Message to all anime viewers(NSFW): Cross Ange Tenshi to Ryu no Rondo

[Baron Teapot]

You can say the same out of context gibberish about Berserk too. Doesn't mean it's not one of the best things ever. Why do you need to sound the alarm? To protect people's sensitive sensibilities? Sounds kinda silly to me.

Dreiko, Casca's rape in Berserk is a huge part of the story. This proud, strong woman, and Guts' first love, is destroyed purely to provoke Guts. Her rape is what fuels Guts' rage, and serves to illustrate how far Griffith has fallen, resorting to inhuman acts of cruelty, all for the sake of his dream.

It leads the audience to question whether his ambition is worth it, and places us squarely on Guts' side, seeing Griffith as a monster whose Faustian deal has cost him his humanity and left him a cold-hearted monster. It fits perfectly with the characters' identities and the themes of the manga.

There is a difference between change of tone and just writing bullshit for shock value or masturbation material, if you find this fap material good writing you can masturbate to it all you want. I also recommend avengers 200 you might like it.

I understand what you're saying. Truly, I feel that these sorts of publicity stunts, where content creators add something controversial not because it serves the story or the characters, but for the sake of stirring up controversy and shallow news reports, are absolutely pathetic to me.

I don't want to watch this anime, because I now know that the creators are goons who are incapable of enticing me with a beautifully-written story and engaging characters - they wouldn't have had to insert such inconsequential dreck if it were any good. Simple as that, really.

 

[Baron Teapot]

So what?

It's an incredibly poor argument, to join a discussion forum and, to anything you don't like or don't understand, demand that everyone "move on" because "nobody cares". If you don't want to discuss this, then please don't.

I'm just gonna say that it doesn't matter what ACTUALLY happened in the scene.
It's sexualized a fetishized to the point that the creators intended to imply some sort of rape.

It's not satire either because the show starts with fan-service and sexualizing characters.
It's like ecchi anime that has milk being spilled on some girls. You can argue that it's just milk, but the frame work of the scene just implies it's something else.

If it's satire the joke is obvious. It kind of looks like she's being raped

Well, I have to disagree here. What is actually SHOWN does matter. You are assuming what the creators implied based on your own opinion. Unless you find a legitimate quote of the creator saying "I intended this to seem like rape" then you can say what you are saying but you are basing this off simply because you believe it was rape cause it's a fan service show. You saw the scene as implied rape but I saw it as a naive child falling from grace into hell. You take a rich girl and throw her in a harsh prison, I am sure you will see the same look on their face.

That's great if the scene was framed that way, but, it's kind of strange to linger on her ass and then have one of the characters rip off her panties. It's still technically rape if it's implied that she shoved something up her butt.

You can rape someone without the part where you're actually having intercourse. I'm not saying you can't have rape in a scene for story reasons, but it's the framing. She gets violated and and it's framed in a very similar manner to hentai porn.

Here's the jist, if it's a horrible rape scene, then show that it's horrible, but this was a bit too eroticized for it's own good and completely out of context.

Ugh.. i swear to god...

No its not strange...

No its not a pure coincidence that they framed the shot like that... its fanservice.. blatant at that...

No its not "the worst thing evar!!!!!" because they did it... infact its rather tame compared to other stuff thats airing on their TV networks.

No this anime is not for you if you find this "offensive"... so dont watch it

But stop making a huge fuss about it and simply MOVE ON. The world will still be moving tomorrow, womens rights in the west are not endangered because of this scene and the japanese really... REALLY dont give a fuck what we think anyways. They still hunt whales even thought the international outcry is much larger then against this run of the mill fanservice anime.

So you guys comming here complaining to US that this show is oh so horrible is a complete waste of time and just shows that this internet social justice nonsense is just one huge puff of smoke.

Cause unlike in the west no one in japan will get fired or reprimanded because someone in the US is offended over... Something.

This discussion is entirely pointless....

You guys come here and say "this scene is horrible!!" to wich everyone answers "SO WHAT?" to wich you keep answering "BUT ITS SO HORRIBLE!"

We... get... it...

Now let it go...

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Now let it go...

No.

Resist.

You can do this, Gryph. Resist it. You didn't even like the god damned mov-

LET IT GOOOOOOOOO! LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Can't hoooold the ecchi back anymoooooooooooooore!

