Microsoft: Halo Can Be The Next Star Wars

Somthing

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Flour said:
If the Halo movie is at least a bit like Haloid [http://www.gametrailers.com/player/18747.html] it would be awesome. But we all know this isn't going to happen, and the Halo movie will be some Starship Troopers clone.
if a halo moive would be the least like that it would be a anime thingy, and that would totaly suck. i mean if the master chief jumps 50 ft while dual wielding a pair of machine gun turrets....... that would be way to fucked up and totaly go away from everything earlier which would make the fan base fucking hate it. and well yes it would suck if it was like starship troopers notably ive only seen the fourth or something and i pray to god that the others werent a equal amount of putrid shit but still..... Halo is not a anime.
 

Ultrajoe

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Actaully, i think can. Halo has swept wide over a generation, and captured minds and hearts with its simple gameplay and impressive storytelling. All it needs now is a media push and the cultural pervasion does itself. It is expansive, limitless and has people with brains at it's head.

The people who love the game are the people having children, lonely escapists, and if it jumps a generation then the weight of history will carry it forward. Without insulting the site, the amount of threads deploring all of your abilities to woo women does little credit to the survival of your ideals into the next clutch of gamers... or genes.

Besides; Star Wars was the most cliche western/samurai plot around when it came out, and you think Halo's story has no legs?

Halo has all the pieces, even if your fanatical dislike blinds you to them more surely than any fanboys sycophancy. All it needs is to make the right choices and we shall see it for many an age to come.

Not to mention we can then quote Yahtzee down the track in much hilarity, at his statement of 'soon forgotten' concerning Halo. Better than the guy who rejected the beatles? Not quite, but the irony is still warm and fluffy.
 

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Let's compare Star Wars vs Halo:
Iconic heroes: tie
Aliens of pointless variety: tie
Comedy aliens: tie
Distinct art direction: tie
Meandering plot: tie
Pointless trilogy bonus category: tie
Artificial intelligence: I'll take a grunt over Hayden Christensen any day.

Halo wins folks. Long live the new king. Where do I line up?
 

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The original Star Wars trilogy was sweet as hell. Halo seems like the new trilogy. Just bland and mediocre.
 

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They seriously think Halo could have that kind of cultural penetration? Microsoft does a lot of wishful thinking these days, don't they?
 

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You know Jason, Halo is a popular franchise (not a really good one but hey it makes money) but you compare it to Star Wars!
 

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Halo does have a lot going for it. While I can't speak well of the game play, due to personal taste, I do enjoy the story of Halo. The plot points are rather cliche, but that's hard to avoid nowadays. In their favor is the fact that Halo doesn't make humanity's superior innovative skills and high adaptability war winning points. The only reason the story ends on a somewhat high note is because the Covenant lose their greatest military asset: the Elites.
Annyyyyway....

Again, the Halo series has a lot going for it: popular game play, a good storyline, the best online console system to date behind it, and lots and lots of money to be poured in. The series has become wildly successful, breaking records left and right at the releases. Just about everywhere you go, people in the current generation will know Halo in some way or form.

And yet, Halo falls short where Star Wars succeeded spectacularly: cultural impact.
When Star Wars first came out, it premiered in 32 theaters across the U.S. It debuted a month before the main summer season, was expected to fail horribly, and (to my knowledge) was not exactly well known or anticipated.
By the end of its first year it smashed previous box office records; lines were forming around street corners for weeks, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford went from relative unknowns to household names, and quotes from the movie were being spoken right and left. Even the guys who made the models and special affects were having kids ask them for autographs.
Thirty years later, and people still adore the series. Fans are willing to stomach the bad parts of the prequels to watch the few great scenes they had to offer (thank God for the DVD, and its ability to skip whole scenes). Whether openly saying "Luke, I am your father!" to having the main villain wear a face mask and Germanesque helmet, Star Wars pervades culture in the U.S. and around the world.

That's something that Halo simply has not achieved. Oh, I hear people talking about the fun they have playing Halo, I've seen Red vs. Blue, but still, Halo simply is no where near Star Wars. I don't routinely hear people saying "I need a weapon," or anything like that all the time. Outside of gamers, there is not much interest in Halo, something Star Wars doesn't have to worry about. Star Wars received universal praise; Halo took between five and six years to become really popular in Japan.

Not all of Halo's cultural shortcomings are due to any fault in the game. Much of what Star Wars became was about timing: movies were slumping in original material, America had recently lost the Vietnam War, the upheavals of the 60's and early 70's were starting to go bad. Halo, on the other hand, entered at the time when gaming was still revving up. Star Wars had a culturally unifying story, aimed specifically at the conventions of epic tales that one can find in any culture's mythology. Halo's story is a Hollywood cliche re imagined.

The Original Trilogy, at least, offered something new and exciting with each new movie. The movies all began within at least a year of each other, yet you can see from the beginning that the characters have grown and matured. In Halo, the only way you know the Master Chief has changed much is the new armor, and the subsequent dings and scratches (and Cortana's blatant self-consciousness; how many hair styles does she need?)
Even the tone of the movies changed: Episode IV had a good sense of classic, Flash Gordon good vs. evil to it. The Empire Strikes Back was much darker, with the heroes constantly on the run from the Galactic Empire (perhaps the most iconic image from the movie, for me, is the shot of the AT-AT's looming over the retreating Rebels). The movie at least ended with a ray of hope. Revenge-er.. Return of the Jedi finished with an excellent finality to it: you could tell this was the last battle (until the Expanded Universe realized that killing Thrawn meant that they had no more good villains, and had to make Vader's redemption next to pointless). Having played Halo and Halo 2, I felt a lot like I was just playing parts 1 and 2 of the same game. From the cutscenes I've scene, Halo 3 does manages to mix the darkness of ESB with the last battle tone of RotJ.

