All nVidia seems to do these days is produce faulty hardware, and does Microsoft even make games anymore? Doesn't seem like that big of a loss.
Microsoft and Nvidia Quit PC Gaming Alliance - UPDATED
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You know, looking at them, I don't think there's a lot that they really did all that well anyway. The only possibility is getting a forum for the businesses to talk to each other, but that's not really necessary. If they want to talk, they'll manage a way to get the message across.
Because the PCGA is complete and utter bullshit, and little more than marketing. Microsoft and nVidia are not pulling out of PC gaming, they are pulling out of the Bullshit alliance that has done exactly jack and shit since its inception.Xzi said:
If I may...
Seriously, I'll concur with HankMan in saying that with this, the PCGA is pretty much done.
Seriously, I'll concur with HankMan in saying that with this, the PCGA is pretty much done.
Talk about jumping to conclusions, especially considering EA isn't in the PCGA.raxiv said:
Gamers should make up the gaming alliance and draft up a bill of rights.
Things like;
fair pricing for good games, and by fair i mean that pc games should not cost as much as console games. why? because console games can be rented and resold. the idea that a limited use software as 90% of all pc software is now to the point that publishers insist we do not even own the software we buy we just lease the right to use it, then our software holds 0 resale value, because of drm.
All games should be supported equally across all platforms. Exclusive DLC should go the way of the dodo, i am fine with DLC that is first for one console or another but all DLC should be eventually released for all plaforms including pc.
DLC should be actual DLC, not stripped out or locked out game content you charge for people to unlock, EA i a staring directly at you. Nevermnd the extreme joke of you telling pc users no "DLC" in your dead space 2 when people have already hacked all the DLC into the game.
DLC must require an actual download and show some effort put into the making of that DLC.
Ports should show the same quality and care across all platforms and bugs must be addressed in a timely manner.
Listen to your communities, might be alot to sort through but in all that clutter the communities are usually right in one way or another. GIve and take between developers and publishers and the communities that gather around them should be first and formost in every companies mind not just over at valve.
More games need SDKs on pc side, pc communities have a wide range of dedicated people that spend a ton of time making new content that expands the life of games and sell more games in the long run. Give those people the tools to do that and support them in their efforts as best as you can, stop stifling mods and mod creation.
Stop selling us a bunch of fail as the next big thing. I am talking about dx10 and dx10.5 a colossal load of pr and hype that amounted to jack squat. Nevermind the gall of microsoft and nvidia and ATI to come out with cards that had to be bought for the next update in dx10. Where is all our money back from that failboat?
If we got a fraction of the pc gamer userbase together the amount of pull we have could be enormous, in what we drop in hardware and software each and every year. Why do we need a bunch of corporate people and industry insiders claiming to speak for us?
Things like;
fair pricing for good games, and by fair i mean that pc games should not cost as much as console games. why? because console games can be rented and resold. the idea that a limited use software as 90% of all pc software is now to the point that publishers insist we do not even own the software we buy we just lease the right to use it, then our software holds 0 resale value, because of drm.
All games should be supported equally across all platforms. Exclusive DLC should go the way of the dodo, i am fine with DLC that is first for one console or another but all DLC should be eventually released for all plaforms including pc.
DLC should be actual DLC, not stripped out or locked out game content you charge for people to unlock, EA i a staring directly at you. Nevermnd the extreme joke of you telling pc users no "DLC" in your dead space 2 when people have already hacked all the DLC into the game.
DLC must require an actual download and show some effort put into the making of that DLC.
Ports should show the same quality and care across all platforms and bugs must be addressed in a timely manner.
Listen to your communities, might be alot to sort through but in all that clutter the communities are usually right in one way or another. GIve and take between developers and publishers and the communities that gather around them should be first and formost in every companies mind not just over at valve.
More games need SDKs on pc side, pc communities have a wide range of dedicated people that spend a ton of time making new content that expands the life of games and sell more games in the long run. Give those people the tools to do that and support them in their efforts as best as you can, stop stifling mods and mod creation.
Stop selling us a bunch of fail as the next big thing. I am talking about dx10 and dx10.5 a colossal load of pr and hype that amounted to jack squat. Nevermind the gall of microsoft and nvidia and ATI to come out with cards that had to be bought for the next update in dx10. Where is all our money back from that failboat?
If we got a fraction of the pc gamer userbase together the amount of pull we have could be enormous, in what we drop in hardware and software each and every year. Why do we need a bunch of corporate people and industry insiders claiming to speak for us?
I dunno, this seems like a strange move from MS.
If they want to go their own way and make a MS Steam then it may make some sense, but without games, there's little reason to run Windows. We've switched to Linux on 3/4 PCs just because it's so fast and requires so little power and i've helped various friends and relatives make the switch as they've lost CDs/ license stickers/ faith in Windows.
Why else run Windows if not for games? If you have the cash, go Apple. If you don't, run Linux. I know naff all about computers and frankly find Ubuntu easier to use than windows, mainly because of its own 'app' store; the software centre, which does just everything for you.
I'll stick with the PS3 for boo, boom games. I still have vista on one partition of one computer for one reason only; games.
If they want to go their own way and make a MS Steam then it may make some sense, but without games, there's little reason to run Windows. We've switched to Linux on 3/4 PCs just because it's so fast and requires so little power and i've helped various friends and relatives make the switch as they've lost CDs/ license stickers/ faith in Windows.
Why else run Windows if not for games? If you have the cash, go Apple. If you don't, run Linux. I know naff all about computers and frankly find Ubuntu easier to use than windows, mainly because of its own 'app' store; the software centre, which does just everything for you.
I'll stick with the PS3 for boo, boom games. I still have vista on one partition of one computer for one reason only; games.
I guess that explains why they pay other companies money to not release content on the PC and only do so exclusively for the Xbox. Or having their own developers not release content for PC even though the developers planned to. All while buying out other PC game makers and having them turn what was originally a PC-only title in a Xbox only title.veloper said:
Though PC gaming might be important to Microsofts business, their investment of cash speaks to the fact they don't recognize it as such.
Well since bioware went on record saying that they use the pc as the lead development platform and support that first not very likely lol.raxiv said:
I just recalled something, its easier to run day one games on the 360 than the PC, sure its single player only but WTF MS get a clue.....
I laughed. That's probably the best political/historical/gaming joke I've seen in a while.HankMan said:
It doesn't surprise me - this isn't the first group undertaking that nVidia has jumped ship on. Sadly, the way they operate, if they're not getting their way, they drop the undertaking with a quickness.Xzi said:
. . . TBH, they remind me a lot like how SONY approaches group collaborations . . .
Whatever, though - as long as Intel and AMD stay onboard, this group still has some major influence. As much as those two don't always get along, they're typically willing to put aside differences for the greater good of the market - unlike nVidia and AMD's relationship.
I think MS but have backed out as a "conflict of interest," seeing as how their primary gaming focus right now is the xBox. They haven't done much of anything with the "Games for Windows" campaign, aside from box labeling and such.