Honestly? I think the Wii had a better launch line up than the Kinect. Mainly because there was a major game included (Twilight Princess) in the mix. Kinect has... Sonic Riders?
Molyneux: Don't Judge Kinect by its Launch Titles
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I'm pretty sure launch titles are exactly how you're supposed to judge a console. I know Kinect isn't a console but you know what I mean.
I'm sorry but I simply can't believe a word from Molyneux without a LARGE heap of salt. Even though I admire his child-like optimism...this over-hyping of his MUST stop.
Also, what else are we supposed to judge something like Kinect without looking at the damn launch titles?
Also, what else are we supposed to judge something like Kinect without looking at the damn launch titles?
This guy seems pretty optimistic, but what he means is that they're going to make the sequels to all our favorite game series on Kinect. Unless the developers say no, which most will. Here's some examples:
Id Software: "Doom 4 on Kinect? No thank you. We've kinda already talked about our dismay for motion controls, so It's funny you're asking. Please go away."
Ubisoft: "Um, no. No, not at all."
Activision: "HELL NO! GTFO!"
Konami: "They failed us once, they'll fail us again."
2K: "Are you stupid or something?"
EA: "What Konami said."
Valve: "We're so sorry, but we don't really want to have HL2:EP3 on Kinect! Gee, we're really sorry guys! Here, have some free copies of our games!"
Peter Molyneux: "HECK YEAH!"
Id Software: "Doom 4 on Kinect? No thank you. We've kinda already talked about our dismay for motion controls, so It's funny you're asking. Please go away."
Ubisoft: "Um, no. No, not at all."
Activision: "HELL NO! GTFO!"
Konami: "They failed us once, they'll fail us again."
2K: "Are you stupid or something?"
EA: "What Konami said."
Valve: "We're so sorry, but we don't really want to have HL2:EP3 on Kinect! Gee, we're really sorry guys! Here, have some free copies of our games!"
Peter Molyneux: "HECK YEAH!"
Like WHAT, Peter?
Show us something. Anything! That's what Launch Titles are ideally for: proving to the consumer that the product is worthwhile, giving us all a taste of what we have to look forward to. You keep talking about all these possibilities, but you haven't got a thing to show us and just officially withdrew Kinect support from your next game! If you've got this grand vision of the Kinect resonating with all audiences, SHOW US SOMETHING. Give us an example! Tell us HOW it's going to do that for us! Show us these thoughts! You're a game designer. A WORLD-FAMOUS, VETERAN GAME DESIGNER. You're supposed to be an expert in communicating and collaborating these ideas with programmers and artists! COMMUNICATE. That's all I want you to do!
Show us something. Anything! That's what Launch Titles are ideally for: proving to the consumer that the product is worthwhile, giving us all a taste of what we have to look forward to. You keep talking about all these possibilities, but you haven't got a thing to show us and just officially withdrew Kinect support from your next game! If you've got this grand vision of the Kinect resonating with all audiences, SHOW US SOMETHING. Give us an example! Tell us HOW it's going to do that for us! Show us these thoughts! You're a game designer. A WORLD-FAMOUS, VETERAN GAME DESIGNER. You're supposed to be an expert in communicating and collaborating these ideas with programmers and artists! COMMUNICATE. That's all I want you to do!
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The issue being, look at how badly the PS3's launch hurt it long term. Don't forget, up till the PS3, Sony had dominated most major console markets for, what? A decade? Straight? That's a huge drop, and it happened chiefly due to a poor launch library, being overpriced, and not hitting the right note with their key demographics to convince them to make the jump. In short, many of the same flaws Kinect faces now.Baby Tea said:
In blunt reality, Microsoft should have had at least one significantly hardcore-friendly title available at launch. The lack of one gives the first impression that it's not what 360's core demographics expect. And first impressions count, especially in the games industry... one bad early preview, one bad demo, and your average game goes the way of the dodo in sales.
Now, that said, I think he's absolutely right. The tech here? Invaluable, new, unique, interesting. I want to see where it can go from here, but for it to go anywhere, it HAS to make Microsoft money. Period. If it's not selling, then people won't make games for it, and it'll die on the vine.
