Microsoft Exec on Always Online Consoles: "Deal With it"

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Ed130 The Vanguard

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According to his LinkedIn profile, he was the creative lead behind several LucasArts titles including The Force Unleashed 2 and this:


I guess when LucasArts was shut-down he wanted to accompany it down in flames as well.

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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-orth/44/354/b44

 

Dr. Octogonopus

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Looks like microsoft is replacing YLOD with 404 errors.

This is just an other example of why I think that twitter needs to have a pop-up that appears every time you want to tweet something that says "Really? You want the public to read that? Just think about what you're saying for a minute." Kind of like the little paper clip dude in Word or that buddy you have that stops you from drunk dialing an ex.
 

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As much as I love my 360 (I own a PS3 and a PC too, so no bias here) I would very much like Microsoft to make the 720 always online, and then have the sales tank, and Microsoft close the games division of the company.

Not because I hate Microsoft, but it would serve as a good warning to every other company that they shouldn't do it.
 

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Every device is 'always on' Mr Orth?

Only device I own that is always online is my modem because that's its function.

Dude sounds hopelessly blind to the real world.
 

Strazdas

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Norrdicus said:
Strazdas said:
if electricity goes out, you dont clame the cacuum creator, but if YOUR INTERNET goes out, you blame microsoft? double standarts FTW?
It would be double standards iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif the next Xbox required, due to laws of nature, to have an internet connection to work.

It doesn't. Internet connection is an extra requirement put there to protect profits
how do you know it doesnt? have you read its code? do you know how it conducts its OS operations, how it plays games? it could very well be that it DOES require internet to function due to laws of nature.
There were mechanic vacuums, where you suck the air with a mechanic pump, therefore vacuum cleaners dont require electricity by laws of nature, still, would you use one?

suitepee7 said:
i think you missed the point slightly. if your internet goes down, thats your fault, not microsofts, what people are getting pissed over is that even if YOUR internet works, that doesn't mean there's does. everyone who tried playing simcity had working internet connections, but EA servers couldn't handle it. that makes it their fault ALMOST entirely (save for the people who actually bought the game). however as stupid as it is, i do agree that at least he had the balls to outright say it, rather than try to disguise it as a 'customer service' move.

also, a broom is not a vacuum cleaner. a broom moves the mess, a vacuum cleaner tries to suck in the mess. they are both cleaning products, but are not both vacuum cleaners.
That is true. if theri itnernet fails you would not be able to use it. the same way like, say, ebay wont run if their servers crash. and it is entirely on them to take the blame for it. however this does not need to be an often occurance. and while companies continue to fail due to probably some stupid person saying "what, im nto going to let you buy so many servers, i want some money left over for new porshe", but as technology progresses and considering how microsoft already got HUGE servers running for thier other stuff they may just pull it off. not at launch perhaps, but pretty much NOTHING lauched without bugs.
both devices move the mess, in different ways, but they both do. they are both products meant to clean the mess. the new Xbox does not have to be the old Xbox. PS4 surely wont be anything like PS3. it IS a new product. and since we dont know how to works yet, it can be a broom to vacuum jump for all we know.

Jandau said:
An exec speaks for his company, period. He doesn't get to make personal statements on a public platform regarding the work he does. I'm sorry, he doesn't. And the key here is the platform. If he wants to rant to his friends over a beer, sure, go fot it. But Twitter is hardly a private setting. It's a public platform and statements made on it are treated as such. Imagine if you will (since we're making examples up and all), if Obama tweeted how he'd personally really like to nuke the fuck out of North Korea. By your reasoning, it's a personal opinion and we shouldn't think twice about it...

An unprofessional exec speaks for his company just as a professional one does.
You are wrong. simple as that. ANYONE can have private opinion on ANY platform, period. We can be stupid and react to it as an official statement, which is why most companies dont allow thier workers to do that, beucase of people who misinterpre what is official and what is not, like you. if i were to get a twitter account and say "hey i hate poland", woudl that make my organization officially racist? nope. but yet somehow you think it will.
If obama said that on hos personal twotter, i woudl treat it as a personal opinion. does not mean i must forget about it, but i wouldnt take it as an official stance of US.

chadachada123 said:
Does he even realize that a significant portion of the United States still doesn't even have access to basic broadband? That a surprisingly large percentage of the US still uses DIAL-UP?
and that is a problem exclusively of those people. if living in a first world country - strongest economy in the world - you still have Dial-UP, it is YOUR problem and noone elses.
 

