Microsoft Xbox needs to die.

[Flac00]

I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

BTW I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with your 360's. I've got three in the house (2 Pros and a 360S) and none of them have had any problems.

So have you ever heard of these games: Counter-Strike, Team Fortress 2, Nexuiz, Day of Defeat, Killing Floor, Dear Esther, and Red Orchestra?
All of them were mods. Not to mention multiple genres including DOTA's, Tower Defense Games were created as mods.
Even more than that, many mods have improved games significantly (HD packs), and some proved as the basis for many new games (Operation Desert Storm for Battlefield 2, Project something-or-other for Portal) and many many more.

Mods are the bread and butter for PC games. In fact, they are usually as good as many games due to their high production values with their constant innovation.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I was referring to the Slim.

And further investigation shows it doesn't void your warranty on the slim either...

I stand corrected then. A fully advantageous feature, then. (No mockery, being honest). I don't think it makes up for the rest of the system's failures, but it would be disingenuous to ignore a feature or not take responsibility for being wrong about it.

 

[Snotnarok]

Fourth Xbox to die? That's it? I lost 7 of them to ROODs and the E74, now I just use my 360 controllers on my PC.

 

[Vigormortis]

Holy wall of text, Batman!

Loved they way you took the time to type out format, and bold your response by the way...

I must say, you are a very impassioned person on this issue.

Alright, I'll be honest. I wrote my OP in a bit of a rage and it could have been far less dickish. Most of my points stand with a bit of rational adjusting... I just get sick of the "PC is better and that is a given" vibe that comes from these threads.

We REALLY need to stop these threads. I have yet to see one that hasn't devolved into at least vicious arguing if not a full fledged flamewar. [sub/]alliteration is fun...[/sub]

I don't know if threads on the topics of PCs or consoles should stop, but people jumping into any that crop up solely to bash one platform or another need to grow the hell up. That's the real problem.

I'm not so much impassioned, as you put it, as I am sick of hearing people argue on the whole thing. I've actually gone to the same lengths on other threads to defend consoles.

As for the wall of text, well...it was late. I was suffering from a severe bout of insomnia. And, I was bored out of my friggin' mind. (plus, just utterly sick of the argument) So I figured, instead of having some long, drawn out back-and-forth I'd just lay out all of my points at once. I'll grant I may have gone a bit overboard. Especially with the tone of condescension. (sorry 'bout that)

Still, I think we both agree the idiocy on either side, from those who are intent on bashing the other, has reached epic proportions.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

No, you don't. All software, be it games or operating systems, are licenses. You own the disc, and that is all you own ASIDE FROM THE LICENSE FOR THE SOFTWARE ON THE DISC. It's been that way for easily over 20 years, no amount of denial or disbelief is going to change that.

So...to put things differently, I own the gun, but I only have a 'license' for the bullets inside the magazine?

I'm curious how only having the contents of the disc 'licensed' even matters when you own the physical disc. I mean, it matters in the modern DRM era, but even then, owning the disc seems like a pretty big part of it. It sounds like all the license does is prevent you from replicating/profiting from it yourself. I mean, T-shirts are like that, too, if they've got a copyrighted logo on it.

 

[Waaghpowa]

So...to put things differently, I own the gun, but I only have a 'license' for the bullets inside the magazine?

Guns != Software, that should be fairly obvious.

I'm curious how only having the contents of the disc 'licensed' even matters when you own the physical disc. I mean, it matters in the modern DRM era, but even then, owning the disc seems like a pretty big part of it. It sounds like all the license does is prevent you from replicating/profiting from it yourself.

Do you own the copyright to the software? If the answer is no, then you can't own the game. That's exactly what a license is, it's a set of terms and conditions for the use of said software that says that you may use it so long as you follow their terms.

I mean, T-shirts are like that, too, if they've got a copyrighted logo on it.

Yes, you own the Tshirt, but not the logo. Again, this should be fairly obvious.

If you're still confused, look up copyrights and intellectual property.

 

[zehydra]

All that and yet you bought four of the things and continue to pay for their internet services? When you keep throwing money at them like this, you are giving them every reason to think they are doing a fantastic job.

More or less my sentiments exactly.

If OP wants them to lose, then why does he continue to support them?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Guns != Software, that should be fairly obvious.

...I think you got whatever symbol you were going for wrong. Either that, or '!=' isn't a sign that I recognize.

Do you own the copyright to the software? If the answer is no, then you can't own the game. That's exactly what a license is, it's a set of terms and conditions for the use of said software that says that you may use it so long as you follow their terms.

So we get back to the point I was trying to make: there's a big difference between owning a disc with licensed software on it versus just having the licensed software by means of some online source, and most of it comes down to physically owning something in the case of the former and physically owning jack in the latter. Can we agree on that part?

Yes, you own the Tshirt, but not the logo. Again, this should be fairly obvious.

If you're still confused, look up copyrights and intellectual property.

I think we got our wires crossed at some point in this conversation. I was pointing out that through systems like Steam, you own nothing at all when purchasing a license to a game. With CDs, you own the means by which you are given a license of the game, to which you replied, "All software is licenses, you don't own your Xbox games either. Get over it." I don't own the copyright to Ninja Gaiden because I bought the game, nor did I ever claim to, but I sure as hell own the disc itself, and that's far more power for me than what Steam offers.

