Microsoft Hints at Pre-Owned Fee For Xbox One Games

[bug_of_war]

Little kids man. They got to have their own account. With a certain background. And icons. And such.

OT:
Remember when you just put a game in a console and it played? Like, not even a hit the play button, just slam in some Super Mario RPG or Armored Core and there ya go.

Thought didn't even cross my mind. Well, I guess it would be alright if your kids are young and they're playing PG and G games, but yeah...kids don't stay 4-10 for long, and I'd be lying to say I hadn't been playing GTA when I was 8 so yeah...I can now see where the rock gets thrown at some people.

 

[Petromir]

Not sure there will defiantly be a need to buy a used game license for every player on the same copy.

There are a number of potential systems, including a linked account system like the Wii U uses, where there is one major account through which purchases etc are made but individual user accounts that can access it. While the WiiU has many faults its method here has advantages.

Its possible they won't choose a sensible option like this but I like to consider other options before I throw a toddler tantrum and fixate on the worst option I can come up with.

I also like Gamestops hypocrisy in the used game issue. Trying to pretend that they are opposing this for any other reason than it cuts into their gravy train used game profits.How dare MS try and get a cut of gamestops action. And it's gamestop et al's action that anti-used games initiatives are aimed at. Publishers who see other corporations repetitively making profit on their products after the initial sale.

 

[Cartographer]

Well, the "fee" for subsequent installs is probably the first step to controling the used games market.
Think about it, if the "fee" is $10 and the game new is $60 then there is no point anyone paying more than $50 for a used game. Hell, you'd be better off just finding someone who will lend you a copy for the time it takes you to install and pay for it.

Plus, by the sound of it, you can play without paying as long as you have the disc, so multi-user houses will have 1 installed copy, then every other user will just have to have the game disc in the drive, just like they do now. Difference being, they will have the option of paying for their own, installed copy (hopefully at a dreastically reduced fee, yeah... I know...) to use whenever they want (and apparently on any XBone they log in to).

Plus, "XBone" genius!

 

[verdant monkai]

Feeling delighted I bought that pc at the moment.

I can only hope the more aptly named ps4 doesn't pull any of this shit, because anyone who thinks they can fuck me an get away with it, better be an attractive girl or they won't be getting any of my money.

 

[TheUnbeholden]

Xbox lost me since I was to pay gold account to use netflix, when my smart tv does it for free !!!! having to pay for gold subscription doesn't make sense. I'm already paying for my broad band, I have to pay to play games online? Come on, free to play MMO's are the next big thing on the PC market (with micro transaction and perks for donating or buying a deluxe version of the game). Now mandatory online authorisation of games is once again screwing over the people who don't have easy access to internet, mandatory game installs, and extra fees for second hand games?

PC's already have big advantages and now Microsoft is going to try and screw over the second hand market? Never have I seen a industry try and make money off the second hand industry, invading someone elses territory is not just morally wrong, its the customers that are getting screwed over! The publishers (EA), aggressive DRM (securom) and now Microsoft need to get its head out of its own ass, the customers are always right. It doesn't matter whether its normal products or digital/software products... the customers are always right.
You are scaring everyone away! Ah to hell with xbox, it had a good run. Play station with their free online network and a multitude of new games for PS3 coming (they always had a habit of supporting their older consoles) all points towards one thing, they are about to get a big spike in sales.

 

[Wainamoinen]

You all here do know that this rumour has already been dismissed by Microsoft, right? Right?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

 

[TheUnbeholden]

1) Write about something in a cocksure manner that shows just how much of an ignorant twat you are

Why don't you post a youtube video of you loudly shouting at the camera (while shoving chocolate cake in your mouth) to complete this post.

3) Bash Microsoft for doing (PROPOSING) something Sony and every other console manufacturer have been having wet dreams about (discs being irreversibly bound to a console? Ala Sony's brief fantasy of completely demolishing the pre-owned market)

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

4) Insult gamers for feeling "entitled" on your piss-poor excuse for a comic strip- then grace us with your strong BAWWW-ing

Good show, Jonathan "24x-DVD-fo-lyfe" Carter.

Yes, because informing customers of a fucking locust plague coming for our wallets, must be the devils work!

Save your anger for Microsoft, a larger ever more growing, morally bankrupt corporation deserves it than a faceless random guy on the internet don't you think?

You all here do know that this rumour has already been dismissed by Microsoft, right? Right?

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538/xbox-one-perform-recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

you do realize that the programming director of Microsoft has already confirmed that fees for second hand games is real, its not just a idea or a rumor, its actually been implemented and will be mandatory (ugh that word again) "feature".

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend?s house ? should you choose to play your game at your friend?s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile"
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/
(Major Nelson, the director of programming at Microsoft)

It doesn't get anymore confirmed than that, you expect us to believe a random FAQ anybody could have wrote, or some vague statement from Microsoft on the twitter account. They are trying to hush things up till the launch date.