Realistically, it's helping Sony more than anything this holiday season. Those gamers looking for the hardcore experience who are either coming off the Wii and looking to expand, or those core 360 users who might feel burned by the Kinect, could end up helping Sony's Move establish a foothold and attract more games to be produced for it. Time will tell, especially since Sony seems to be taking a lax approach to marketing the Move, but Microsoft isn't helping its case any by having the games their core audience could be attracted to come sometime in the vague, indeterminate future.
I agree to some extent. The problem is that, as a peripheral, I don't see Kinect really having that much time. It's nearly a given that "better" games will come once developers have more familiarity with the interface, but unless Kinect hits big to begin with I'm doubting that developers will be given the time that they need. Once Kinect is no longer the cool device to play new games with (assuming it's ever perceived as that) then it's just going to be another add-on, and almost no one buys an add on for just one game no matter how hardcore they are.
To be honest, that'd be the single reason I'd even buy a Kinect.Maze1125 said:
OT: I'm prepared to agree with Mr. Molyneux, simply because as some people have stated it won't be the first new 'medium' to have a poor first showing.
We have no idea if games will get better for it in the future.
But yeah, give me Black & White 3 for Kinect and I'll happily throw money at it...
Don't judge me...
The thing is, these kind of statements aren't giving "core" gamers any reason to buy at launch.
But then again we've seen this cycle many times before. The early adopters will buy whatever shiny new toy because it's shiny and new, and it's the second-generation games that really start to shine (because of the extra time to learn the new hardware). I suppose it makes sense to save the AAA materials for that second wave, but that again means that there's precious little reason for most people to buy into the hardware - until later, if at all.
The people who really lose out of all of this are the people who buy it, try it out once, get bored, and put it in a closet (which seems not uncommon with the Wii) - and there's even an upside since they have it in their homes in case something they want comes out (I'll bet this happened with New Super Mario Wii). So this would be their target launch audience, I guess.
But then again we've seen this cycle many times before. The early adopters will buy whatever shiny new toy because it's shiny and new, and it's the second-generation games that really start to shine (because of the extra time to learn the new hardware). I suppose it makes sense to save the AAA materials for that second wave, but that again means that there's precious little reason for most people to buy into the hardware - until later, if at all.
The people who really lose out of all of this are the people who buy it, try it out once, get bored, and put it in a closet (which seems not uncommon with the Wii) - and there's even an upside since they have it in their homes in case something they want comes out (I'll bet this happened with New Super Mario Wii). So this would be their target launch audience, I guess.
That shot Dr. Pepper right up my nose. Bastard!Hopeless Bastard said:
OT: We're also judging it by the the absolutely [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v01bm9iLtAI&feature=player_embedded] awful [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3lhpVp3LLA&feature=player_embedded] handling of the Kinect by marketing. Or the cost [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101535-150-Price-Tag-for-Kinect-Confirmed] being half the price of the 360 itself [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101335-E3-2010-Xbox-360-Slim-Announced-Shipping-Today]! So don't worry, Molyneux, there are plenty of other, perfectly legitimate reasons the majority of us are more [http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/07/kinect-vs-move-which-tech-excites-our-readers-more.ars] than [http://polldaddy.com/poll/3442277/?view=results] skeptical [http://www.avforums.com/forums/xbox-360/1292968-poll-you-buying-kinect.html].
True, there weren't many launch titles.maxben said:
However, one other thing to take into consideration is how most games didn't have any clue what to do with the touchscreen. Sure, some games made good use of it. But a lot of them just tried to wedge it in there, and it often ended up being a distraction.
I remember one game in particular: Magical Starsign. There were at least three buttons that did nothing, and you HAD to use the touchscreen to open the menu. And to navigate the menu. For no apparent reason.
D'aw, Peter is so adorable :3
He's like a small optimistic and joyful child, living in his own world, and you'd just feel cruel to burst his bubble and bring him back down to earth, so you play along with this schemes and games and gives him a reassuring pat on the forehead.
Not saying it's about this particular statement, just Peter in general.
He's like a small optimistic and joyful child, living in his own world, and you'd just feel cruel to burst his bubble and bring him back down to earth, so you play along with this schemes and games and gives him a reassuring pat on the forehead.
Not saying it's about this particular statement, just Peter in general.