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Dexter111 said:
Aramis Night said:
I skiped the last console generation entirely and was likely to do the same with this coming one(PC Gamer). But after seeing this Sony CEO troll the MS exec, Im really tempted to get a PS4. This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you troll. Not be reciting some tired meme you saw on 4chan 3 yrs ago, but with the actual application of wit. And Sony CEO's profile picture was a nice touch. 10/10.
That is a joke/parody account.
https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO
PARODY ACCOUNT.
Also, I'd like to add that this is also an article from Yesterday with another Source basically saying the same thing, even offering specifics: http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456 which this was apparently a reaction to.
"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."

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"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
Well damn. You just saved me from buying a console for the first time in 10 yrs.
 

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Norrdicus said:
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai, what do you have to say about this?

Hello?

You ther-

I don't care if that's a parody:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... oh!
[sub](fell off me chair)[/sub]

But seriously Microsoft, if you wanted to alienate your fans in one fell swoop, congratulations, you just did it!
 

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I want his job, I mean obviously the only condition to keep his job is not to be an idiot and he's failing.
 

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Norrdicus said:
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai, what do you have to say about this?

Hello?

You ther-

Ahaha xD I like it.

As for the topic itself, if you don't get why people dont like it by now you're simply ignoring most of the damn community. We don't like it because it means our connection being iffy will mean we can't play and thats depressing.

Every now and then BT digs up wires for lulz and my connection goes tits up for a few days as a result (don't even use the bastards ¬_¬), or how about my house isn't wired terribly well so when the landline rings the internet cuts out for ten minutes as a result?

How about I don't want Microsoft spying on my activities all the time?

I give it 2 or 3 months after it's out before it's cracked to play offline at an absolute maximum.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Orth's Twitter account has since been made private
Gee, I wonder why?

One day, most devices will be able to maintain a constant internet connection but that day hasn't arrived yet. In the meantime I'm living within a 20 minute drive of Washington DC and can't maintain a stable internet connection with all of my internet enabled devices. Luckily for me, they all have offline functionality (more luckily is that my laptop is the one thing that hasn't had any major connectivity issues). There are people far worse off than myself and, people better off than myself who have worse internet connections, especially with games consoles.

That isn't even the most important thing though...games consoles are toys of escapism. Shouldn't the core delivery system be accessible to as many people as possible? There are always people who have less restrictions than others but video games are (or rather were) meant for kids. Kids don't generally have control over how much access they have to the internet and parents wouldn't be happy to discover they just spent $500 or so dollars on a toy their kids can't use.
 

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Sometimes, I miss the middle ages.

You guys knew how to light an asshole on fire back then.
This made my morning.
THANK YOU.

OT: Um, yeah he seems to be a bit of a dick. I would say something akin to "Please allow me to deal with it by not buying your product." but I already wasn't going to so there.
*shrugs and walks away*
 

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In our household we have a vacuum that comes apart into a smaller less powerful vacuum when it's not plugged in... games used to be the same way...
 

Ed130 The Vanguard

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Well, it looks like there will be a Jimquisition episode about this.

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/320000751558602753
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/320001138608988160

(how do you insert twitter tweets on The Escapist?)
 

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Well at the moment I have a terrible internet conection that goes down at least 4 times a day.

If my console was gonna keep kicking me from games if I was disconnected for more than three minutes then I would do what I do with Ghost Recon, which also keeps kicking me...I would not play it.

And when our house got robbed and they cut the internet line...which was down for 3 weeks...I was happily able to play my console still, something that I wouldn't be able to do with always online.
 

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"The mobile phone reception in the area I live in is spotty and unreliable. I will not buy a mobile phone," he added.
Well, of cause I wouldn't, I'd use the landline.
"Sometimes the electricity goes out. I will not purchase a vacuum cleaner,"
That's what brooms are for or cordless hoover's.
Your logic is simplistic and stoopid.
 

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Strazdas said:
how do you know it doesnt? have you read its code? do you know how it conducts its OS operations, how it plays games? it could very well be that it DOES require internet to function due to laws of nature.
There were mechanic vacuums, where you suck the air with a mechanic pump, therefore vacuum cleaners dont require electricity by laws of nature, still, would you use one?
Your logic is flawed. The move from mechanic vacuums to electric is a matter of convenience. Switching from offline to online consoles is not. Besides everyone that uses a gaming console or PC obviously has access to electricity whereas there is still a large percentage of gamers that do not have a decent internet connection. This is coming from someone that plays on consoles but only has a crappy 3g internet connection.

