Microsoft: People More Satisfied With Xbox 360 Than PS3

[Tradjus]

It's -adorable- how they keep trying too claim that the Kinect will eventually be successful.
They're dropping it like a rock, and it's NEVER going too make a comeback, because it's no longer required. The only, and I mean THE ONLY reason anyone ever made a game with Kinect functionality, is because it was stapled onto the Xbone. Now that it isn't, why in the WORLD would anyone put Kinect functionality into a game? It's just an extra cost that limits your sales too the few people who will actually have a Kinect in a few years, most of them will have gone in the trash by then.

I'm calling it now, the Kinect is dead, it's done, it's over.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Pioneers. Hmmmmm... HHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

Nope, I still don't see it.

OT: Are you guys really so desperate? I think it's clear Microsoft knows it's completely boned, and really screwed up a lot of things. People don't like the Xbone, and now they don't like Microsoft for its stupid choices. Now it keeps shitting its pants even further by trying to tell us everything is ok. No. It's not ok, Microsoft. You screwed up. You're back-peddling on almost everything you tried to do with the Xbone. What reason do I have to believe that you're all good?

Also, Windows 8 on consoles.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

I think in five years, we will laugh at any computing device you can't walk up to and talk to.

Wait, what computing devices can't you talk to already?

I talk to my office PC all the time. Mostly our conversations revolve around me telling Windows Defender to sod off and Outlook to hurry the fuck up.

 

[Something Amyss]

Wait, what computing devices can't you talk to already?

My Wii gets awful abusive when you try.

 

[Blow_Pop]

I don't know in some aspects I like my first gen PS3 better than my 360 and in others, I like my 360 better. That said, neither new console has had anything to entice me to upgrade(if I had the money to do so). Personally this entire article sounds like they're talking out their ass.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

That's pretty pathetic. Attributing less sales to contentment is beyond the realm of things Microsoft measures. Although admittedly, I don't see them saying at any point "We tried to push a bunch of shit on our playerbase that they didn't want and that may have contributed to the lost sales".

For the record though, voice control actually does sound cool. But detecting who is in the room is a bit creepy and using that to enforce DRM is atrocious.

 

[DirgeNovak]

Keep on spinnin' Yusuf, keep on spinnin'.
I know a lot of people who bought a PS4 specifically because they didn't want to deal with Microsoft's shitty practices and Kinect.
We're in May and PS4s barely have time to hit shelves before selling out, while Xbones are readily available in pretty much every store. And while we're on the subject, PS4 "being more available worldwide" is your damn fault for treating smaller markets like shit, Microsoft.

 

[Yopaz]

The difference in sales in North America is less than 400 000. In Europe where the Xbox One is only released in a few countries the difference is almost 2 millions and in Japan there's almost 600 000 PS4s sold and the Xbox One isn't released there yet. Simply by judging the numbers the number of countries seem to be at least part of what hurts the sales.

Care to share with the class wherein Microsoft has revealed these sales numbers? As far as I've seen, they've discussed only the number of units they shipped, not sold.

If you have these numbers please, do share. Otherwise...

Pot meet kettle.

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

These won't be 100% accurate and you're right. It doesn't specify shipped or sold, but this is some kind of source at least. Do you have any kind of source to back up your claim? Any at all? Even just a tiny one?


You are complaining about Microsoft making claims they can't back up. Then you make a claim you can't back up. Then you counter that by accusing me of the same thing.m Please do provide a source that can explain exactly what you claimed in your first post or I will disregard you completely as a hypocrite. You demand quantifiable proof for someone's claim, yet you fail to do so yourself. You demand to see a source yet refuse to provide one. You accuse me of being a hypocrite, yet my first two points in this line clearly shows you got nothing to stand on yourself.

If you don't provide a source I think I might nominate you for hypocrite of the year, because this is golden.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

For those who own both a PS3 and Xbox 360, which console are you more satisfied with?

Well I sold my Xbox and kept my Playstation; so score one for Sony.

And do you agree with Medhi's explanation that the reason the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One is due to it being released in more markets?

Why the hell is that such a shock to people? A device with basically the same (and in some cases, better) hardware is released in more markets with less restrictive/region locked content for a cheaper price? Hardly brain surgery which one is going to look more attractive.

