ME3: .....gay romance......why Kaiden and not Ashly?

[woodaba]

Because she's straight and a devout christian.

There. Done. /thread.

 

[TheCaptain]

In DA:O it works on approval. So if you're a dick, Morrigan will like you but Leliana won't. I thought that was good because Morrigan isn't going to fall in love with some awesome paladin, and Leliana won't fall in love with a dick.

It should be so that a character like Jack will only fall in love with strongly Renegade characters, whilst someone like Tali would only fall for a Paragon Shepard.

Well, while there's no approval rating in ME (which didn't work too well because of the huge amount of gifts in DA:O, you could just give everyone loads of stuff to make them like you), it kinda is like you said in some capacity.

Take Jack, for example.

Spoiler

If you hit that the first time you get the chance (Renegade), you get the engineering subdeck all sweaty, but afterwards she won't speak another word. You do the nice thing and talk her through her issues and stuff, you'll get the girl.

I guess there's only so much in-depth romance mechanics you can put into the game without it turning into some dating sim, but Mass Effect handled it quite well.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Hate to break it to you, but Ashley has been dead since Mass Effect 1. You cant romance a corpse.

 

[VonKlaw]

It seems even more odd given that they did gay Ashley conversations in ME1 (that they decided not to use) in the same way they did for Kaiden.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

Because she's straight and a devout christian.

There. Done. /thread.

To be fair her repressing her sexuality because of her faith could have made for great characterisation.

Also, femshep had way less romance options overall which is a bit of a shame =/

I've heard a few weren't included because the voice actors didn't want to voice gay/lesbian scenes which would be a real shame if it were true.

 

[Goofguy]

Ashley was always the family values type. The conversations you have with her in the first Mass Effect paint her as a devout Christian, xenophobe and somewhat intolerant. I'm not surprised that she wouldn't be a love interest for FemShep even if there was some characterization potential for an in-the-closet Ashley.

 

[Vault101]

Because not everyone in the world is gay?
Plus, what with the "Miranda-ing" of Ashley making her a lesbian would just seem lije massive pandering.

she wears her hair out..but I wouldnt call it "miranda-ing"

Hate to break it to you, but Ashley has been dead since Mass Effect 1. You cant romance a corpse.

the necrophelia comunity would like to have a word with you

Because she's straight and a devout christian.

There. Done. /thread.

To be fair her repressing her sexuality because of her faith could have made for great characterisation.

Also, femshep had way less romance options overall which is a bit of a shame =/

I've heard a few weren't included because the voice actors didn't want to voice gay/lesbian scenes which would be a real shame if it were true.

that sounds [strike/]hot[/S] interesting

hmmm....I dont think thats true..it just sounds unlikley, Kaiden does it...plus there voice actors,

PLUS shepard romnacing aliens

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

Because not everyone in the world is gay?
Plus, what with the "Miranda-ing" of Ashley making her a lesbian would just seem lije massive pandering.

she wears her hair out..but I wouldnt call it "miranda-ing"

Hate to break it to you, but Ashley has been dead since Mass Effect 1. You cant romance a corpse.

the necrophelia comunity would like to have a word with you

Because she's straight and a devout christian.

There. Done. /thread.

To be fair her repressing her sexuality because of her faith could have made for great characterisation.

Also, femshep had way less romance options overall which is a bit of a shame =/

I've heard a few weren't included because the voice actors didn't want to voice gay/lesbian scenes which would be a real shame if it were true.

that sounds [strike/]hot[/S] interesting

hmmm....I dont think thats true..it just sounds unlikley, Kaiden does it...plus there voice actors,

PLUS shepard romnacing aliens

The voice actors for the other characters i mean, not Sheps VA.
It was specifically Talis VA who i heard this about, although i can't remember the source.
It was just a rumour though, although it seemed plausible.

 

[hazabaza1]

Because not everyone in the world is gay?
Plus, what with the "Miranda-ing" of Ashley making her a lesbian would just seem lije massive pandering.

she wears her hair out..but I wouldnt call it "miranda-ing"

Didn't Bioware say before release that they were trying to take inspiration from Miranda? Or at least, they used the word "sexy" a lot.
Still, I suppose it's not all as ridiculous as Miranda. Ashley wears two layers of tight clothing so it doesn't wrap around her arse.

 

[Vault101]

Because not everyone in the world is gay?
Plus, what with the "Miranda-ing" of Ashley making her a lesbian would just seem lije massive pandering.

she wears her hair out..but I wouldnt call it "miranda-ing"

Didn't Bioware say before release that they were trying to take inspiration from Miranda? Or at least, they used the word "sexy" a lot.
Still, I suppose it's not all as ridiculous as Miranda. Ashley wears two layers of tight clothing so it doesn't wrap around her arse.

