I really don't understand people who are acting like voice control is going to be this big superior thing. What, you're too lazy to press the silver button in the middle of the controller so you need to look down on everyone else?CriticalMiss said:
Microsoft: People More Satisfied With Xbox 360 Than PS3
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I'm SO satisfied with Microsoft's treatment of both the Xbox 360 and Kinect that I'm going to buy a PS4 this time around!
Seriously, there's spin and there's spin, but then there's SPIN. This guy is practically going to fling off earth and out of orbit with this kind of spin. I'm very impressed.
Seriously, there's spin and there's spin, but then there's SPIN. This guy is practically going to fling off earth and out of orbit with this kind of spin. I'm very impressed.
I purchased an Xbox 360 first, because I had come out of the last generation an Xbox gamer (I just didn't see the appeal of the PS2, and since Sony refuses to make modern systems backwards compatible I still don't). But after playing the 360 for a few months, seeing how unimpressive Halo 3 and a handful of other games were, I decided to switch over to a PS3 just to see how it handled. And frankly, I loved it. It ran smoother, faster, and seemed more user friendly. I bought a truckload of games for it and never had a problem with the console itself--it still runs smoothly after all these years, even though I know some gamers have had theirs crap out on them.
Sony just won that round for me. I know not everyone will see it that way, but that was my experience.
Anyways, what Yusuf is doing is grasping at straws. He's trying to put up a confident face so the investors don't shit their pants with rage-fear. He knows he's lying through his teeth. The just don't want to accept that their tyrannical restrictions have infuriated millions of buyers and that we're not all the stupid sheep they think we are.
Sony just won that round for me. I know not everyone will see it that way, but that was my experience.
Anyways, what Yusuf is doing is grasping at straws. He's trying to put up a confident face so the investors don't shit their pants with rage-fear. He knows he's lying through his teeth. The just don't want to accept that their tyrannical restrictions have infuriated millions of buyers and that we're not all the stupid sheep they think we are.
The reason the Xbox One isn't selling more or even well is because Microsoft doesn't have a shred of confidence in its own product. Ever since they announced it a year ago they've done nothing but go in circles about what it can and cannot do. They presented it as "the new water cooler" (I'm not even kidding), an ugly black brick that focused on everything from sports to social media BUT gaming. When it came out, it was more expensive than its main competition. It always needed to be online, except then it didn't, and then it had to log online once a day and so forth. DRM was a mess and muddled the ability to freely play trade-ins and used games. The Kinect added $100 to retail, but it was OK because it was an "essential and integrated" part of the system. Except it's not, because they just removed it and they're treating it like they fixed a problem. So what is it, Microsoft? Was it "essential and integrated", or something you had to fix? And now we're getting the latest in a long row of spin doctors telling the world the reason they're not doing so well is because their former product was even better. How's that supposed to bolster your sales, Microsoft? Cognitive dissonance much? The grapes that are just of reach weren't ripe anyway?
Man, this guy is so full of shit. I started out on 360, I had an elite and quite a few games for it, but then it red ringed. Sent it in to be fixed, red ringed again, so I bought a 360 from one of my friends who had two, red ringed. At that point I got fed up, sold all of my 360 games, and bought a ps3 with that money. I got a 360 slim for Christmas a few years back, but I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've used a 360 in the past 5 years, yet I use my ps3 nearly every day. I don't even miss using 360s, and I have several friends who also started with 360s before getting ps3s, and they all agree with me that the ps3 is easily the better of the two systems.
As for the PS4 selling better, 1. It's cheaper, 2. It's more powerful, 3. It doesn't come with Microsoft's greedy bullshit tacked on, 4. The UI isn't hideous like the XBONE's, and most importantly, 5. It has exclusives that people actually want, even if a lot of those aren't out yet. Second Son is fantastic though, and buying a PS4 was honestly worth it just for that. Plus we have more ratchet and clank games to look forward to, plus more last of us, more infamous, order 1886, etc,etc,etc.
But yea, Xbone's low sales are because the 360 was 'better.' ...better at failing maybe.
As for the PS4 selling better, 1. It's cheaper, 2. It's more powerful, 3. It doesn't come with Microsoft's greedy bullshit tacked on, 4. The UI isn't hideous like the XBONE's, and most importantly, 5. It has exclusives that people actually want, even if a lot of those aren't out yet. Second Son is fantastic though, and buying a PS4 was honestly worth it just for that. Plus we have more ratchet and clank games to look forward to, plus more last of us, more infamous, order 1886, etc,etc,etc.
But yea, Xbone's low sales are because the 360 was 'better.' ...better at failing maybe.
Man, this guy is so full of shit. I started out on 360, I had an elite and quite a few games for it, but then it red ringed. Sent it in to be fixed, red ringed again, so I bought a 360 from one of my friends who had two, red ringed. At that point I got fed up, sold all of my 360 games, and bought a ps3 with that money. I got a 360 slim for Christmas a few years back, but I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've used a 360 in the past 5 years, yet I use my ps3 nearly every day. I don't even miss using 360s, and I have several friends who also started with 360s before getting ps3s, and they all agree with me that the ps3 is easily the better of the two systems.
