Miyamoto Thinks PS Vita Needs More Games
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Is it really a surprise? Releasing a new IP involves a lot of risk. It might not take off or gets over looked. Releasing a new IP on the eshop isn't as risky. It doesn't take as much to make a game popular. A good star rating, good word of mouth, and good presentation on the eshop is enough to make an eshop game successful. So why not release a new IP on the eshop?AzrealMaximillion said:
I suppose Theatrhythm Final Fantasy and Kid Icarus Uprising kinda count as a new IP. They aren't like the other games in the series. Theatrhythm Final Fantasy is a rhythm game and the new Kid Icarus game doesn't play like the old games at all.
Wait... They actually PRAISED the default controls for MPH? the game was great (possibly one of the best the DS ever had to offer), but those controls were among the worst piece of shit controls i have ever had the displeasure and discomfort of using.iceykitsune said:
if not for the option that allowed you to use the face buttons to aim, i would probably have never touched that game again after the first half hour.
Anyway, the vita is a bit lacking right now, but it has at least got a few reasonable titles closing in. the 3DS is only now beginning to pick up steam. i own a vita now, because honestly there's more titles on it that interest me on it already than what the 3DS has so far. i've gotten at least 150 hours of gameplay out of the various titles i have for my vita so far.
the most interesting thing i've seen in the 3DS's favour at the moment is that there is a purple variant available. maybe if/when there's a new golden sun or even a new sidescrolling Metroid (a man can dream) available for it i'll decide it's worth picking up. at the current point in time i'd just end up suffering from buyer's regret.
Also, having a region locked handheld(or console of any kind) in Australia is honestly kind of shit. most of the cool DS games never came so far as touching Australian shores. i can see the same exact thing happening with the 3DS.
Yeah, it's actually surprising that you'd use e-shop games for your argument. Here's why. It just proves even more that Nintendo has no idea how to promote 3rd party developers at all. That's the reason Megaman Legends 3 got cancelled. Original IPs come out more often on the PC, 360, and PS3 more often than on the Wii. Nintendo has had 2 major instances where they have screwed over 3rd party devs by a lack of support. The Capcom 5, and the games that were a part of Operation Rainfall. It's kind of sad that they've had fans as well as other companies have to literally yell at them to support 3rd party games in one way or another.Zouriz said:
If the only was for Nintendo to sell 3rd Party games is through the e-Shop, a lot of 3rd Party Developers are going to ditch Nintendo just as they ditched Sega years ago. And if it doesn't take much for a game to become popular as you've said, why is it so damn hard for 3rd party devs to gain any traction on Nintendo's consoles? Remember how MadWorld flopped just because it was rated 'M'? Remember how well the cult classic No More Heroes sold? Why did No More Heroes 2 flop so hard? I know why but I want to hear your reasoning for why they flopped, considering that you think its so easy for a game to become popular.
And no Kid Icarus and Theatrhythm Final Fantasy are not new IPs. You need to understand that a new IP would be a new franchise. Kid Icarus Uprising is effectively a sequel. Just because it doesn't play the same as a game from 20 YEARS ago doesn't mean it's new. That's like saying that Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is a because it's in 3D. And the musical Final Fantasy game is a spin off, not a new IP. Nintendo needs more new IP that are actually console/handheld games, not e-Shop games. e-Shop games don't sell consoles or handhelds, especially not with the way Nintendo let the e-Shop die a horrible death on the Wii.
You can't really bring up a whole bunch of unknown $10 games as examples of 3rd Party 3DS games that are new IPs and then turn around and say that new IPs are risky so they should be released on the e-Shop. Gamers want new big franchises. They happen all the time on the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. New IPs are risky on Nintendo products because Nintendo doesn't support their 3rd party at all.
