to play with and instead they chose to abandon it and start all over. It's bullshit.
1 - The universe is huge. Of course that the Reapers aren't an universe-level threat, and of course that the Reapers will be nothing more than a part of History if we're advanced enough to arrive to Andromeda. Are you personally affected by the Black Plague today? No. Is anyone? No. Does that devaluate it's power? Of course not. I really don't understand your angle here
2 - He didn't miss the point, your point just didn't make a single lick of sense. Do you see references to America in 10th Century European works, besides "it might exist"? No? Why is that? Because no one (Besides possibly Viking expeditioners and even that was short lived) was ever there. Of course the original series has no mention of Andromeda, because there's absolutely nothing we can do to reach it at the time frame of the trilogy so there's no reason to discuss it. Again, what the hell is your angle? Do you go around mentioning Mars in your day to day conversation, even though it's technically colonizable? More likely than not you talk about it for a bit when someone in the news mentions colonizing it, some experts talk about it, but besides that, nothing. It's perfectly acceptable, statistically probable even, that no one mentions Andromeda, because it's not important for almost any event.
3 - "How can modern day life be completely different than life in the 4th Century, but still be connected to it? Doesn't make any sense". This is how you sound right now.
4 - It's probably a Mako-model tank, not the Mako. Mako 600 or something like that. Blame that one on lazy writing
5 - It's perfectly normal for an advanced dead civilization to leave ruins and vaults behind. If a near-lovecraftian alien race of Harvesters is behind that advanced civilization's death, then you can start calling bullshit
Like seriously, I hated the ending, I'm still somewhat pissed at Bioware, and there are some things about this leak that I don't like, but you're really digging hard and deep to find something to complain about
2 - He didn't miss the point, your point just didn't make a single lick of sense. Do you see references to America in 10th Century European works, besides "it might exist"? No? Why is that? Because no one (Besides possibly Viking expeditioners and even that was short lived) was ever there. Of course the original series has no mention of Andromeda, because there's absolutely nothing we can do to reach it at the time frame of the trilogy so there's no reason to discuss it. Again, what the hell is your angle? Do you go around mentioning Mars in your day to day conversation, even though it's technically colonizable? More likely than not you talk about it for a bit when someone in the news mentions colonizing it, some experts talk about it, but besides that, nothing. It's perfectly acceptable, statistically probable even, that no one mentions Andromeda, because it's not important for almost any event.
3 - "How can modern day life be completely different than life in the 4th Century, but still be connected to it? Doesn't make any sense". This is how you sound right now.
4 - It's probably a Mako-model tank, not the Mako. Mako 600 or something like that. Blame that one on lazy writing
5 - It's perfectly normal for an advanced dead civilization to leave ruins and vaults behind. If a near-lovecraftian alien race of Harvesters is behind that advanced civilization's death, then you can start calling bullshit
Like seriously, I hated the ending, I'm still somewhat pissed at Bioware, and there are some things about this leak that I don't like, but you're really digging hard and deep to find something to complain about
considering it will require origin, I won't be getting it anyways (just like me3, sadly). That said, I'm glad to hear the mako's back: exploring with that thing was one of my favorite parts of the first game, especially when it actually tied into the story.
I mean, yeah, it's still just rumor, but it's not like EA was going to let the franchise just end. I love the idea that to try and put some distance between me4 and the colossal fuck up that the ending to me3 was, they took that literally and just set it in a galaxy far far away.
I mean, yeah, it's still just rumor, but it's not like EA was going to let the franchise just end. I love the idea that to try and put some distance between me4 and the colossal fuck up that the ending to me3 was, they took that literally and just set it in a galaxy far far away.
Adam Jensen said:
Completely agree. Sci Fi Writes Have No Sense Of Scale, I suppose. Mass Effect is a great universe to explore the day-to-day life. There are ton of opportunities: A Elite: Dangerous style game, crime drama as you said, Mercenary life, the aftermath of the Reaper War...
However, let me present a counterpoint to both our arguments
The Mass Effect Universe has been tainted by the ending. Most people just don't want to explore Synthesis and Control, because they're near literal fairytale endings (How lovely from a company which prizes itself in complex stories and worlds) - In Synthesis it's stated that most conflict ends because everyone's the same (Organic + Machine) so they understand each other (what a deeply racist message we've got here. There can only be peace between the same race). In Control, you pretty much got Fairy Godmother/father watching over and making sure you're safe, or Space Robot!Stalin ruling over you with an Iron Fist made of Reapers.
