Master Racier

[Bad Jim]

can the human eye notice the difference between 60 and 120 fps?

Yes, the human eye can tell the difference:

I know there's a cap before it becomes redundant to increase fps, but I forget

There isn't a cap, though there are diminishing returns.

 

[bdeamon]

If Cory and Grey ever make a Critical Miss dating sim, Master Race Erin better be a character.

 

[Gatlank]

So... I'm a PC Master Peasant?

Hardly. Bottom line nobody cares unless you go full retard...like a console peasant.

so you're a retard if you play on consoles?

*looking both sides* Where did i say that?
Nobody cares if you own a console and dont give a rats ass about gaming on pc.
What makes a peasant is coments like these 'the human eye can't see above 30 fps', 'you need a 1000$ pc for gaming', 'wait until x company unlocks the hidden 84th processor', etc.

That's all well and good, but isn't there a point where throwing more FPS at the screen amounts to nothing, visually? I mean, we're all fairly limited meatbags with jelly orbs in place of visual apparatuses; there's no way the human eye can appreciate that high a framerate. There just might be a point where framerate matters more in terms of responsiveness, but even that's pretty subjective.

Visually the top is around 250 fps from an experience with airforce pilots.

 

[Tony2077]

So... I'm a PC Master Peasant?

Hardly. Bottom line nobody cares unless you go full retard...like a console peasant.

so you're a retard if you play on consoles?

*looking both sides* Where did i say that?
Nobody cares if you own a console and dont give a rats ass about gaming on pc.
What makes a peasant is coments like these 'the human eye can't see above 30 fps', 'you need a 1000$ pc for gaming', 'wait until x company unlocks the hidden 84th processor', etc.

so you're insulting the pests ok i have no problem with that

 

[mysecondlife]

Really makes you wonder what kind of rig Hitler has.

 

[Strelok]

Hey i'm cool with being a peasant if it means my games on the Xbox One work while certain games on PC don't work for crap.
... Looking at you Batman, looking at you bro.

How are the cinematic drops to 18 FPS in Just Cause 3? Maybe the ultra cinematic drops to 0 FPS in Fallout 4 are better? Possibly the 15 minute load times? Is it the inability to run 1080p in 2016? Is that games working on XBox One? You paid $350 or more plus extra to use the internet you already paid for by the way. Playing Batman: Arkham knight right now, runs very well, they fix the above issues on XBox One yet? Probably just chalk it up to hardware limitations.

On Topic: Haven't seen any of the behavior in the comic, is that really a thing?

 

[NPC009]

How are the cinematic drops to 18 FPS in Just Cause 3? Maybe the ultra cinematic drops to 0 FPS in Fallout 4 are better? Possibly the 15 minute load times? Is it the inability to run 1080p in 2016? Is that games working on XBox One? You paid $350 or more plus extra to use the internet you already paid for by the way. Playing Batman: Arkham knight right now, runs very well, they fix the above issues on XBox One yet? Probably just chalk it up to hardware limitations.

On Topic: Haven't seen any of the behavior in the comic, is that really a thing?

Ehm, you do know those issues are mostly a result of lack of optimalisation? The 15 minute load times happen because of severe memory leaks. PC gets bad port, consoles get bad ports, all gamers are screwed by companies that have enough fucks to give once they have their money.

On the other hand, if you avoid such companies, you can have a great time on pretty much any system.

As for the 1080p/60Hz thing: that's pretty much were Nintendo's Wii U games are at. Turns out it's less about size and more about what you do with it.

 

[Gatlank]

On Topic: Haven't seen any of the behavior in the comic, is that really a thing?

Only if you encounter a douche that wants to gloat about is new high end PC.

 

[Strelok]

Ehm, you do know those issues are mostly a result of lack of optimalisation? The 15 minute load times happen because of severe memory leaks. PC gets bad port, consoles get bad ports, all gamers are screwed by companies that have enough fucks to give once they have their money.

Fallout 4 and Just Cause 3 are not ports, all platforms were developed at the same time, and what is optimalisation? That isn't a word. If you really believe that is the case then of course these issues are fixed now correct? Nope not fixed... Hmmm must be something else. The 15 minute load times have nothing to do with memory leaks and everything to do with the 5400 SATA II connection, SATA II being limited to 300 MB/s transfer speed, you know, a hardware problem.

Also please explain Dead Rising 3 the XBox One exclusive at the time.

On the other hand, if you avoid such companies, you can have a great time on pretty much any system.

