Microsoft Believes Xbox One And Kinect Are One And The Same

[KarmaTheAlligator]

It makes you think, I wish more devices would do this.

Absolutely no one with a working brain who's ever used the Kinect has said this ever.

Actually, the Kinect has some great possible applications. Just not in gaming.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

No thanks, I "just" want games. No other things.

 

[dementis]

It's like Microsoft don't want people to buy the console. I've never seen a company trying so hard to push their consumer base away.

Looks like my plan of giving the next gen a year or so is a good idea, might just upgrade to an SSD and a better graphics card for the time being.

 

[klaynexas3]

Well, the Kinect part I can't really care about. It might actually mean they'll make first party games that will use it decently, though I'm doubting to see many third party games utilizing it.

Now as for them saying about the console they announced at launch going to appear some day. If they make it some sort of update that is optional or something, like you can choose to do this, deal with the DRM, but get the other things as well, or just stick to using disc based games or games tired forever to a single account from online purchases, it it's at all like that, then I won't mind it. They'll give people the choice but won't make the DRM necessary to run Xbone games. However, if it's some forced update that makes all the people that ever bought an Xbone forced into the DRM and damn near always on situation, then they'll see both a drop in pre-orders, and a high increase of Xbones being pawned off or sold to Gamestop. And then, even though people will say "oh, but they still got the money from those consoles" they'll see a sharp decrease in games sales, which is where their actual money from all this comes from.

 

[CriticalMiss]

They're the same thing.... so why do they have different names and if they are part of the system how come i now dont have to plug the kinect in to male the xbox one work?.... oh right PR bullshit

Are you sure you don't have to? ^^
As far as I understood it there is only the option to turn of the Kinect while it its plugged in. Have I missed some news?

On a diffent note, see thay haven't changed one bit!
All that stuff you disliked and was removed may be implimented later ^^

There was an article a few days ago where a Microsoft drone said the Kinect no longer needed to be plugged in to use the system, you would be able to play but some features would vanish in to the aether.

Which is weird because in this article calls it 'critical' which is an odd thing to say about something that apparently isn't necessary for functioning gameplay. But of course the kinect is the only remaining part of 'THE XBONE EXPERIENCE' since 'THE INFINITE POWER OF THE CLOUD' sort of went away.

 

[Monsterfurby]

"Physical Digital Rights Management" <-- implies that the rights are digital (though how rights can be digital is anyone's guess), and the management is physical

"Digital Digital Rights Management" <-- I don't even...

I'm not even sure which one is worse, but to stay true to the theme I'd say: both are.

 

[balfore]

I'm very excited to see what Microsoft does with the new Kinect on the Xbone. Hate the current piece of crap Kinect but with the new one attached on all consoles and some clever developers out there I think we will get some cool stuff from it.

 

[seditary]

Physical DRM, because Microsoft just wants to make everything sound as shit as possible.

 

[spartandude]

They're the same thing.... so why do they have different names and if they are part of the system how come i now dont have to plug the kinect in to male the xbox one work?.... oh right PR bullshit

Are you sure you don't have to? ^^
As far as I understood it there is only the option to turn of the Kinect while it its plugged in. Have I missed some news?

On a diffent note, see thay haven't changed one bit!
All that stuff you disliked and was removed may be implimented later ^^

i think it was about last week the came out and said they were taking the Kinect requirement away... however we still dont know how many games will have some sort of non optional (and still useless) kinect gimmick in them

 

[Deludedfool]

If Xbox One and Kinect are one and the same then thanks Microsoft for making my decision not to purchase an Xbox One easier.

I do not want a Kinect and should not forced to spend £80 extra above the competition for a peripheral that I will never take out of the box.

 

[schmulki]

Wow, that's impressive.

"You know all that shit we did to make people happy in the past couple of weeks? Assume all that's gonna go away over time, we'll just try to sneak it in."

All along this backtracking, there's been some crazies here and there claiming, "they're just saying this to get you to buy the system then they're going to do whatever they want!" I blew those people off as being a bit too paranoid. But they pretty much laid it all out there, that's true.

It's funny, I kept this thought in the back of my mind, "hey, maybe eventually, I'll get an xbone, if it turns out to be good after they back off of all the crap." Now, I guess I'll just abandon that idea.

 

[Slash2x]

They're the same thing.... so why do they have different names and if they are part of the system how come i now dont have to plug the kinect in to male the xbox one work?.... oh right PR bullshit

Are you sure you don't have to? ^^
As far as I understood it there is only the option to turn of the Kinect while it its plugged in. Have I missed some news?

On a diffent note, see thay haven't changed one bit!
All that stuff you disliked and was removed may be implimented later ^^

i think it was about last week the came out and said they were taking the Kinect requirement away... however we still dont know how many games will have some sort of non optional (and still useless) kinect gimmick in them

It is very simple. The kinect does not have to be plugged in..... But when you start ANY game or app I bet it makes you plug the fucker in, "to get the full experience". The idea will be that eventually you will get tired of disconnecting it and just leave it connected, then they will still have the spycam in your home, and they can get the kickback from the NSA.