The original trilogy made one crass mistake (Besides that piece of shit ending) - it decided it wanted to be Space Opera right at the end, so every ending besides "Destroy" is a corny-ass EPIC! tale where the life in the Galaxy is changed forever and ever. Meaning the Mass Effect Universe we want to see explored is gone, as good as dead, because everything not Destroy changes it forever.
Which brings me to the counter-counterpoint. Why make a new Mass Effect game at all? Why not simply create a new IP? Or better yet, if you want so hard to cash in that sweet Mass Effect fan dosh, make a small-budgeted Choose Your Own Adventure visual novel that overrides the end of Mass Effect 3 and replaces it entirely. Stupid as all hell? Sure, but not as stupid as what we have now. Bioware wants to distance itself as much as possible from the trilogy, but there's no distance in the literal universe where you can separate complete genetic rewrite of every living being in the universe or Space Big Brother from your world. How the hell will they handle that short of making Destroy 100% canon - fucking with us even more than they already have by reducing the already stupid A, B, C choice to A, Eat Shit, Eat Shit Harder - and if you're doing that, why even go to another galaxy? Why not use the one you already have?
I really want this game to be good, and I really want to finally take the foul taste of ME3's last ten minutes out of my mouth.
I'm still somewhat hopeful, because it looks like the worst case scenario is a DA:I, good but not great, but this stinks of kneejerk reaction. And they still managed to fuck it up, because a proper kneejerk would be doing what most fans asked you and fix your goddamned ending
Is there anyone really surprised? They kind of painted themselves into an impossible corner with the ending of ME3. Which ending of the bad endings would they choose as cannon? Would it have been a game where you started off with low-tech to build it back up to the point where the races were reaching Protheon levels? Where in the Galaxy would you start at? And how would you out-match a near extinction by a mechanical/alien race that suddenly either A. Fell dead all of a sudden along with your own implants, AI's, Tech, and lights B. You found yourself glowing an eerie Matrix green and felt like the lawn mower man, or E - saw the extinction of your race before the big terrible machine suddenly stopped what they were doing and went away.
Boy. Such Choices!
And a blue print from DA:I? I don't want to re-hash what many have already posted. MMO lite with a dash of single player. Plus more gravy train micro-transaction filled multi-player because god knows we don't get enough 5 year olds telling you off in racist/sexist language they don't understand yet and some bored hacker that shuts the place down and takes your bank account in the same process.
I'd say wait for more facts before killing the horse but.... you know we once had an option by Bio-Ware where the general fan base was aloud to list what would royally piss them off concerning how Mass Effect 3 was going to be like and about 6 months later, the exact things listed and mentioned became a dark reality at its release so... if this is what it will be I am sure it will be another ho-hum.
The problem is --- as there are some of us whom will refuse to buy it, too many will because they are already shouting " Take my Money!" and all that nonsense. Players basically get what they cry for and there is nothing really that can be done because you know very well they will gin up the PR campaign and stuff the day 1 release with enough Nerd bait to make themselves a nice pay day to rinse and repeat later for the next one.
Sorry after what Casey Hudson and the gang had done years back, its leaves too much of a bitter almond tea to drink.
Boy. Such Choices!
And a blue print from DA:I? I don't want to re-hash what many have already posted. MMO lite with a dash of single player. Plus more gravy train micro-transaction filled multi-player because god knows we don't get enough 5 year olds telling you off in racist/sexist language they don't understand yet and some bored hacker that shuts the place down and takes your bank account in the same process.
I'd say wait for more facts before killing the horse but.... you know we once had an option by Bio-Ware where the general fan base was aloud to list what would royally piss them off concerning how Mass Effect 3 was going to be like and about 6 months later, the exact things listed and mentioned became a dark reality at its release so... if this is what it will be I am sure it will be another ho-hum.
The problem is --- as there are some of us whom will refuse to buy it, too many will because they are already shouting " Take my Money!" and all that nonsense. Players basically get what they cry for and there is nothing really that can be done because you know very well they will gin up the PR campaign and stuff the day 1 release with enough Nerd bait to make themselves a nice pay day to rinse and repeat later for the next one.