 

[LauriJ]

Well, Microsoft is still a newcomer in the console business. Just let them do their thing and you can bet they can come up with an amazing console, one that would rival even Playstation.

 

[LauriJ]

By the way, why do you hate the Xbox anyway? At least it has a cool name.

 

[chinangel]

In a perfect world everyone would buy games only for the pc

and with that line, you have destroyed your entire credibility. Computer's are expensive, this coming from someone with a full time job. I can't afford to buy a high-powered gaming pc and keep it updated with various software and hardware.

for people who can't afford high-spec gaming pc's, consoles are a godsend, nad that's what I will stick with.

 

[Waaghpowa]

blather.

You seen to be confused by the idea that owning a disc with software is any different than downloading it from the internet. The disc is merely a medium in which the software is delivered to the end user, the internet is just another method. I can actually put steam games on to discs, external drives or flash drives for personal use. The fact you bought a disc at the store means very little and doesn't change anything except how you feel about.

Edit: In fact, it's easier to prove I own a license of a game on steam should anything happen. If you lose your disc or it breaks what can you do? Damaged disc, sure you can return/replace it but lose it? Try going to the game store and see how that works out. Don't bother saying "Well I don't lose my discs/break them", no shit. Things happen and things get lost. Steam game gets corrupted or uninstalled? I just re download it, no questions asked. The ability to retrieve my game from anywhere anytime is worth far more than a stupid plastic disc.

!= means "not equal to" in C code by the way

Since you seem so convinced that something as material as a sliver of plastic makes anydifference in how you receive your games, I would suggest you go out and buy a spindle of DVD's for those games you have on XBLA, PSN or when things start making their transition to digital. Don't want you to start feeling scared.

Also preemptively ignoring you since I'm tired of arguing about how a stupid plastic disc makes any difference in software purchases that you have no ownership over anyway.

 

[Steampunk Viking]

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

I'm an XBox fan! But no, I can't think of a decent "for" arguement against this.

I will, however, say that apparently, according to a few console repair shops I know of, the Playstation 3 apparently dies alot easier, but Sony are more willing to bribe silence out of people by just handing them a new one.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Biodeamon]

aaaaawww, look. the haters going to cry...somebody get a tissue.

Xbox may not be the best thing out their but it's alot better than the alternatives. i feel that microsoft is a bit more trustworthy than their competitors (*ahem* sony *ahem*). I mean look Sony's record...how many times have they been hacked? how much important personal information has been stolen? Microsoft is much more secure.

and now not our fualt you've had complete crap luck iwth the xbox. don't blame others becuase mine is just fine.

 

[Bigeyez]

Still have my original Xbox that was purchased during the launch week of the console. Yup. My original controller finally died in the middle of last year but other then that I'm golden with it.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Take better care of your consoles people!

- Make sure they have room to breath/expend heat.
- Don't stack them on top of each other.
- Don't leave a cluttered mess around them. Trash goes in a trash can.
- Dust them when they need it.
- Keep them off the floor, especially a carpeted floor.

This isn't rocket science people. Neglected/abused things tend to break.

 

[Fappy]

Take better care of your consoles people!

- Make sure they have room to breath/expend heat.
- Don't stack them on top of each other.
- Don't leave a cluttered mess around them. Trash goes in a trash can.
- Dust them when they need it.
- Keep them off the floor, especially a carpeted floor.

This isn't rocket science people. Neglected/abused things tend to break.

I've been neglecting and abusing my consoles since I was four years old and the only ones to ever die on me were 360s.

Also, my NES is older than me and works fine.

 

[etherlance]

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

Well.....Oh, when I press the open button on my console it makes a sort of: "Bzzzzuuuuuuuu", Noise......which makes me smile

 

[Epyc Wynn]

I theorize that the Xbox 360 works for the the dark-side of the force now hear me out here. The Xbox 360 is like any other corporation that wants MONEY which is okay, but they seem to suck much more money from people than a sane corporation would. The reason being is that THEY ARE BUILDING A DEATH STAR 3.0. It costs around 8.1 quadrillion dollars to make one so this explains their leech-like sucking of money from people and they don't care who goes down in the process because they work for Darth Vader. Darth Vader controls them with his legendary powers of darkness to convert them to his side. This explains why they make their huge games like Gears of War and Halo so bloody, repetitive, and addicting: so they can MAKE MONEY as cheaply as possible for the Death Star 3.0 which will be finished after the next installment of Halo comes out. The Kinect is agreeably complete CRAP but it made MILLIONS of dollars. Why, because its cheap and repetitive and people are used to buying this crap from Microsoft which I theorize they already know is crap but they still buy it because the Microsoft Corporation is controlling them with the dark-side's force. THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!

 

[Johnny Impact]

All that and yet you bought four of the things and continue to pay for their internet services? When you keep throwing money at them like this, you are giving them every reason to think they are doing a fantastic job.

Quoted for truth. I do not own a 360. Never have, never will. My friend is on his fifth. I bought my PS3 at full original price shortly after release and it still cost me less than half what all his Xboxes cost him. Oh, AND it's a more powerful system, AND allows use of its online services without a fee, AND has worked flawlessly for years instead of needing to be shipped to California every so often. Given the reputation 360s have earned I can't believe anyone would buy one.