Consoles are pretty weak on games libraries 2 and half years in, I think if you choose to avoid these companies that don't "optimilazation" their games you won't be playing anything but Netflix... The top used application on both consoles by the way.

As for the 1080p/60Hz thing: that's pretty much were Nintendo's Wii U games are at. Turns out it's less about size and more about what you do with it.

LOLOCALYPSE!!!!!!11!1!1!!1!!ONE!!! What are you talking about? Buy all three consoles one might finally have 1080p and 60 FPS? Hey it's only 2016 now.

Only if you encounter a douche that wants to gloat about is new high end PC.

Encountering far more console fanatics and corporate shills with buyers remorse and chips on their shoulder than I see of your example. Are you sure that console fanatics are not the real epidemic to the gaming world?

 

[deadish]

There are three Pillars to the PC Master Race, they are FPS, Resolution, Modifications, and Backwards Compatibility.

Four, there are four Pillars to the PC Master Race, they are FPS, Resolution, Modifications, Backwards Compatibility, and Free Multiplayer.

Five, there are five Pillars to...

Fallout 3 doesn't run properly on Win 7. So much for that.

 

[deadish]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks Nazis when they hear PC master race.

That was kind of the joke - courtesy of Yahtzee.

Apparently it flew over the head of a good number of people.

 

[deadish]

What I love about pc gaming is the indie scene: so many games that actually show originality instead of being sequels!

/looks at Steam store

"Minecraft clone"
"Meatboy clone"
"Terraria clone"
"Survival game #45632"

How original. >.>

 

[deadish]

HW specs? Works fine for me no issues, but I've got an AMD processor. Looking it up, it appears most problems are fixed, which appear to be intel based, by forcing 2 HW thread AI and running in XPSP3 compatibility mode.

Steam still says "Notice: Fallout 3 is not optimized for Windows 7 and later."

Comments are filled with "tips" on how to fix it and complains.

Not exactly confidence inspiring.

The game just wasn't code to scale.

Lets not forget games like Deus Ex that had to be patched to work right on modern systems.

/looks at every form of mass media entertainment ever

Why, yes, there are many imitations, but you're still much more likely to get originality in a free system rather than a gatekept one.

Hey, I wasn't the one claiming how original games on PC are.

Ironically, clones are less common on consoles because many console makers don't approve cloned games for release - it's bad for everyone involved; revenue gets spread thin, game developers can't recoup their cost (especially the ones that made the original and had to do a ton of playtesting), good developer goes out of business, console makers lose another good developer who produces good games on their systems.

Also, generally, the likes of Sony (basically anyone that isn't Nintendo) let the market decide on what is good and what is bad. As long as your game doesn't crash like nuts (quite certain Bethesda only gets away with it because they are big and their games are in high demand), contain outright pornography, and isn't too similar to other titles (if your game is original, that shouldn't be a problem), they will allow it.

 

[JimB]

So the punchline is that people who use their gaming rigs as a substitute for their penises in dick-waving contests are Nazis? Because I can get behind that!

 

[Smooth Operator]

That's all well and good, but isn't there a point where throwing more FPS at the screen amounts to nothing, visually? I mean, we're all fairly limited meatbags with jelly orbs in place of visual apparatuses; there's no way the human eye can appreciate that high a framerate. There just might be a point where framerate matters more in terms of responsiveness, but even that's pretty subjective.

Well we aren't digital machines, we notice things in a certain range at certain conditions with a number of senses. Test have shown that a fighter pilot can spot an object that is in view for less then 0.3 milliseconds, which would translate into roughly 300+FPS to make that scenario possible. But it is only within our peripheral vision where we primarily spot movement and contrast, nothing is in color or focus however, our angular resolution also suffers. Our focus, colors and resolution is best in the middle of our vision, but we can't spot things as fast.

Of course at the end of the day subconscious response can always be drowned out by subjective interpretation, if you decide not to see something then that is how things will stay in ones head. Which is why most people will say they can't tell the difference, but blind test show 80-90% prefer a higher framerate.

 

[irishda]

The irony of so many of these PCMR comments is...actually its about what I expected based on past experiences, which doesn't really make their comments ironic as much as it is just awkward.

"PC Master Race is just a joke! A joke where we stop laughing the instant anyone ever criticizes PC gaming, because it's better than all other gaming. But, we're not elitists. Has anyone actually seen a PC gamer over-aggressively defend PC gaming against people who aren't specifically talking to them? Because I sure haven't. WHO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TROUBLESHOOT FAQs!?"