 

[MCerberus]

What I heard:

"We made the more complicated and expensive system to develop for, and we are charging users $100 more so we can experiment with all sorts of crazy DRM and data collection. If we yell 'THE CLOUD' loud enough, people will forget our specs are worse than the PS4."

 

[Vyress]

So call it KinectBox then...

Well, I suppose that wouldn't sell too well, huh?

 

[Reeve]

LOL, they really are putting the DRM back in. "It'll be like Steam...without the benefits."

 

[faefrost]

Translation. We will make it look like we have removed all the bullc**p but we will just screw you over after you have spent your money in essence "deal with it".

That was my take away. The once a day check in does not appear to be permanently gone. It's an advantage to be patched in later. Oh yeah and that Kinect. That's an integral part of the system. ("After all the NSA is paying us good money to keep them in the boxes, so screw you for complaining we get paid twice for these things. They are the gifts that keep on giving! No dance naked for the camera monkey. DANCE!")

 

[omega 616]

Well if the kinect and one are the same, I might as well just buy the kinect, it looks to cost $100 and can play all the one games? I'm in! Oh, it's just a fucking camera? Then they aren't the same, dumb fuck!

To be honest I am a little fed up of "this is more than just a games console" I want to buy a disk, stick it in the console and play, when I have finished I want to sell it (if I want to). That's! It!

I don't want tv, netflix, to share, to stream, to listen to music, flit back and forth or anything else. Also, when did gamers get friends? Did I miss a memo? "Help your friends complete knack" if they can't complete knack they need to sell there PS4!

Getting back to the one, if Kinect is so god damn essential to the one experience why did you make it unnecessary!? "you need the kinect to have the one experience ... well, you don't NEED need it but you kinda do ..." >.> <.<

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

What they're basically saying is that they will sneak in those restrictions once we buy the damn thing. Well, how about this? I will never buy it.

 

[theApoc]

It is well understood what MS was going for, and no, we are not 'too stupid' to grasp what was going on. It has been going on for a long time, to the detriment of the consumer, and is well recognized when it rears its ugly head. Our opinions absolutely DO mean crap, and the whole backtracking you're on about is the best example of this we've seen since Sony decided to inject spyware into music tracks.

If you think there is no logic in making decisions that annoy consumer bases, you've not studied industry habits very much at all. A great many industries do lots of things that they know will annoy their users, but it becomes a risk/reward scenario. What MS miscalculated was consumer's ability to discern BS when they smelled it and was likely relying on age-old consumer apathy toward the obvious negative implications of the ecosystem they were building.

People weren't up in arms about this whole thing, all 'torches and pitchforks' for no reason. And, in case you've missed it. Relying on the wallets of fanboys and nerds has made a bunch of companies a ton of money. Ask Marvel how that Avengers franchise is doing. There are more fanboys and nerds than there have ever been, and their voice has a much greater impact than you want to give credit.

The detriment of the customer? Huh? Sorry but that is just ridiculous. XBOX is an entertainment hub, that has been their push for the past 5+ years. Further kinect integration is an attempt to enhance that experience. The original Kinect was used to guage and test the potential of alternative peripherals and while it was not the greatest in terms of execution at the time, MANY people, including MS have used that device to enhance lots of new and upcoming technology.

Speculation about MS motives, does not prove anything about the actual intent. And most people who took the time to look past the "ZOMG evil MS" headlines have realized that. Adjusting their strategy, based on misreading the ability of the consumer base to, might be good business right now, but it will ultimately stifle development and improvements for the consumer.

And Marvel is not MS. Not even close. Sony and MS are not gamining companies, they are companies with game divisions, so the general consumer is far more important than any niche group. Again, this is evidenced by their overall strategies with the last generation and some of the features headed into this one.

Fine, calling people "stupid" was a mistake. I apologize, but the short sighted nature of most gamers is not conducive to industry growth and ultimately hurts the entire consumer base.

 

[theApoc]

Many people don't want to pay a subscription fee for a console, they don't want it turned into a "service" that they don't own. They simply want to play their videogames on their console, and unfortunately the Xbox One has not been designed for that.

At the end of the day the console was supposed to be designed for the consumers. When you look at the disconnect between what the Xbox One delivers and what gamers wanted, that hasn't happened.

The success and growth of XBOX live would tend to disprove that assumption. And you are confusing "gamers" with consumers IMO. XBOX was a game console. XBOX 360 was an entertainment console. XBOX One is the next logical step. And there is nothing in the specs that suggest Kinect "gimps" the system in any way. The original Kinect had no impact beyond how the consumer decided to use it.

And the whole thing about DRM is a ruse by ALL media companies. We DO NOT own any digital content. We never have and never will. We license the ability to listen to, watch, and play said content. The future of all media is a continuation of this trend, and ultimately it is consumer driven. Convenience, flexibility of use, that is why there is a such thing as an MP3, why your IPAD plays movies. Ask yourself, are you concerned about ownership or access? Because that is what this all really boils down to and seeing as you don't actually own your digital CONTENT, the point seems to be moot.