Sorry after what Casey Hudson and the gang had done years back, its leaves too much of a bitter almond tea to drink.
You know the whole build your colony angle by helping people do things sounds exactly like a fan post on the BW forums we were all just toying with the idea of what 3 would/could be like. This was a popular idea for a home base arrangement.
It doesn't sound that interesting to play Columbus in space though maybe they're working on the thing(s) that are going to try to kill us moreso then the local populous of the planets we reach?
The last artwork I saw looked too much like destiny aliens I wasn't impressed. The whole vault angle doesn't sound like it fits the ME universe already and sounds more like they'd like to be Tomb Raider or Borderlands in space. I don't like the idea of purely playing as a human just because I wanted to be my Qurian commander as she decimates the galaxy but given the plot is centering on human interest it's a give in hopefully I can make my fem hero awesome and they advertise her existance from the get go.
It doesn't sound that interesting to play Columbus in space though maybe they're working on the thing(s) that are going to try to kill us moreso then the local populous of the planets we reach?
The last artwork I saw looked too much like destiny aliens I wasn't impressed. The whole vault angle doesn't sound like it fits the ME universe already and sounds more like they'd like to be Tomb Raider or Borderlands in space. I don't like the idea of purely playing as a human just because I wanted to be my Qurian commander as she decimates the galaxy but given the plot is centering on human interest it's a give in hopefully I can make my fem hero awesome and they advertise her existance from the get go.
They could make a million games set before the events of Mass Effect 3. Or any of them for that matter. It's such a rich universe. It would actually be a lot more fun to set the game before because then you'd still have The Shadow Broker, Cerberus and The Collectors to play with. You know, you can make a game about almost any of the characters in Shepard's crew and the game could be amazing. A game about Wrex, or Garrus during his time as a C-sec officer or as Archangel. How about a game all about the adventures of Jack or Samara, Mordin, Kasumi, young Zaeed, Thane etc. Bioware doesn't even have to look very far to come up with amazing ideas. And that's if they want to be lazy instead of coming up with a new character. So why the fuck would they go to a completely new galaxy when there is so much untapped potential in the old one?JamesStone said:
I wouldn't mess with pre-quel content myself, that seems to be more associated with fan based fiction or left for books/comics to fill the void.
I think people would more or less want to play a game that has a suspenseful progression than pretty much knowing what will occur years down the road, it kind of kills the expectations.
I think people would more or less want to play a game that has a suspenseful progression than pretty much knowing what will occur years down the road, it kind of kills the expectations.
1. Actually it sounds more like Mass Effect 1. Exploration was key in that game (although I think they were a bit too ambitious; The Mako didn't really synergize with the environments and as a result it made exploration more of a chore).Rastrelly said:
2. We hardly know anything yet. The idea of 'intergalactic colonization' is so broad right now. We don't know the motives, stakes or how they even got there etc.
3. Well Bioware have said time and time again that they want to distance itself from the 'Shepard trilogy'. As long as the same alien races are present (along with new ones) I will be happy. Maybe a wormhole appeared and every race sent through a colonization fleet? I don't know, frankly they could write anything as long as Humans, Krogans, Drell, Hanar, Asari, Salarians, Volus, Elcor, Turians, Batarians, Quarians and the rest are all there for the ride!
4. I think Mass Effect 3 had the perfect balance of RPG and TPS combat. I hope they stick with that because it was fun and actually quite deep (play the MP and you will see how deep it can be). However, I agree on you with crafting. It makes loot pointless and generally brings the pace of the game to a screeching halt! Before every mission you'll have to upgrade your weapons and armour with your new found crafting materials from the previous mission! No thanks!
Final Verdict: Optimistic but there are a lot of little niggles I have that could detract from the game if not implemented well. I need to see more before I get angry about it though.
My (probably wrong) theory on how this alleged ME4 will avoid dealing with the multiple ME3 endings is this: the humans (and other races, if they're present) in Andromeda set out before the end of ME3. Either they found some sort of technology from these Remnant people (like a wormhole or extra-large mass relay or intergalactic FTL drive) or they managed to build one or more generation starships; either way, they left the Milky Way to escape the Reaper War and never went back, either because they didn't want to (e.g. they assumed everyone was dead) or because it was a one-way trip.