I read in thr artbook they wanted to add "sex apeal"

I can understand why it would seem a little out of place for ashley

for miranda on the otherhand you could say its part of her charachter, and I think it also gives you a feel for how cerberus is a different kind of organisation than aliance military

 

[Kahunaburger]

massive pandering.

I'm shocked, shocked, to find pandering going on in a Bioware game.

I went for a casual man-man meal in the Citadel then he decided to start talking about marraige and being with me forever. IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE.

Also part of the classic Bioware experience. I don't think it has anything to do with sexuality - their flags for what constitutes a "romance" are all kinds of messed up. I seem to remember Leliana coming off as a crazed stalker who was convinced the Warden was in love with her because they had a conversation about past relationships once. (That I skipped through most of because Leliana has an obnoxious voice.)

 

[Dr Jones]

I guess they figured that FemShep already had enough lady suitors (Allers, Traynor and Liara) without adding more to them and I guess they decided that Man-Shep needed at least one more..

I dont belive Liara counts

and Allers?....ppffffffft

at least I like traynor

but yeah.. I guess I'm more disapointed than anything, still its about time I did a playthrough and saved ashly on virmire,

Come on, Liara definitely counts. Jim Sterling had a good analogy for it..

 

[OldNewNewOld]

AFAIK, Ashly once said that she was religious, which usually means not gay.
Religion and homosexuality don't go together.

 

[Leodiensian]

All I wanted was for Garrus to be bi....... imagine that conversation.

Actually, that's something that kind of struck me as weird about romancing aliens in Mass Effect - surely they wouldn't particularly care about your character's gender? Or at least they'd have different conceptions of sexuality. If they were willing to get romanced by someone not of their species, the GENDER of that individual is unlikely to be a big issue (unless they're quite picky xenophiles) and they probably realise that babies are unlikely to result. The whole asari "we're all space bisexuals" makes more sense than Garrus only going after FemShep - hell, turians barely have any physical difference between males and females.

 

[JediMB]

The reasoning I had a year or two ago was that if Ashley was bi, she probably would've said something when/if a female Shepard showed interest in Liara back in Mass Effect 1. In contrast, there was no way for a male Shepard to show an interest in men in that game, which is why it can more easily be believed that Kaidan is bi.

While I would have loved a FemShep/Ashley romance, I think the bigger problem in ME3 is the lack of male love interests for FemShep. Jacob has someone else and Thane does what Thane does, so we're just left with Kaidan and Garrus.

To be perfectly blunt, I think BioWare prioritized romances of interest to straight males. (That said, I appreciate the attempt to diversify.)

 

[Der_SchwarzAdler]

I don't think that would fit in with Ash's character. She has been portrayed as very traditional with regards to her beliefs, so it makes since that she is straight only option.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Religion and homosexuality don't go together.

Although that said I'm 100% okay with Bioware not homogenizing character sexuality just because their fanbase is full of creepy shippers.

 

[Vault101]

I'm shocked, shocked, to find pandering going on in a Bioware game.

mabye they figured it was only fair since Femsehp was getting a make-over (and her model was due for an update)

Come on, Liara definitely counts. Jim Sterling had a good analogy for it..

she does and she doesnt in a way I supose...

I dont buy the "mono gendered" argument, she has female traits to us, so yeah..its a gay roance

Actually, that's something that kind of struck me as weird about romancing aliens in Mass Effect - surely they wouldn't particularly care about your character's gender? Or at least they'd have different conceptions of sexuality. If they were willing to get romanced by someone not of their species, the GENDER of that individual is unlikely to be a big issue (unless they're quite picky xenophiles) and they probably realise that babies are unlikely to result. The whole asari "we're all space bisexuals" makes more sense than Garrus only going after FemShep - hell, turians barely have any physical difference between males and females.

I know what you mean, Id be inclined to think the same thing

same way in that wrex doesnt make a huge deal that fmeshep is female (I know thats just a game thing) but it also makes sense, because to wrex shepard is "human solder" first and foremost

I supose people still apply their veiws on gender to charachters, even if they are aliens, so therefore to many peopel the Idea of shepard being "gay" for maleshep just seems weird...even though it makes sense in how you explain it, considering the reactions to gay romance I think plenty of people would have trouble wrapping their heads around the Idea

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm shocked, shocked, to find pandering going on in a Bioware game.

mabye they figured it was only fair since Femsehp was getting a make-over (and her model was due for an update)

Also pandering.

Seriously, what is the point to shit [http://www.themarysue.com/the-ongoing-saga-of-commander-shepards-hair-of-all-things/] like this [http://www.destructoid.com/why-the-mass-effect-3-femshep-vote-was-the-wrong-move-208186.phtml]?