-Fuck!

 

[Karadalis]

Now let it go...

No.

Resist.

You can do this, Gryph. Resist it. You didn't even like the god damned mov-

LET IT GOOOOOOOOO! LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Can't hoooold the ecchi back anymoooooooooooooore!

-Fuck!

Believe me that when i wrote the post above i really... REALLY... had to resist posting the youtube vid. Even thought it would be very fitting for the current situation.

So what?

It's an incredibly poor argument, to join a discussion forum and, to anything you don't like or don't understand, demand that everyone "move on" because "nobody cares". If you don't want to discuss this, then please don't.

Heres the thing thought:

There is no discussion.

We established that this scene is not for everyone, that it might be poorly implemented, and that it shows ass.

Case...closed.

There is nothing else to tell about it. There arent any more insights or revelations to be had by discussing the scene.

The OP came here because the scene offended him and he wanted to share this sentiment. People told him that its not the end of days if he doesnt like it and he aknowledged that there are infact people who enjoy stuff like that... dispite how terrible or not it was implemented.

What else is there left? All i see is certain people repeating the same things they have written over and over in this thread before.

That the scene is offensive to them

That the scene is badly implemented.

That the scene should not exist in their opinion.

Its not exactly as if these people are discussing anything, they just repeat the mantra at this point, wich was allready aknowledged. No one actually claims that this scene is somehow not bad or not blatant fan service.

So unless you have something new insights or arguments to bring into the discussion i think you are in no position to call me out.

 

[Ruisu]

The thing is, people love their circlejerking.

I too really don't get the whole discussion, because it won't get anywhere else at this point.

Heres the thing thought:

There is no discussion.

We established that this scene is not for everyone, that it might be poorly implemented, and that it shows ass.

Case...closed.

There is nothing else to tell about it. There arent any more insights or revelations to be had by discussing the scene.

The OP came here because the scene offended him and he wanted to share this sentiment. People told him that its not the end of days if he doesnt like it and he aknowledged that there are infact people who enjoy stuff like that... dispite how terrible or not it was implemented.

What else is there left? All i see is certain people repeating the same things they have written over and over in this thread before.

That the scene is offensive to them

That the scene is badly implemented.

That the scene should not exist in their opinion.

Its not exactly as if these people are discussing anything, they just repeat the mantra at this point, wich was allready aknowledged. No one actually claims that this scene is somehow not bad or not blatant fan service.

So unless you have something new insights or arguments to bring into the discussion i think you are in no position to call me out.

 

[Otakun]

I'm just gonna say that it doesn't matter what ACTUALLY happened in the scene.
It's sexualized a fetishized to the point that the creators intended to imply some sort of rape.

It's not satire either because the show starts with fan-service and sexualizing characters.
It's like ecchi anime that has milk being spilled on some girls. You can argue that it's just milk, but the frame work of the scene just implies it's something else.

If it's satire the joke is obvious. It kind of looks like she's being raped

Well, I have to disagree here. What is actually SHOWN does matter. You are assuming what the creators implied based on your own opinion. Unless you find a legitimate quote of the creator saying "I intended this to seem like rape" then you can say what you are saying but you are basing this off simply because you believe it was rape cause it's a fan service show. You saw the scene as implied rape but I saw it as a naive child falling from grace into hell. You take a rich girl and throw her in a harsh prison, I am sure you will see the same look on their face.

That's great if the scene was framed that way, but, it's kind of strange to linger on her ass and then have one of the characters rip off her panties. It's still technically rape if it's implied that she shoved something up her butt.

You can rape someone without the part where you're actually having intercourse. I'm not saying you can't have rape in a scene for story reasons, but it's the framing. She gets violated and and it's framed in a very similar manner to hentai porn.

Here's the jist, if it's a horrible rape scene, then show that it's horrible, but this was a bit too eroticized for it's own good and completely out of context.

What do you think happens when you are sent to prison? You are stripped and then you are examined. Yes, that means an anal exam as well. If this is rape then there are a lot more rape victims in prison then what is already claimed and again with this "framing" thing. Framing means how you see it unless stated officially which I am sure you have no word on. It wasn't rape, it wasn't "eroticized" (aint a word) IMO. You are taking it that way cause it's a fan service anime. The scene was done in context of the show, she was a princess that was found out to be considered a norma which are not considered human anymore. So, they had to break her down from her high horse and make her realize that she is nothing anymore to then build her back up into a soldier. That's what the military does. You can consider it harsh, cause it was but it isnt rape.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I'm just gonna say that it doesn't matter what ACTUALLY happened in the scene.
It's sexualized a fetishized to the point that the creators intended to imply some sort of rape.