 

[Strazdas]

Yusuf Mehdi, the master of spinning PR and not hicking up on his own lies. completely not biased either. its not like hes lead PR for company hes touting or something.

even before the release, PS3 sales proven that people were more satisfied with ps3, now when people realize that even 360 is better than Xbox Done hes spinning that line. Well of course people are more satisfied with 360, after all they dont want to downgrade.

 

[Dalisclock]

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, what he's saying is true. My question to MS is:

So, if people love the 360 so much and you knew this, WHY DID YOU WASTE SO MUCH MONEY DESIGNING A NEW CONSOLE?

Oh, did I just mess up your entire argument? Sorry.

 

[Dalisclock]

I think in five years, we will laugh at any computing device you can't walk up to and talk to.

Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMy1zO8m8sM

Sorry MS. Nice try. BTTF 2 is not an accurate predictor of the future. When I get my hoverboard, I might be inclined to take that seriously.

 

[tdylan]

Now that it isn't, why in the WORLD would anyone put Kinect functionality into a game?

I was going to answer "MS will demand that their first-party developers implement some kind of tacked on kinect feature," akin to Sony with their "touchpad" thing, but then I thought better of it. Reason being, MS put a kinect-less console out there because they've accepted the kinect isn't going to move units. They will make the argument "that it's still integral," but we all know that they're blowing smoke. Something isn't "integral" when you make it "optional." That said, would they have their first party developers waste resources with a kinect functionality that some of their player base won't even be able to use? They're going to the trouble of manufacturing kinect-less consoles in the hopes of selling them, so why would then then mandate resources to a feature that they've pretty much accepted will likely go unused?

This is quite a mess they find themselves in.

With regard to the voice features, has anyone been around someone that insists on constantly using those? It is annoying. The in work area next to mine is a programmer. Everyone's working only to be interrupted by him yelling at his phone "Call Jane Doe, Office." You then hear his phone reply "calling Jane Doe. Office." He then, sometimes, picks up the phone placing it to his ear. I've talked with others about it saying "Is yelling at the phone THAT much more convenient than using his thumb to scroll through the contacts?" It makes me think of those commercials that make the most mundane of activities appear to be terribly complicated:

"Everyone needs to make calls. But picking up your phone is such a hassle [shows someone feigning physical pain at the exertion of lifting their phone]. And holding onto it? What a chore [shows phones being dropped and broken]. And then taking the time to find the right contact? Forget it! [shows someone painstakingly scrolling through their contacts]. Well no there's SIRI. The handsfree way to dial anyone in your contacts, without having to pick up your phone."

The first time this hit me was when I walked into the room and witness my wife, phone in hand, saying "SIRI, set alarm for 7am." I thought:

1) You were alone in this room. Being alone in a room and shouting at your phone makes you look like a crazy person. Let's all take a step back and imagine ourselves alone in a house, yelling instructions at our devices
2) You're not alone, so yelling makes you an annoying, disruptive, asshole.
3) One of the beauties of my current setups is that I can play a video game in the middle of the night while other sleep, undisturbed. That goes out the window if in order to play my game, I have to turn on lights (so that kinet can see me), and yell commands due to some shoehorned voice feature. To that end, the voice features don't help me. I can't walk into the living room at 1am while others are sleeping and yell "Kinect! Play Titanfall!" I mean I could, but that would make me an inconsiderate ass.

I just don't see the appeal of voice commands outside of handsfree dialing while driving.

 

[Vigormortis]

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

These won't be 100% accurate and you're right. It doesn't specify shipped or sold, but this is some kind of source at least. Do you have any kind of source to back up your claim? Any at all? Even just a tiny one?


You are complaining about Microsoft making claims they can't back up. Then you make a claim you can't back up. Then you counter that by accusing me of the same thing.m Please do provide a source that can explain exactly what you claimed in your first post or I will disregard you completely as a hypocrite. You demand quantifiable proof for someone's claim, yet you fail to do so yourself. You demand to see a source yet refuse to provide one. You accuse me of being a hypocrite, yet my first two points in this line clearly shows you got nothing to stand on yourself.

If you don't provide a source I think I might nominate you for hypocrite of the year, because this is golden.

The only thing "golden" about this is that your own link refutes your point and enforces mine. It's also a bit ironic since it's the same link I was going to provide to prove my point.