As for the PS4 selling better, 1. It's cheaper, 2. It's more powerful, 3. It doesn't come with Microsoft's greedy bullshit tacked on, 4. The UI isn't hideous like the XBONE's, and most importantly, 5. It has exclusives that people actually want, even if a lot of those aren't out yet. Second Son is fantastic though, and buying a PS4 was honestly worth it just for that. Plus we have more ratchet and clank games to look forward to, plus more last of us, more infamous, order 1886, etc,etc,etc.
But yea, Xbone's low sales are because the 360 was 'better.' ...better at failing maybe.
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Sorry about the double-post, I'm not really sure why it did that...
As for the PS4 selling better, 1. It's cheaper, 2. It's more powerful, 3. It doesn't come with Microsoft's greedy bullshit tacked on, 4. The UI isn't hideous like the XBONE's, and most importantly, 5. It has exclusives that people actually want, even if a lot of those aren't out yet. Second Son is fantastic though, and buying a PS4 was honestly worth it just for that. Plus we have more ratchet and clank games to look forward to, plus more last of us, more infamous, order 1886, etc,etc,etc.
But yea, Xbone's low sales are because the 360 was 'better.' ...better at failing maybe.
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Sorry about the double-post, I'm not really sure why it did that...
Hah...wow, I just don't have the words for the hubris and denial on display...
It's true, however, that I bought a 360 before a PS3, esp b/c of Sony's sheer arrogance with pricing, etc. Sony has since improved its act, and learned from the mistakes that MS is making now. As for last gen, I had to buy several 360's b/c of red ring failures or disk drives going faulty. How many times did I have to replace my PS3 b/c it became faulty? NONE!
As for the actual gaming experiences, I'd say they evened out, in the end. Mass Effect is why I bought my 360. I bought the PS3 for MGS4, and stayed for the RPG's. Back then, XBL was a superior service, even though online gaming was free on the PS3.
Complete role reversal now. Upon opening my PS4, I had to have it replaced (red line issue), but Sony did so in less than a week! Moreover, I was compensated with more money for my digital wallet, and a few months of PS+, which has jumped out the gate as superior to XBL.
So why'd I buy a PS4? Certainly NOT b/c I was "more happy with my 360 than my PS3"...that's ludicrous. I bought it b/c, in order...
1) expiring store credit
2) Watch Dogs
3) $100 cheaper at launch
4) more robust lineup at launch (w/ free games via PS+)
5) better looking cross-platform releases (however negligible)
I eventually bought my PS3 halfway into the generation, when it dropped to around $250. If there are enough console exclusives by then, I'll likely do the same with the XBONE.
It's true, however, that I bought a 360 before a PS3, esp b/c of Sony's sheer arrogance with pricing, etc. Sony has since improved its act, and learned from the mistakes that MS is making now. As for last gen, I had to buy several 360's b/c of red ring failures or disk drives going faulty. How many times did I have to replace my PS3 b/c it became faulty? NONE!
As for the actual gaming experiences, I'd say they evened out, in the end. Mass Effect is why I bought my 360. I bought the PS3 for MGS4, and stayed for the RPG's. Back then, XBL was a superior service, even though online gaming was free on the PS3.
Complete role reversal now. Upon opening my PS4, I had to have it replaced (red line issue), but Sony did so in less than a week! Moreover, I was compensated with more money for my digital wallet, and a few months of PS+, which has jumped out the gate as superior to XBL.
So why'd I buy a PS4? Certainly NOT b/c I was "more happy with my 360 than my PS3"...that's ludicrous. I bought it b/c, in order...
1) expiring store credit
2) Watch Dogs
3) $100 cheaper at launch
4) more robust lineup at launch (w/ free games via PS+)
5) better looking cross-platform releases (however negligible)
I eventually bought my PS3 halfway into the generation, when it dropped to around $250. If there are enough console exclusives by then, I'll likely do the same with the XBONE.
The thing is, I wouldn't even call this spin. Spinning is usually taking a negative, and shining a light on it that makes it seem inherently positive. For example, spinning the current situation might be 'I'm pleased to report that our stock levels of the Xbox One console are very strong, and ready to meet extensive consumer demand,' which would be a spin on 'We aren't selling enough of the bloody things.'theApoc said:
Or 'The consumer market has been very helpful in providing us with extensive feedback' being a spin on 'A very large chunk of the Internet is actively, vocally hating us.' In both cases, the statement is actually inherently, absolutely true, it's just emphasizing certain truths over others.