It's not satire either because the show starts with fan-service and sexualizing characters.
It's like ecchi anime that has milk being spilled on some girls. You can argue that it's just milk, but the frame work of the scene just implies it's something else.

If it's satire the joke is obvious. It kind of looks like she's being raped

Well, I have to disagree here. What is actually SHOWN does matter. You are assuming what the creators implied based on your own opinion. Unless you find a legitimate quote of the creator saying "I intended this to seem like rape" then you can say what you are saying but you are basing this off simply because you believe it was rape cause it's a fan service show. You saw the scene as implied rape but I saw it as a naive child falling from grace into hell. You take a rich girl and throw her in a harsh prison, I am sure you will see the same look on their face.

That's great if the scene was framed that way, but, it's kind of strange to linger on her ass and then have one of the characters rip off her panties. It's still technically rape if it's implied that she shoved something up her butt.

You can rape someone without the part where you're actually having intercourse. I'm not saying you can't have rape in a scene for story reasons, but it's the framing. She gets violated and and it's framed in a very similar manner to hentai porn.

Here's the jist, if it's a horrible rape scene, then show that it's horrible, but this was a bit too eroticized for it's own good and completely out of context.

What do you think happens when you are sent to prison? You are stripped and then you are examined. Yes, that means an anal exam as well. If this is rape then there are a lot more rape victims in prison then what is already claimed and again with this "framing" thing. Framing means how you see it unless stated officially which I am sure you have no word on. It wasn't rape, it wasn't "eroticized" (aint a word) IMO. You are taking it that way cause it's a fan service anime. The scene was done in context of the show, she was a princess that was found out to be considered a norma which are not considered human anymore. So, they had to break her down from her high horse and make her realize that she is nothing anymore to then build her back up into a soldier. That's what the military does. You can consider it harsh, cause it was but it isnt rape.

Framing is not how a person sees it, it's how the camera shows a scene. Given how the shot focus for some of it was on the panties (shown in slow motion while the clothing was cut) and the ass covered by the norma officer's uniform, I'm not sure what the purpose of the scene is. If they wanted a brutal prison feel, why not focus on the face since that expresses the raw emotion better than body language for this type of setting. If it was a implant operation, why the bottom of the spine when better signals can be collected in the brain or back of the neck. If it's a physical, fine but show the face in distorted pain and horror, not the panties and ass in slow motion.

You want to show a scene of a person being broken, show the person's agony as they are held down, not the ass. Framing is everything in a visual medium like anime. Fanservice can be used at good times but not like this.

 

[VectorSlip]

I'm just gonna say that it doesn't matter what ACTUALLY happened in the scene.
It's sexualized a fetishized to the point that the creators intended to imply some sort of rape.

It's not satire either because the show starts with fan-service and sexualizing characters.
It's like ecchi anime that has milk being spilled on some girls. You can argue that it's just milk, but the frame work of the scene just implies it's something else.

If it's satire the joke is obvious. It kind of looks like she's being raped

Well, I have to disagree here. What is actually SHOWN does matter. You are assuming what the creators implied based on your own opinion. Unless you find a legitimate quote of the creator saying "I intended this to seem like rape" then you can say what you are saying but you are basing this off simply because you believe it was rape cause it's a fan service show. You saw the scene as implied rape but I saw it as a naive child falling from grace into hell. You take a rich girl and throw her in a harsh prison, I am sure you will see the same look on their face.

That's great if the scene was framed that way, but, it's kind of strange to linger on her ass and then have one of the characters rip off her panties. It's still technically rape if it's implied that she shoved something up her butt.

You can rape someone without the part where you're actually having intercourse. I'm not saying you can't have rape in a scene for story reasons, but it's the framing. She gets violated and and it's framed in a very similar manner to hentai porn.

Here's the jist, if it's a horrible rape scene, then show that it's horrible, but this was a bit too eroticized for it's own good and completely out of context.

