Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

No, they don't. My copy is for the 360. I never installed the game and I never had an agreement/contract pop up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD_v._Zeidenberg
"Zeidenberg created a website and offered the information originally on the CD to visitors for a fee that was less than what ProCD charged its commercial customers"
How is a physical CD digital again?

Also many games nowadays have a "this software is subject to a license agreement" stamp/wording on the box normally on the back in that area of small text you are EXPECTED to read before you buy the game.

In a case like that EA could argue that since you were told of the EULA's existence you should have looked it up beforehand.

Just checked, nope. Not on the back or the pamphlet inside. Just a warning about circumventing copy protection. Anything other than that is not mentioned.

 

[Aerosteam]

Why shouldn't people be modding? What ethical rule does it breach to set your FOV, fix bugs, or add content to a single-player game?

Why don't you ask BioWare that question? They're the ones who are actually banning people for doing it, I just think it's wrong. Their game, their rules. You want to mod their game? Hope you like getting banned. This is not me, this is BioWare.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You say that like modders are criminals.

I cant say it like anything because text does not have tone nor my typing something = me "saying" anything because text =/= spoken words.

Secondly I never once stated or implied that they are criminals because they are not, at least so long as the developers has said it is ok for them to mod.

 

[IMGF]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

You say that like modders are criminals.

I cant say it like anything because text does not have tone nor my typing something = me "saying" anything because text =/= spoken words.

Secondly I never once stated or implied that they are criminals because they are not............... so long as the developers has said it is ok for them to mod.

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Why shouldn't people be modding? What ethical rule does it breach to set your FOV, fix bugs, or add content to a single-player game?

Why don't you ask BioWare that question? They're the ones who are actually banning people for doing it, I just think it's wrong. Their game, their rules. You want to mod their game? Hope you like getting banned. This is not me, this is BioWare.

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

Yep. Plus, it's not like EA makes games that are all that good anyway.

 

[SajuukKhar]

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

Because me agreeing that the owner of an item has the right to tell others what not to do with it is means I am a corporate lackey?

I guess me agreeing with someone that a person he lets borrow his lawnmower can only mow his lawn with it and not upgrade it also makes me a corporate lackey also?

 

[IMGF]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

 

[wintercoat]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

Y'know, while I'm here, and I've already said what I have to say on the matter, I have to ask...where is your avatar from? It looks so friggin familiar and it's been bothering me lately that I can't figure out what it's from.

 

[SajuukKhar]

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

Valve could ban you from Steam if you modded a Bethesda game that Bethesda said you couldn't mod but that wouldn't be Valve's fault as Valve didn't set the rules for that particular game the developer did.

Origin is just the enforcer it is the Devs who set the mandate.

Y'know, while I'm here, and I've already said what I have to say on the matter, I have to ask...where is your avatar from? It looks so friggin familiar and it's been bothering me lately that I can't figure out what it's from.

It is from Battle Angel Alita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Angel_Alita

 

[IMGF]

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

Valve could ban you from Steam if you modded a Bethesda game that Bethesda said you couldn't mod but that wouldn't be Valve's fault as Valve because they did set the rules for that particular game the developer did.

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

 

[hazabaza1]

Yipes.
Glad I could get through the game without editing the FOV like I was tempted to.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

Because me agreeing that the owner of an item has the right to tell others what not to do with it is means I am a corporate lackey?

I guess me agreeing with someone that a person he lets borrow his lawnmower can only mow his lawn with it and not upgrade it also makes me a corporate lackey also?

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

 

[SajuukKhar]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

Your example is flawed because you own that lawnmower in question, games you don't actually own you license.

Every game you payed for is just a very long rent that can be taken away at any time.

 

[Aerosteam]

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

Why are you even asking me these questions? Basically if you mod BioWare's game, you're going to get banned. That's it, nothing else. Nothing to elaborate.

All you've done is bring up ethnics and if it has something to do with EA's legal department and ask me questions about them. I'm not punishing anyone for modding Mass Effect 3, EA is. Ask them.

 

[IMGF]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

Yes, but Valve would ban you from a single game, not your entire collection. Origin would ban you from your entire collection for modding on one game. There is a difference between the two. Valve and EA can ban you, sure, but banning me from my entire collection is complete bullshit when I only modded Mass Effect 3. I shouldn't lose my right to play Sims 3 or Battlefield 3 because of it.

That's why I won't buy anything from Origin if they can just take away my entire collection for violating some sort of bullshit rule.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

Your example is flawed because you own that lawnmower in question, games you don't actually own you license.

Every game you payed for is just a very long rent that can be taken away at any time.

it was flawed to begin with, as it is a physical item, not digital. Once again, as I pointed out originally, the legality of it, all been said and understood, I was merely referencing the moral side of it. taken away at any time? I would love to see someone try to take my games away. Hell I personally invite that company or person to attempt it, and what grounds they are based on.

 

[Kahunaburger]

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

Why are you even asking me these questions? Basically if you mod BioWare's game, you're going to get banned. That's it, nothing else. Nothing to elaborate.

All you've done is bring up ethnics and if it has something to do with EA's legal department and ask me questions about them. I'm not punishing anyone for modding Mass Effect 3, EA is. Ask them.

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."