Spoiler: From the list:

PlayStation 4 (PS4)
US - 3.47
Europe - 2.70
Japan - 0.56
Rest of the world - 0.76
Total - 7.49

Xbox One (XOne)
US - 3.12
Europe - 1.09
Japan - 0.00
Rest of the world - 0.29
Total - 4.50
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The difference between their respective totals is roughly 3 million units, the difference between their respective European totals is nearly 2 million units, and the difference between their total "rest of the world" sales is less than half a million.

Based on this chart it looks like the sales gap between the Xbox One and the PS4 can be attributed to a greater demand for the PS4 in virtually any given market; notably the European market. Hell, the European market alone accounts for the vast majority of the difference in units sold.

But please, continue to argue that the sales gap between the two can be explained by the PS4 being sold in more markets. And please do continue being incredibly rude and hostile towards other posters. It's certainly the best method for reasoned discourse.

 

[Yopaz]

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

These won't be 100% accurate and you're right. It doesn't specify shipped or sold, but this is some kind of source at least. Do you have any kind of source to back up your claim? Any at all? Even just a tiny one?


You are complaining about Microsoft making claims they can't back up. Then you make a claim you can't back up. Then you counter that by accusing me of the same thing.m Please do provide a source that can explain exactly what you claimed in your first post or I will disregard you completely as a hypocrite. You demand quantifiable proof for someone's claim, yet you fail to do so yourself. You demand to see a source yet refuse to provide one. You accuse me of being a hypocrite, yet my first two points in this line clearly shows you got nothing to stand on yourself.

If you don't provide a source I think I might nominate you for hypocrite of the year, because this is golden.

The only thing "golden" about this is that your own link refutes your point and enforces mine. It's also a bit ironic since it's the same link I was going to provide to prove my point.

Spoiler: From the list:

PlayStation 4 (PS4)
US - 3.47
Europe - 2.70
Japan - 0.56
Rest of the world - 0.76
Total - 7.49

Xbox One (XOne)
US - 3.12
Europe - 1.09
Japan - 0.00
Rest of the world - 0.29
Total - 4.50

Spoiler: From the list:

The difference between their respective totals is roughly 3 million units, the difference between their respective European totals is nearly 2 million units, and the difference between their total "rest of the world" sales is less than half a million.

Based on this chart it looks like the sales gap between the Xbox One and the PS4 can be attributed to a greater demand for the PS4 in virtually any given market; notably the European market. Hell, the European market alone accounts for the vast majority of the difference in units sold.

But please, continue to argue that the sales gap between the two can be explained by the PS4 being sold in more markets. And please do continue being incredibly rude and hostile towards other posters. It's certainly the best method for reasoned discourse.

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Just wondering here... You are aware of the fact that Xbox One is not released in large parts of Europe, right? We won't get it before September. I am European. It is not released here. In Europe. Where the largest difference is. Several countries don't have the Xbox One. Most have the PS4. Lots of potential customers, lots of customers who can't buy it even if they want to.

Where you aware of this fact before you replied? Are you aware of it now? You know? The fact that it's not released in all of Europe? The fact that this means a lot of potential loss of customers? Do I have to make this any more clear before you understand it?

Also you are aware of the fact that you did not provide any sources here? You continue to make claims you can't back up. Such as the fact that the Xbox has been released in Europe rather than a few European countries. That is a claim I can prove is wrong quite easily. You called me a hypocrite for demanding a source. I have provided a souce. You accepted that source. You keep ignoring the fact that I have asked for a source.

I don't think we need go on. You complain about claims lacking sources. You make demans of people to provide sources and you refuse to provide any yourself. You are a hypocrite and you have proven that perfectly. I can find two sources for that in this thread alone, both coming from you. I don't want to discuss with hypocrites so good night.

 

[DrOswald]

\
Have you tried not being so rude to it? Maybe it understands you, but decides not to comply?

Don't be ridiculous. Samsung products lack a soul, and therefore cannot feel.

No, they can only feel hatred. This is your phone taking it's tiny revenge in the only way it can.

OT: Is there some school out there where they teach you professional bullshitting? And I don't mean like normal education, in which bullshitting is an important skill that all learn naturally, but like a dedicated bullshitting course where they teach you nothing but how to successfully bullshit? Because this guy is good. While we can plainly see through the troll logic going on here I guarantee this sounds plausible to people who don't know the industry.