In the long run, Halo has the potential to overtake Star Wars in overall financial success (unless LucasArts pulls something far better than Knights of the Old Republic out of their hat...but I'm not holding my breath). However, it will never achieve what Star Wars did as a series, or as a cultural icon. Thirty years from now, I'll bet that people will still know the words "May the Force be with you," but I hold doubts for the Chief or Cortana getting that same recognition...
 

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I was not aware Halo borrowed on the most ancient storytelling theme's dating back to the oldest recorded and unrecorded lays and fables told around campfires.

Oh wait, no, thats just Star Wars.

When Halo gets three- not one, not two, but three, specials on the HISTORY channel (Star Wars Tech, Star Wars Revealed, and Star Wars, The Making of or something) then it can claim to be the next Star Wars. Also, it needs to have universally quoted lines and themes. Also, it needs space ninja's with laser swords. Also, IT NEEDS WOOKIES.

Frankly the only thing CLOSE to Star Wars is Star TREK, which has had at least one history channel show (How William Shatner changed the world)

PS: George Lucas needs to be killed before he can rape Star War's corpse anymore
 

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TsunamiWombat said:
I was not aware Halo borrowed on the most ancient storytelling theme's dating back to the oldest recorded and unrecorded lays and fables told around campfires.

Oh wait, no, thats just Star Wars.
Halo has many allusions to well known stories of religion and folklore.
 

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Yes it is the new star wars. For one reason. Over the next 15 years, it's gonna be as whored as Star Wars was. And still is.
 

DoW Lowen

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Okay perhaps I "haz" not been too in touch "de internetz", but just out of curiosity why all the hate on halo. Everything I read is so against it, I liked the series, I really liked it. Fair enough I don't really think it can go beyond another 2 games, but I found the universe quite interesting. Not saying it's the greatest series ever, but i don't believe it deserves all the hate it receives.
 

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Okay perhaps I "haz" not been too in touch "de internetz", but just out of curiosity why all the hate on halo. Everything I read is so against it, I liked the series, I really liked it. Fair enough I don't really think it can go beyond another 2 games, but I found the universe quite interesting. Not saying it's the greatest series ever, but i don't believe it deserves all the hate it receives.
Because it was popular. Failboys love to hate popular things.

I'm not saying Halo is bad. It just lacks Jedi. Jedi make Star Wars. Star Wars without the Jedi is just a slightly more violent Star Trek. Halo without Jedi is just a slightly less deep Mass Effect.

Mass Effect is more likly to be the 'next star wars' considering it blatently rips star wars off.

The Force = Biotics

Twi'lek = Asari

Mandalorians = Krogan

Wookies/Trandoshans? = Those lizard dudes with the mandibles.

Jedi = Spectres

And so on and so forth.
 

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It more or less ripped off every other franchise that are extremely popular, so it's an award-winning formula. If they did it right or not, well that's a matter for future generation's opinions, really.
 

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Does this mean we will see the elite's own version of "life day" in a Halo holiday special?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQVyVyeWho
 

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The success of Star Wars is, in my opinion, because it's a perfect telling of the hero's journey. The plot in Halo doesn't fallow the hero's journey ans Master Chief starts out very powerful at the beginning of the first game.
 

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Eldritch Warlord said:
TsunamiWombat said:
I was not aware Halo borrowed on the most ancient storytelling theme's dating back to the oldest recorded and unrecorded lays and fables told around campfires.

Oh wait, no, thats just Star Wars.
Halo has many allusions to well known stories of religion and folklore.
But that's just what they are: allusions. Much of the allusions in there, like the number 7 and other junk, is spotted (as far as I know) by people who are actually looking for this stuff. Star Wars, on the other hand, contains epic conventions that a child can spot, anyone with a high school education can name/describe, and scholars can write entire theses about. These are the conventions that dictated Gandalf's fate in The Fellowship of the Ring and Dumbeldor's often-spoiled fate in the Harry Potter series, and let us understand the roles that supporting characters will play in the hero's journey.
Using epic conventions like this is one of Star Wars' specialties. It's best works have revolved around some nobody growing and maturing into a hero to challenge some evil, overcoming numerous obstacles, internal and external, gaining friends and enemies, losing loved ones, and ultimately saving the world, even if it's not for themselves (a la Frodo).
Hence why Knights of the Old Republic was such a wild success.

Halo simply lacks that narrative. To achieve true greatness, they should not try to become Star Wars, they should simply keep Halo the way it is. After all, for all of the "coming of age" tales, there need to be a few good ones featuring grizzled veterans like Solid Snake and Master Chief.
 

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Flour said:
If the Halo movie is at least a bit like Haloid [http://www.gametrailers.com/player/18747.html] it would be awesome. But we all know this isn't going to happen, and the Halo movie will be some Starship Troopers clone.
The Halo writers only WISH they were as awesome as Monty Oum. :)

In other news, I think the best description of Halo I've ever heard was from one of the game critics on YouTube:
[Halo is] Starship Troopers crossed with Starship Troopers.