Mojang and Bethesda Are Going to Court

ChildofGallifrey

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tanis1lionheart said:
Better sue the Mexicans that name their kids Jesus because 'devoted fans' get confused as to which one to pray to.
Wait...you mean my old friend from high school isn't the Messiah?

OT: I can't really add anything that hasn't been said already. I don't care much for the Elder Scrolls franchise, but Bethesda is nothing short of an 80's teen movie villain in this situation. And every 80's teen movie ends with the little guy winning.
 

SilverUchiha

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Isn't this entirely too similar to the big deal with the word "edge" in game titles being cock-blocked by lawyers because some stupid company thought that people would leech off their popularity? Also, this reminds me of that stupid copyright thing Nintendo mentioned a while back about the whole, "It's on like Donkey Kong". I get copyrighting IPs, worlds, etc. That's fine because that's creative content... but why are we trying to copyright words from the english language? Are we that insecure that we can't let words like "Edge" or "scroll" be used outside a certain context? It's depressing, really.
 

Buck Wilde

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Bethesda, I am disappoint. Lately they seem to have strayed down the path towards becoming dicks. This is pretty ridiculous.
 

Jake the Snake

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Bethesda has no leg to stand on here. I really hope this gets thrown out quickly. Bethesda, you don't need anymore money. Quit picking on a successful indie developer on the pretense they violate copyright. Is the word Scrolls just completely off limits now? Can I not include in the title to anything? This is bull fuckin' shit.

Still getting Skyrim though.
 
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sravankb said:
Another reason why I don't support Bethesda. Well, the first being that their games are mediocre nonsense, but this just puts the nail in the coffin. Damn cunts.
Did you hear that Bethesda? MEDIOCRE NONSENSE! Hah! An excellent walloping ol' chap. An excellent walloping indeed.
 

Levethian

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Voodoomancer said:
OT: 10 cents says this gets thrown out for being stupid.
Would love to live in a world where legal cases are dismissed for being 'stupid'.

'Scrolls' is hardly an everyday word though. 54 search results from Metacritic (all categories), all Elder Scrolls. Nothing else has claimed that name before.

Dickish though it may be, I can't hold it against Publishers if they vehemently protect their copyrights. And I certainly don't hold it against the actual game developers.


Plus, you can't rule out the possibility that parents/grandparents who buy games for their children/grandchildren will never get confused by this. The public love to be told that all consumers are intelligent enough avoid confusion - but I don't believe it.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
Good for Bethesda.

I hope they get to see Mojang driven before them.
you don't understand the lawsuit do you?
Frostbite3789 said:
Paragon Fury said:
Good for Bethesda.

I hope they get to see Mojang driven before them.
What? I...just...huh? I can't even begin to comprehend the logic.

"Go big corporation with no leg to stand on! Win this case you have no business winning because I have an irrational hate of something!"
Relax, guys. Paragon Fury is either a Minecraft hater or a troll. Either way, not worth getting bothered over.

OT: Looking forward to having my faith in humanity once again trampled, when this lawsuit is not only taken very seriously by the courts, but becomes a high priority case, and Mojang is made to pay out the ass over something incredibly stupid and trivial.

P.S.: Dear Bethesda: If you actually manage to get this garbage through the courts, and wind up suing Mojang into bankruptcy, then prepare for that to be the last money you ever make. I don't care how awesome Skyrim is, if you kill Minecraft, you will never sell another game to anyone, anywhere, ever again. EVER.

EDIT: An idea: If Bethesda is actually able to get this to court, we should get the escapist to allow us to temporarily change all our user names to "Scrolls".
 

drosalion

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Its pretty funny because no matter what happens from here Mojang/Notch have already 'won' and Bethesda have already 'lost'.

Fantastic publicity for Mojang really - and add to that theres a damn good chance Mojang will win the court case too.
 

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Damn, I really wanted to see that Quake 3 match. "NOTCH V.S. BETHSEDA: 3...2...1... FIGHT!"
Bethseda, I can think of so many other companies who would have jumped with glee at such a fun way of solving a problem, but nope, you're taking it to court.
And you're the company that freaking bought Id Software. That's just silly.
 

scorptatious

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I don't really see how people could confuse Scrolls with the Elder Scrolls games considering most people simply refer to those games by their subtitles, such as Oblivion, Morrowind, and Skyrim. So really I don't think Bethesda is going to win this.

This isn't going to stop me from buying Skyrim though.



Fit to the twelfth power?? No! I didn't study!
 

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You've already lost in the court of public opinion, Bethesda. Just drop the case all together. Besides, I doubt you can buy justice in Sweden like you can in America.
 

Viral_Lola

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*gasp!* I can't tell which one is which! Help me before I buy the wrong game. *cries* Okay, this case is a waste of time and money and should be thrown out.
 