What do you think happens when you are sent to prison? You are stripped and then you are examined. Yes, that means an anal exam as well. If this is rape then there are a lot more rape victims in prison then what is already claimed and again with this "framing" thing. Framing means how you see it unless stated officially which I am sure you have no word on. It wasn't rape, it wasn't "eroticized" (aint a word) IMO. You are taking it that way cause it's a fan service anime. The scene was done in context of the show, she was a princess that was found out to be considered a norma which are not considered human anymore. So, they had to break her down from her high horse and make her realize that she is nothing anymore to then build her back up into a soldier. That's what the military does. You can consider it harsh, cause it was but it isnt rape.

Framing is not how a person sees it, it's how the camera shows a scene. Given how the shot focus for some of it was on the panties (shown in slow motion while the clothing was cut) and the ass covered by the norma officer's uniform, I'm not sure what the purpose of the scene is. If they wanted a brutal prison feel, why not focus on the face since that expresses the raw emotion better than body language for this type of setting. If it was a implant operation, why the bottom of the spine when better signals can be collected in the brain or back of the neck. If it's a physical, fine but show the face in distorted pain and horror, not the panties and ass in slow motion.

You want to show a scene of a person being broken, show the person's agony as they are held down, not the ass. Framing is everything in a visual medium like anime. Fanservice can be used at good times but not like this.

I'll agree that framing is how the camera shows the scene. But even with the fan service its hard to say that you don't understand what the scene is supposed to be. 1, because the scene doesn't start there, it starts when she gets on the island and starts arguing with the officer. 2, its framed it the greater context of the story so far with how her and her society view norma and the royal family.

As I've said before the fan service in this show has been more casual then gratuitous (i.e. boobfalls and matrix tits), so the only really extensively fanservicey shot is her ass being covered up by the doctor. Even so it doesn't take away too much from the gravitas of the situation because its only a few seconds long and just as facial expressions can convey horror, so too can words and body language, so I wouldn't necessarily say that them conveying the sadness of the scene through that is much worse than choosing to convey it through facial expressions.

Framing may be a good chunk of what determines what we "see" in anime but it isn't everything. Score, writing, animation, and context are all as important as how a scene is framed and how it can be interpreted by the audience, as clearly evidenced by how both of us were able to come away with very different messages from essentially the same viewing experience.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I'm just gonna say that it doesn't matter what ACTUALLY happened in the scene.
It's sexualized a fetishized to the point that the creators intended to imply some sort of rape.

It's not satire either because the show starts with fan-service and sexualizing characters.
It's like ecchi anime that has milk being spilled on some girls. You can argue that it's just milk, but the frame work of the scene just implies it's something else.

If it's satire the joke is obvious. It kind of looks like she's being raped

Well, I have to disagree here. What is actually SHOWN does matter. You are assuming what the creators implied based on your own opinion. Unless you find a legitimate quote of the creator saying "I intended this to seem like rape" then you can say what you are saying but you are basing this off simply because you believe it was rape cause it's a fan service show. You saw the scene as implied rape but I saw it as a naive child falling from grace into hell. You take a rich girl and throw her in a harsh prison, I am sure you will see the same look on their face.

That's great if the scene was framed that way, but, it's kind of strange to linger on her ass and then have one of the characters rip off her panties. It's still technically rape if it's implied that she shoved something up her butt.

You can rape someone without the part where you're actually having intercourse. I'm not saying you can't have rape in a scene for story reasons, but it's the framing. She gets violated and and it's framed in a very similar manner to hentai porn.

Here's the jist, if it's a horrible rape scene, then show that it's horrible, but this was a bit too eroticized for it's own good and completely out of context.

What do you think happens when you are sent to prison? You are stripped and then you are examined. Yes, that means an anal exam as well. If this is rape then there are a lot more rape victims in prison then what is already claimed and again with this "framing" thing. Framing means how you see it unless stated officially which I am sure you have no word on. It wasn't rape, it wasn't "eroticized" (aint a word) IMO. You are taking it that way cause it's a fan service anime. The scene was done in context of the show, she was a princess that was found out to be considered a norma which are not considered human anymore. So, they had to break her down from her high horse and make her realize that she is nothing anymore to then build her back up into a soldier. That's what the military does. You can consider it harsh, cause it was but it isnt rape.