The ending to ME4 could involve potentially contacting the Milky Way again, and only then would the people from ME4 find out what ending you picked in ME3 (or the default ending, probably Destroy, if you're not using an imported save). If there's a ME5, this ending might still have comparatively little effect if the people in Andromeda can talk to the people in the Milky Way but not get back there.
The ending to ME4 could involve potentially contacting the Milky Way again, and only then would the people from ME4 find out what ending you picked in ME3 (or the default ending, probably Destroy, if you're not using an imported save). If there's a ME5, this ending might still have comparatively little effect if the people in Andromeda can talk to the people in the Milky Way but not get back there.
There are some logical problems with this though. Going to another Galaxy would not be easy. It would require years of preparation, custom built spacecraft, even entire ecosystems. And would this be for one race, or did we invite everyone? In that case how do we feed the Turians? How come no indoctrinated forces did not discover it? And how were we able to organise this while in the middle of a massive but short war? While also sending our best personnel, the personnel needed to build these intergalactic vessels, to work on the Crucible. And why set of for Andromeda if you are desperate, surely just go far enough into intergalactic space and then come back. Or to the closer Magellan Clouds. Going to Andromeda in this way would be like falling out of a boat, and instead of swimming to a nearby peer, instead deciding to swim to Tasmania.Keith Fraser said:
What, sort of like Star Trek Voyager?
I don't think you could drum up much interest for these kinds of stories. We already know what happened to these people, because Shepard got to be there for the best parts and even decided some of their fates. Certainly Garrus and Wrex and Jack and others are good characters, but we already know them. Besides, Mass Effect is an ensemble piece, none of them could carry a game alone.Adam Jensen said:
If so many people can't even replay the series because they know where it will all end, they won't make any profit by giving us details on stories we already got the gist of.
The relays work on a point-to-point system with one acting as an entrance, and one as an exit. The reapers would have a presence in the new galaxy if that is the case. It's being set in the Andromeda galaxy, 2.5 million light years away.EternallyBored said:
I want to play as an Asari, or Turian. There is (apparently) a Krogan team member.
It is EA, so I am not counting on it being a complete game at launch.
huh....interesting
its not clear weather or not this is a full sequel and the "galaxy far far away" angle seems to be retconning/handwaving I can get behind the idea of a clean slate though
I'm well past any emotional investment in this so I'm mildly interested to say the least,
also:
[quote/]It's professionally written and not fan-fiction[/quote]
it ALWAYS professionally written...even if one does doubt the quality
they fucked themselves over so badly that they really have no choice BUT to handwave
in other words they made their bed, now they got to lie in it...or set it on fire
I'd say its a real divide between what thease kinds of games were and what direction they are going, not to mention Bioware games get really polarizing due to the amount of emotional investment people have (there's a reason ME3's ending was what it was)
and I wouldn't even say its unfounded, personally for me its for different reasons
not because the games aren't "hardcore11RPG" anymore but because they have to be such big bloated projects that only have the option of being huge hits or blazing Hindenburg's
and as I said ...there IS no solution here, if they aren't going to wash their hands of the series (because MONEY) then a soft reboot is the less shitty option
cut your losses....start again, I'm actually not against that
its not clear weather or not this is a full sequel and the "galaxy far far away" angle seems to be retconning/handwaving I can get behind the idea of a clean slate though
I'm well past any emotional investment in this so I'm mildly interested to say the least,
also:
[quote/]It's professionally written and not fan-fiction[/quote]
it ALWAYS professionally written...even if one does doubt the quality
*shrug*Johnisback said:
they fucked themselves over so badly that they really have no choice BUT to handwave
in other words they made their bed, now they got to lie in it...or set it on fire
*shrug*IOwnTheSpire said:
I'd say its a real divide between what thease kinds of games were and what direction they are going, not to mention Bioware games get really polarizing due to the amount of emotional investment people have (there's a reason ME3's ending was what it was)
and I wouldn't even say its unfounded, personally for me its for different reasons
not because the games aren't "hardcore11RPG" anymore but because they have to be such big bloated projects that only have the option of being huge hits or blazing Hindenburg's
that ship has long since sailed.....Adam Jensen said:
and as I said ...there IS no solution here, if they aren't going to wash their hands of the series (because MONEY) then a soft reboot is the less shitty option
cut your losses....start again, I'm actually not against that