 

[Something Amyss]

No, they can only feel hatred. This is your phone taking it's tiny revenge in the only way it can.

XD

OT: Is there some school out there where they teach you professional bullshitting? And I don't mean like normal education, in which bullshitting is an important skill that all learn naturally, but like a dedicated bullshitting course where they teach you nothing but how to successfully bullshit? Because this guy is good. While we can plainly see through the troll logic going on here I guarantee this sounds plausible to people who don't know the industry.

I don't think this level of bullshitting can be taught. I think it's like, Einstein/Hawking level stuff that you simply have within you or don't.

 

[Vigormortis]

Just wondering here... You are aware of the fact that Xbox One is not released in large parts of Europe, right? We won't get it before September. I am European. It is not released here. In Europe. Where the largest difference is. Several countries don't have the Xbox One. Most have the PS4. Lots of potential customers, lots of customers who can't buy it even if they want to.

"Large parts"? That's rich. The Xbone is already available in the largest markets in Europe. The few it's yet to reach are usually smaller.

Where you aware of this fact before you replied? Are you aware of it now? You know? The fact that it's not released in all of Europe? The fact that this means a lot of potential loss of customers? Do I have to make this any more clear before you understand it?

Do you need to be more condescending? Not entirely sure you could be, honestly.

Besides, while the Xbone isn't available in all markets, the PS4 has routinely been sold out in most of it's respective markets. Demand is still incredibly high.

Also you are aware of the fact that you did not provide any sources here? You continue to make claims you can't back up. Such as the fact that the Xbox has been released in Europe rather than a few European countries. That is a claim I can prove is wrong quite easily. You called me a hypocrite for demanding a source. I have provided a souce. You accepted that source. You keep ignoring the fact that I have asked for a source.

I never once said it was released in every European country. Not once did those words appear in any of my posts. Please stop putting words into my mouth and then vehemently attacking me on them. You look foolish.

By your own link; the same link I was going to post in response; the sales are listed as a general "European" market. These were the numbers I was referring to. You providing those numbers and then attacking me for referencing them is just ridiculous.

I don't think we need go on. You complain about claims lacking sources.

Actually, I didn't at first. You did from the start. My original post was nothing more than an offhand comment on the nonsense being spewed by the PR shill in the OP. You were the one who decided to attack a fellow poster and demand sources.

You make demans of people to provide sources and you refuse to provide any yourself.

When you provide the same links I had planned to provide, what's the point? Redundancy?

You are a hypocrite and you have proven that perfectly. I can find two sources for that in this thread alone, both coming from you. I don't want to discuss with hypocrites so good night.

Good god. Your knickers are really in a bunch, aren't they? Why is it my off-hand comment has angered you more than, say, the bullshit spewed from the Microsoft PR rep or any of the other unsubstantiated claims by the other posters here?

It doesn't matter, really. I honestly don't care. You see, your first post contained this little gem:

The only conclusion is that people love their 360 too much.

You never provided a source for your claim, and yet demanded I provide some for mine. I can only laugh at how irrationally hostile you've been through this entire conversation.

Hypocrite? Why, yes. Yes you are.

Good day to you.

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By the way, my real claim of why the PS4 has outsold the Xbone is a combination of factors including limited markets (to a very small degree) a higher consumer demand for the PS4, a botched reveal and launch on Microsoft's part, and several other reasons. My original post, the one that ired you so, was my way of saying the PR reps claim that the Xbone isn't performing well is because of limited market reach is, at best, only partly true.

 

[faefrost]

\
Have you tried not being so rude to it? Maybe it understands you, but decides not to comply?

Don't be ridiculous. Samsung products lack a soul, and therefore cannot feel.

No, they can only feel hatred. This is your phone taking it's tiny revenge in the only way it can.

OT: Is there some school out there where they teach you professional bullshitting? And I don't mean like normal education, in which bullshitting is an important skill that all learn naturally, but like a dedicated bullshitting course where they teach you nothing but how to successfully bullshit? Because this guy is good. While we can plainly see through the troll logic going on here I guarantee this sounds plausible to people who don't know the industry.

Harvard or Columbia school of Journalism?

 

[Kennian]

Yea...people were more satisfied with the 360 and it's 66% failure rate.

i went through six of the damned things, thank the gods the xbox one hasn't had a single interesting exclusive. I might feel bad for missing it.