RealDarkelfguy

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*sigh* Here we go again. Another news story about the "Bethesda vs Mojang" trademark dispute, and suddenly people get all worked up with "Anti-Bethesda" hysteria and saying they have no case without even bothering to research trademark law or, heaven forbid, the actual trademarks related to this dispute. And once more, people seem to be blindly latching on to the concept that Notch and crew are somehow victims in this whole mess. Now there's a lot more to this whole issue than the rather narrow-minded view that "Notch is right, Bethesda is wrong and being bullies" that a lot of people seem to have adopted of late. Like everything else in this world, this trademark dispute is hardly so black and white. Let's examine the facts of the issue in detail before passing judgement on either party.

First of all, the way trademark law works is once you register a trademark, you have to defend it against any and all threats or risk losing it (and this has been mentioned several times now). This doesn't mean that one company gets to use that trademark exclusively though. Different companies can hold the same trademark (well, the same trademarked word at least) for different products. For example, you're probably familiar with Id Software's trademark on "Rage", but this trademark can co-exist with other "Rage" trademarks like the "Rage" trademark on motor-scooters and another "Rage" trademark on pesticides (fun fact: there's over 30 different trademarks on the word "Rage"). You see trademark disputes when a company owns a trademark and another company tries to register a similar trademark for the same product type (in this case it's computer games). That by itself isn't necessarily enough to pursue trademark infringement (unless you're Tim Langdell), you also have to establish a case for similarity. With "The Elder Scrolls" and "Scrolls" the similarities should be apparent to anyone who has actually looked up the two games. They're both fantasy themed and they both appear to have RPG-like elements to them. That right there is enough to establish trademark infringement for most legal courts, so Bethesda does have a fairly decent case. And again, as stated at the start of this paragraph, if Bethesda didn't take any legal action to this threat to their trademark, it could cause them to lose "The Elder Scrolls" later on.

*Please note that when I say that "Scrolls" and "The Elder Scrolls" have notable similarities, I'm talking about the kind of similarities that will determine the outcome of the case in court. Obviously "Scrolls" and "The Elder Scrolls" are two very different games and have few actual gameplay similarities. As gamers, we all know that, but we're talking about trademark similarities with a court of law, not a court of gamers. Tim Langdell got away with his whole "Edge" trademark trolling with far less, he didn't even have an argument for similarities other than they were games.*

Furthermore, it's important to consider that trademark disputes are not rare, in fact, they're fairly common. Although it must be admitted that most trademark disputes are not revealed to the public (or gather much media attention), much less announced on Twitter. Besides the Tim Langdell cases and this one, how many trademark disputes has anyone actually heard about? Not many, I'd gather. What is rather unique about this case is that it's actually going to court, as usually the two parties in a trademark dispute settle matters outside of the courtroom.

And, if you're still having doubts about the legitimacy of Bethesda's case, here's a quote from a legal expert interviewed by Wired.com last month.

" Attorney and game industry analyst Mark Methenitis told Wired.com that the publisher was just doing what any prudent trademark holder would normally do.

"The basic question here is whether the two trademarks are likely to be confused," Methenitis said in an e-mail. "There's a pretty well-established test for this under U.S. trademark law, and based on those factors, Bethesda has a reasonable argument." "

Source: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/08/minecraft-bethesda-lawsuit/

Finally, before you jump to take Notch's side in this issue, you should know the specifics of his "Scrolls" trademark. I took the liberty of looking it up on the Electronic Trademark Database and it's pretty surprising. It's not just a trademark on computer-games. Notch's trademark for the word "Scrolls" includes clothing (of all types, including t-shirts), hardware platforms, boardgames, toys, hand-helds, and traditional card games. This means that Bethesda's case against Mojang may not be the last court battle Notch will have to face over this, as his trademark clearly violates the trademarks of other companies (such as the Scrolls Clothing Company, which owns the trademark of "Scrolls" for t-shirts). The sheer broadness of Notch's "Scrolls" trademark is rather astounding, as most companies specify one thing for a trademark and make additional trademark registrations for additional products (for example, Bethesda has 6 separate trademarks on "The Elder Scrolls", covering everything from clothing to their forums, but each trademark covers only one thing). I imagine this is usually done in order to avoid large-scale trademark infringements.

Furthermore, just because you make a game doesn't mean you have to register a trademark for it! The vast majority of indie games DO NOT have trademarks! It's not a legal requirement in the slightest, and Notch could keep the name of his game as "Scrolls" if he dropped the trademark. Heck, I imagine there wouldn't be much of a legal issue if he had trademarked a full title like "Scrolls: The Card Game" or anything a little more complicated than just "Scrolls".

If you're interested in doing a bit of research on this subject, I encourage you to look up the trademarks that are involved. You can find Notch's trademark (and pretty much every other trademark ever registered) at this website: http://tess2.uspto.gov/
 

Kanatatsu

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It has been pointed out before, but I'll do it again: Bethesda is doing this, not "the lawyers". Bethesda tells their lawyers what to do, not the other way around.

The lawyers would probably tell them this is horseshit if they felt they could without losing their client.