Wait a minute, I thought MML3 was cancelled because Capcom didn't see the game(Or Megaman in general sadly enough) as profitable so they cancelled the game. I don't think Nintendo had anything to do with it.AzrealMaximillion said:
Is it really that surprising that Madworld and No More Heroes weren't hit. They seem like niche games to me. Especially No More Heroes. Can you really blame Nintendo for that? It seems like it is more the publishers fault not Nintendo's. It's their job to promote their own game. I more blame Nintendo for have no quality control on the Wii's third game. It's a lot like what happened to the Atari 2600. So many bad third party game it's hard to tell the good from the bad.
Anyway, I not worried. The DS had no problem with third party game(In fact that was one of its strengths) and I think Nintendo have learned their lesson. At least I hope so.
I wasn't saying that new IPs should be released on the eshop because it is riskier otherwise. I am saying the new IP third party games flourish a lot easier on the eshop. Game that would be otherwise niche have a better chance to become successful. The eshop gives developers more freedom to be creative without as much risk. You right the eshop doesn't push the systems sales, but its nice incentive. Especially since it has games like Super Mario Land 2 and Pushmo. Two games that are actually being sold in Gamestop right now on the store selves.
Unfortunately, new IPs seems rather sparse on the 3DS at the moment. A fact I hope changes soon. The 3DS needs some more new blood. It seems Nintendo and other companies would rather release sequels and ports then new IPs at the moment. Probably because they want to build up the 3DSs user base before releasing new IPs. It seems to be working. The 3DS already has several HUGE games. First and third party. The big three (Mario Kart 7, Super Mario Land 3D, and Monster Hunter 3G) have been on the top 10 in Japan since their release.
Now THAT is a good, original idea!Guffe said:
Especially since the Nintendo Game & Watch series is thirty years old, and they stopped making them around '90/'91 when the GameBoy arrived.
MML3 was cancelled because of Capcom doing all of the promoting for it, as well as the very low sales of the 3DS. It wasn't profitable to make MML3 for the 3DS. And along with seeing Nintendo only promoting MML3 pre-3DS release and them clamp up about any 3rd party games may have a lot to do with it as well. Think, when was the last time you've heard anything about the MGS3 remake?Zouriz said:
And yes I can blame Nintendo for the fact that their niche games fail. I'm sorry but the PS2 had tons of niche games that went on to become part of their, "Greatest Hits" line up. Shadow of The Colossus, Ico, Mark of Kri, Disgaea, Okami, and Odin Sphere all are pretty niche games. They all managed to sell the 400,000 units in order to become of the greatest hits list. Hell, the original Xbox picked up even more niche titles like Jet Set Radio Future and Shenmue, AND advertised for them.
No More Heroes sold pretty damn well for a niche title on the Wii. It was advertised based on it being a different and unique game. Then the sequel rolls around and not a damn peep from Nintendo about it. It flopped pretty hard. Niche games can sell. Look at how Demon's Souls blew up. As soon as word of mouth got around Sony promoted the piss out of that game. It sold well enough to have a multiplatform sequel.
Niche titles should not have to be subject to being released on the eShop, especially not if they're backed by big companies. It's easier to release some $10 indie game on the PC than it is to release it on the eShop thanks to things like Steam and Desura.
And while the DS may not have had the worst 3rd Party dev support, there was still the mountain of shovelware you had to sift through. That and alot of the good 3rd party DS games were spinoffs of console games, or sequels to console games.
And the theory that Nintendo is waiting for a bigger base before they release new IPs makes little sense considering that a lack of interesting games to play was one of the major reasons the 3DS was doing so badly in the first place. Nintendo posted a $500 million dollar loss for the first time ever, they don't have time to be waiting for a base to grow.
It's true that that, as it is a new system, there isn't a particularly great selection of games on the Vita yet in comparison to the 3DS. This is just the natural cycle of things though, for a system that relies on 3rd Party support. Not to mention the PS Vita is newer than the 3DS.
With Nintendo, you're always going to have a head in by first party titles. No system has a plethora of amazing third party titles when it first comes out. So Nintendo has a clear advantage there. Like every other Sony system, with enough time, they'll have a lot of good third party stuff.
Gamers everywhere: The 3DS needs more games worth buying!
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