Framing is not how a person sees it, it's how the camera shows a scene. Given how the shot focus for some of it was on the panties (shown in slow motion while the clothing was cut) and the ass covered by the norma officer's uniform, I'm not sure what the purpose of the scene is. If they wanted a brutal prison feel, why not focus on the face since that expresses the raw emotion better than body language for this type of setting. If it was a implant operation, why the bottom of the spine when better signals can be collected in the brain or back of the neck. If it's a physical, fine but show the face in distorted pain and horror, not the panties and ass in slow motion.

You want to show a scene of a person being broken, show the person's agony as they are held down, not the ass. Framing is everything in a visual medium like anime. Fanservice can be used at good times but not like this.

I'll agree that framing is how the camera shows the scene. But even with the fan service its hard to say that you don't understand what the scene is supposed to be. 1, because the scene doesn't start there, it starts when she gets on the island and starts arguing with the officer. 2, its framed it the greater context of the story so far with how her and her society view norma and the royal family.

As I've said before the fan service in this show has been more casual then gratuitous (i.e. boobfalls and matrix tits), so the only really extensively fanservicey shot is her ass being covered up by the doctor. Even so it doesn't take away too much from the gravitas of the situation because its only a few seconds long and just as facial expressions can convey horror, so too can words and body language, so I wouldn't necessarily say that them conveying the sadness of the scene through that is much worse than choosing to convey it through facial expressions.

Framing may be a good chunk of what determines what we "see" in anime but it isn't everything. Score, writing, animation, and context are all as important as how a scene is framed and how it can be interpreted by the audience, as clearly evidenced by how both of us were able to come away with very different messages from essentially the same viewing experience.

At this point I'm willing to say that the scene tried to do both a hard heavy fall from grace and a bit of fanservice but given how tired I am of fanservice in anime, that little bit makes me question how they will integrate it into the rest of the show and if it will be as jarring as this scene.

Regardless, the framing could be definitely better and lets hope the fanservice doesn't get in the way of any important scenes because if this show is just an excuse to have lesbian fanservice, I am dropping it.

 

[VectorSlip]

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At this point I'm willing to say that the scene tried to do both a hard heavy fall from grace and a bit of fanservice but given how tired I am of fanservice in anime, that little bit makes me question how they will integrate it into the rest of the show and if it will be as jarring as this scene.

Regardless, the framing could be definitely better and lets hope the fanservice doesn't get in the way of any important scenes because if this show is just an excuse to have lesbian fanservice, I am dropping it.

Thats completely understandable. If the show turns out not to be for you then no harm, no foul. Personally I don't mind the fanservice Especially since it looks to be a slightly different type of fanservice than the ecchi i've seen in the past. I think they'll integrate it well enough into the show without it taking away from the truly awesome aspects of the show like the incoming dragon fights and political intrgue. Im looking forward to that as well so we'll just have to wait and see.

Captcha: Freezing

heh

 

[gagagaga]

Lol, the people going "it wasn't really rape! And it served a narrative purpose, so it's fine!" apparently are blind to any sort of framing. When a woman gets bent over a table, with lots of shots on her wriggling panty-clad ass and has something shoved up it, it's hard to argue that it's anything but a rape scene meant to titillate. Not to mention the aftermath where she's lying there with blood coming out of her ass (I think it's "actually" her mother's, but it's pretty clearly placed to look like it's coming from her ass). Yeah, it was supposed to bring her to her "lowest point" or whatever, but this is the message it was sending: "Hey, this is pretty fucked up... but kinda hot, right?"

If you don't find that gross, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

Lol, the people going "it wasn't really rape! And it served a narrative purpose, so it's fine!" apparently are blind to any sort of framing. When a woman gets bent over a table, with lots of shots on her wriggling panty-clad ass and has something shoved up it, it's hard to argue that it's anything but a rape scene meant to titillate. Not to mention the aftermath where she's lying there with blood coming out of her ass (I think it's "actually" her mother's, but it's pretty clearly placed to look like it's coming from her ass). Yeah, it was supposed to bring her to her "lowest point" or whatever, but this is the message it was sending: "Hey, this is pretty fucked up... but kinda hot, right?"

If you don't find that gross, I don't know what to tell you.

Woah, it's like rape fetishes don't exist.