What's different about this is that, while obviously I can't say 'Xbox 360 owners are more satisfied than PS3 owners' is completely false, I'm honestly not getting how he could claim it's true. Is there some poll he's referencing, even an incredibly unreliable Internet poll, or did he literally just pull this out of his ass? Because if he did, or for that matter if whatever source he has falls in the category of obviously unreliable Internet blog poll, (which ironically was a metric that many Xbox fans criticized back when the PS4 was trampling it in most of them,) then this isn't spinning, this is outright lying. Not lying because it's automatically wrong, but lying because he couldn't possibly know that it's right, and what's more he would know that he couldn't possibly know that it's right, so he's trying to sell a con, blatantly so, AND it's a con that's full of holes.
He hasn't explained why so many incredibly satisfied Xbox 360 owners were going to hop over to PlayStation this generation, hasn't accounted for the fact that the Xbox 360's line of exclusive content actually slackened over the last couple of years in comparison to the PlayStation 3 leaving 360 owners with more of a drought and therefore more reasons to switch over, completely and utterly disregarded the vast chorus of 'THIS IS WHY WE HATE YOU!' coming from many of those who haven't switched, (A chorus that they obviously have been listening to, considering they've been making changes that fall into line with many of these criticisms,) and overall has made a statement that not only can't be proven true, but actually has several points going against it.
It would be like Sony last generation, insisting that the real reason that the PlayStation 3 was lagging behind wasn't because of the fact that it's Multiplats were generally buggier and less visually crisp, wasn't because of the higher price point, wasn't because their general behavior and attitude was arrogant and oafish, no, it was because the PlayStation 2 was just so damn awesome, nobody wants to leave!
That statement is stupid and shady beyond almost all mortal ken, regardless of which company makes it.
That's some flawed logic there, but... ok, it's kind of true in my case. I am more satisfied with my 360 than my PS3.
The Kinect problem, is that they were trying to push it as a gaming thing, which it isn't.
And I definitely don't see myself looking down on any device, five years from now, that doesn't have voice commands. Hell, even in my car, where my hands are busy and I'm paying attention to the road and the traffic, I don't use the voice commands.
The Kinect problem, is that they were trying to push it as a gaming thing, which it isn't.
And I definitely don't see myself looking down on any device, five years from now, that doesn't have voice commands. Hell, even in my car, where my hands are busy and I'm paying attention to the road and the traffic, I don't use the voice commands.
"They don't need our new product, because our last one was so fucking good!"
Honestly, though, I can't see why anyone would need to get a current-gen system. Unless you really, really need that game, right fucking now, there's no real reason to move up to the PS4/Xbone.
Honestly, though, I can't see why anyone would need to get a current-gen system. Unless you really, really need that game, right fucking now, there's no real reason to move up to the PS4/Xbone.
True. But, like you said, it's the same for both brands. Saying that Sony has good sales on the new console, because their old one was bad, while MS doesn't sell well, because their previous product was too good, is completely wrong.Scrythe said:
Hah, even Batman looks sad next to that pile of crap.piscian said:
The mods will warn you for posting just a picture, btw, they have some "pics don't express opinion policy".
(Raises hand) I bought both. I own both. I can honestly say that, even when I was still playing 360, I was enjoying my PS3 more. Now, my 360 has a layer of dust on it and is used as a stand for my ponies. I have not turned that thing on to play games in months, whereas I'm still playing the living daylights out of my PS3.
Now, I will admit that a huge part of this is due to the fact that my friends have PS3s too, and while some of them have a 360 also, not all of them. So it's easier to play with the group on the PS3. However, the PS3 has one major advantage over the 360 in my view: free online. I can play with friends and chat with them with a headset with no fees. That kicks the 360 in the head in my opinion.
Now, I will admit that a huge part of this is due to the fact that my friends have PS3s too, and while some of them have a 360 also, not all of them. So it's easier to play with the group on the PS3. However, the PS3 has one major advantage over the 360 in my view: free online. I can play with friends and chat with them with a headset with no fees. That kicks the 360 in the head in my opinion.
But here's the thing, the PS4 doesn't need spin. The PS4 doesn't need it's own market analysts coming out of the woodwork every few days to explain why the metrics for the console aren't as good as a main competitor.theApoc said:
We have this announcement today (based on zero facts.)
We had the Kinect free version two days ago (which was stated as never ever happening, as a physically impossible thing.)
We had the guy telling us the Xbox was a 'super computer design' 3 days before that, to excuse why the Xbox was seemingly less powerful than the PS3
We had Bill Gates saying he would support selling the Xbox division five days before that, with Microsoft having to 'clarify' that they were still fully committed to it.
Not to mention the undeniable fact that many games currently are releasing at higher resolution or framerate on the PS4, most recently Watchdogs (announced yesterday as 900p/30FPS on PS4, and 792p/30FPS on Xbox One)
And finally, what exactly does the Xbox360 do that the PS4 cannot, at the moment all I'm finding is 'cross game chat' whatever that is, although I'm pretty sure 360 doesn't play Bluray, which the PS3 does.