 

[Wainamoinen]

"hile there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. "

= It's confirmed according to you? Please.

 

[Genocidicles]

"hile there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. "

= It's confirmed according to you? Please.

"Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend?s house ? should you choose to play your game at your friend?s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."


The bolded part implies that there is a fee when the original owner is not signed in.

 

[rob_simple]

Is it just me that doesn't see this as a huge deal? I mean, it's a dick move sure, but depending on what the fee actually is, still not that bad.

If it's just the same as the online pass fee (about a tenner) and you buy used games the way you're supposed to --i.e. at a heavily discounted price and not from extortionists like HMV who only knock a couple of quid off the RRP to maximise their own profits-- then you're still going to get the games at a heavily discounted price.

I can't say I'm thrilled that they're doing this, but it's better than the alternative that was being bandied around a few months earlier, that the console would just lock out used games altogether.

 

[Matt Dellar]

Are you fucking retarded? Don't write a fucking tech column if you're techno-e-fucking-lliterate.

[...]

2) Fail to proofread it ("...than traditional a DVD...")

"techno-e-fucking-lliterate"
elliterate

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On-topic, I'll wait and see how this plays out. Ninety percent of the console games I ever bought were pre-owned, so anti-used game tech is a dealbreaker for me (right up there next to paying for mediocre, ad- and twelve-year-old-infested online play).

 

[death525]

Wait till the publishers hear about it.
Apperently now instead of paying the artist you have to pay publishers AND microsoft extra fees

Wait, it is tied to a single account. What about games that only allow for one save file? What are me and my brother supposed to do? Pay $60 for the game and then who knows how much more just so we can have two save files. Thanks Microsoft for turning me into a Sony fan boy.

wait, isnt one save file kinda died way back in 2005 or so? do they still actually use such crappy technique?

No, Call of Duty multiplayer (and singleplayer I think) is one save per account.

 

[Ukomba]

How does this work without the 'always online' function? If it's not connected to the internet, how would it know the game has been installed before? It may not have to 'always' be online, but it might need an internet connection to install a game.

 

[Zeraki]

How does this work without the 'always online' function? If it's not connected to the internet, how would it know the game has been installed before? It may not have to 'always' be online, but it might need an internet connection to install a game.

From what I understand, the console requires you to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours. Not sure what happens if you don't connect though.

 

[Ukomba]

How does this work without the 'always online' function? If it's not connected to the internet, how would it know the game has been installed before? It may not have to 'always' be online, but it might need an internet connection to install a game.

From what I understand, the console requires you to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours. Not sure what happens if you don't connect though.

I understand that, but it seems you'd have to be connected at the time of installation. Unless it lets you install and play until you reach that point where you have to go online and stops you at that point.

 

[Zeraki]

How does this work without the 'always online' function? If it's not connected to the internet, how would it know the game has been installed before? It may not have to 'always' be online, but it might need an internet connection to install a game.

From what I understand, the console requires you to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours. Not sure what happens if you don't connect though.

I understand that, but it seems you'd have to be connected at the time of installation. Unless it lets you install and play until you reach that point where you have to go online and stops you at that point.

I'm honestly not entirely sure what is going on with this thing. There are so many rumors flying around, and Microsoft seems to just be tapdancing around most of the questions people are asking. All I keep seeing from them are a bunch of non answers(in regards to the used game thing at least).

I don't plan on getting an Xbone, but I would really like some clarity as to what they're doing with it.

 

[CJ1145]

I often take multiplayer games to my friends' houses so we can play them there. Since lugging my Xbox around is dumb as shit, I just carry the disk.

Someone care to tell me why this new system is screwing me and my friends over when we're using the product as (presumably) intended?

your friend has 2 xbox systems?

Do fighting games and splitscreen just not exist in your mind?

 

[Gatx]

Hm, on the one hand people are perfectly fine with a system like this on Steam but it's a no go for consoles. I understand that a console is traditionally the more "social" gaming device that requires physical contact - bringing games to friends' houses for local multiplayer and what not (more convenient than bringing a PC game that would require an install) but that era's sadly fading away. On the plus side this move might be drastic enough to tank the Xbox and send a message to other companies in the future NOT to do it.

Also it JUST hit me what a confusing name Xbox One is.

 

[Genocidicles]

Hm, on the one hand people are perfectly fine with a system like this on Steam but it's a no go for consoles.

Steam frequently has sales where you can buy games for less than what they'd cost if they were pre-owned.

I don't see Microsoft doing the same thing though. Games on demand still cost a ton even after they've been out for years, they almost never go on sale and when they do it's usually like 10% off.

 

[johnmaikeru]

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Contributor = above reproach?

Get your fucking facts right- Bluray read speeds are not "with much slower read times than traditional a DVD drive."