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Strazdas said:
You are wrong. simple as that. ANYONE can have private opinion on ANY platform, period. We can be stupid and react to it as an official statement, which is why most companies dont allow thier workers to do that, beucase of people who misinterpre what is official and what is not, like you. if i were to get a twitter account and say "hey i hate poland", woudl that make my organization officially racist? nope. but yet somehow you think it will.
If obama said that on hos personal twotter, i woudl treat it as a personal opinion. does not mean i must forget about it, but i wouldnt take it as an official stance of US.
I agree that anyone can have their own private opinion as long as it stays private whether they keep it to your self or among friends, but as soon as it becomes easily available to public viewing it becomes a public opinion and the DealWithIt tweet was directed at the general public. While Obama tweeting that he hates Poland would be his opinion and not of the official stance of the US it is not something you would want to hear from a figure that can influence the stance of the US. If its Adam Orthy's opinion that the NextBox should always be online then fine, but by sharing his tweet Orthy has influenced the general public into having a negative view of Microsoft. People with power/influence need to be responsible for what they say in public
 

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Strazdas said:
Jandau said:
An exec speaks for his company, period. He doesn't get to make personal statements on a public platform regarding the work he does. I'm sorry, he doesn't. And the key here is the platform. If he wants to rant to his friends over a beer, sure, go fot it. But Twitter is hardly a private setting. It's a public platform and statements made on it are treated as such. Imagine if you will (since we're making examples up and all), if Obama tweeted how he'd personally really like to nuke the fuck out of North Korea. By your reasoning, it's a personal opinion and we shouldn't think twice about it...

An unprofessional exec speaks for his company just as a professional one does.
You are wrong. simple as that. ANYONE can have private opinion on ANY platform, period. We can be stupid and react to it as an official statement, which is why most companies dont allow thier workers to do that, beucase of people who misinterpre what is official and what is not, like you. if i were to get a twitter account and say "hey i hate poland", woudl that make my organization officially racist? nope. but yet somehow you think it will.
If obama said that on hos personal twotter, i woudl treat it as a personal opinion. does not mean i must forget about it, but i wouldnt take it as an official stance of US.
Oh, I never said that he can't have an opinion or that he can't express it. I'm just saying that it will be taken as reflecting the attitudes of the company he represents.

To use your example, if you went on twitter and said "I hate Poland" - If you are a highly placed individual in an organization that distributes doughnuts in western United States, that wouldn't be a problem. Maybe Polish people wouldn't buy your doughnuts anymore. However, if the organization in question was set to handle an international arbitrage between Poland and some other country, you stating that you hate Poland and being in a position of influence in the said organization might not be the best thing for you to do, since it might raise the question of how that organization will do the work if people in charge of it have such attitudes.

Likewise, if an exec at Ford states that he doesn't see what the big deal with always-online consoles is and that people should just "deal with it", then whatever. But when an exec of a company that is responsible for one of the major consoles states it, then people will not just dismiss it and they shouldn't.
 

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thethird0611 said:
I have a feeling most comments on this article are going to be directed toward Microsoft because of the title... instead of the Exec himself.

There's a difference between an exec like that saying it (who probably doesnt play video games), and the corporation saying it.
Yes, but him actually being bothered about this seems to confirm the rumours that the next xbox will be always on, and although it's not gonna stop some buying it, I'm betting a large chunk of players won't, and will jump ship to the PS4.

In short, whether or not his (may I say, completely fucking stupid opinion, my power goes out maybe twice a year if I'm unlucky, the internet simply isn't as stable) opinion reflects microsoft's real plans, this is really going to hurt microsoft's prospects for the next gen if they don't do some serious clear up soon, and that's forgetting how much they've already hurt their prospects by staying quiet for so long.
 

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These "always online" rumours have become so widespread, and are so destructive to Microsoft's reputation, surely they would have squashed them by now if they weren't true?
 

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I wonder how many countries Microsoft cuts from their potential consumer base if the next Xbox is always online?

...no. Strike that. I wonder how many countries Microsoft leaves for Sony and Nintendo if the next Xbox is always online...