 

[Piorn]

I never understood the appeal of Anal. I hear it makes physical sense in males, prostate stimulation and all, but other than that?

And I really don't understand this thread. A show, just like anything else in the world, only has value if you get invested into it. If you don't, it's just part of the blur of shows you didn't watch or don't care about.

 

[VectorSlip]

I never understood the appeal of Anal. I hear it makes physical sense in males, prostate stimulation and all, but other than that?

And I really don't understand this thread. A show, just like anything else in the world, only has value if you get invested into it. If you don't, it's just part of the blur of shows you didn't watch or don't care about.

FTR neither have I, but I don't think the mass appeal of the ass comes primarily from people liking anal. its more the roundness/squishinees and also its relations to the hips (Imo the sexiest part of the female body)

But you're right. People wanted to talk about it and it looks like they just about talked themselves out. So the people who enjoy the show will enjoy it and the people who wont will ignore it. After a few more episodes They'll part their ways soon enough.

 

[Entitled]

I kinda wish the Escapist forums had an "ignore" button.

There ARE some times, when moral criticism of media goes out of hand, and we need a strong moderate stance from average commenters, to point out that it's a forced outrage and there is nothing to see there.

Then there are cases where people applying the exact same lines of obliviousness to a blatantly disturbing scene in a generally low quality anime, that needs no particular defense.

I'm just saying, it would be nice to filter out the kind of ideologues who would automatically defend any rape scene's merits by playing dumb about how no one can objectively PROVE that it was tasteless. This thread would be a goldmine for gathering a list of people whose knee-jerk stances are irrelevant in a genuinely ambiguous discussion.

 

[Karadalis]

I kinda wish the Escapist forums had an "ignore" button.

There ARE some times, when moral criticism of media goes out of hand, and we need a strong moderate stance from average commenters, to point out that it's a forced outrage and there is nothing to see there.

Then there are cases where people applying the exact same lines of obliviousness to a blatantly disturbing scene in a generally low quality anime, that needs no particular defense.

I'm just saying, it would be nice to filter out the kind of ideologues who would automatically defend any rape scene's merits by playing dumb about how no one can objectively PROVE that it was tasteless. This thread would be a goldmine for gathering a list of people whose knee-jerk stances are irrelevant in a genuinely ambiguous discussion.

The hypocrisy is strong in this one...

As was pointed out before, if people who get offended to easaly wouldnt make such a stink about things less people would want to check out the anime then if they had simply ignored it and not tried to raise a shitstorm about it.

Also please answer me this: Why do you think this anime needs condemnation? Because it offends you? Hurt your aesthetical feeling? Made you feel uncomfortable?

How about not watching the bloody thing then instead of telling people what they should and should not enjoy and what anime creators should or should not put into their anime?

I mean are you some sort of authority on the field of anime that we all should obey to? No? Then please stop this "holier then thou" nonsense.

It is annoying as hell.

 

[Entitled]

Why do you think this anime needs condemnation? Because it offends you? Hurt your aesthetical feeling? Made you feel uncomfortable?

All three of the above.

How about not watching the bloody thing then instead of telling people what they should and should not enjoy and what anime creators should or should not put into their anime?

Fortunately, it's not an either-or choice. I'm perfectly capable of both stopping to watch it, AND expressing my displeasure at it having been made at the same time.

I mean are you some sort of authority on the field of anime that we all should obey to? No? Then please stop this "holier then thou" nonsense.

It is annoying as hell.

You are being very rude. Other people having their own stances on an issue is not an "authority" trying to make you "obey". If it would be, then right now I would be very concerned about you trying to silence me just because you find me annoying.

 

[Otakun]

For anyone who has seen episode 2, now that's showing sexual assault. Not this implication or framing bull crap you guys are complaining about.

 

[Entitled]

For anyone who has seen episode 2, now that's showing sexual assault. Not this implication or framing bull crap you guys are complaining about.

*sigh*

And I was just about to move on. Well, whatever.

Woe to the wicked! Sancho, my armor, my sword!

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

For anyone who has seen episode 2, now that's showing sexual assault. Not this implication or framing bull crap you guys are complaining about.

You really think that framing has nothing to do in a visual medium do you?

I will watch that episode when Crunchy streams it and post a reaction thread but if the first episode is any implication, the purpose of that scene and the framing of it within the context of the episode will probably offend me and a lot of people