Most evil person in history?

[spartan231490]

Also, that doesn't address the firebombing of many German cities. While the German's also pushed the war, they were no direct risk to American civilians in any numbers, so I can't really justify American's bombing the fuck out of German civilians. Admittedly, that's how war was fought back then, both sides did, and a whole lot of innocent people died, but that doesn't make it right.

I seriously doubt that the inhabitants of Hiroshima were a direct risk to American civilians at that point of the war either.

My point was that Japan had shown itself willing to attack US cities and military bases, and therefore the Japanese side of the war was the most dangerous for american civilians and needed to be ended as quickly as possible. Germany had pretty much contented itself to attacking Europe, so America really had no business in being so vicious.

 

[MacChris1991]

The most evil men/women in earths history are the ones who thought of, implemented and then the following;
-slavery
-rape
-discrimination
-war

and the people who attempted to justify these using the following;
-race
-sex
-age
-religion
-money( or the promise of)
-fear/superstition

What blows me away is that at some point no matter what you believe, there wa a point in time when none of these things existed, someone had to be first.

 

[rutger5000]

Sorry I have to go for popes here. No offence to current popes and catholics, but the old ones were sadistic powerhunger greedy bastards. In my opinion they did unreversable damage to the world. Otherwise I'll have to go to Stalin, but I doubt his influence will remain longer then 200 or 300 years. No wait Mao Zedong is probably worst destroying most of an over 3000 year old culture, and killing milliones in the process.
Hitler definitely was an awefull guy, but he doesn't make my top ten. He was a product of his environment, Germany was ill treaded, people were hungry and poor and I doubt the jews were up to sharing their jobs and above else he was a raving lunatic. As horrible as it may sound I can not see him as one of the most evil persons ever existed.

Sorry, but apart from some pretty sick things you said ("I doubt the jews were up to sharing their jobs"? Really? Can't we throw some clichee of stealing polacks in there,while we are at it?) how were Stalin and Mao not products of their enironment? If I am not totally mistaken, there were some reasons for the revolutions in Question.

OT: Apart from the obvious choices, I'll vote for the Spanish Inquisition guys.

Well now that kind of logic is rightfully disgusted, back then it wasn't that wierd.
And I seriously think that a lot of potentiel employees back then were jews, but that they would hire as much jews as they could. Therefore hiring little or non German people. Imagine not being able to feed your family, but seeing your neighboor get a nice job from a jew because he is a jew. Of course you'll get pissed. Now I'm not saying this practice from the jews was wrong or not understandable (Heck I'd likely would have done the same), or that they deserved to be punished for it. But if you accept the darker side of humanity you understand were the Germans anger and hate came from. And people only need so little reason to hate.
And I'm not stating Stalin and Mao as products of their environment for two reasons, 1 I simpely have to little knowledge about them to make even just an assumption, 2 they twisted and destroyed what I believe could be the roots of a great ideology and they did great damage to their culture.
But I've to admit I find it incredibly difficult to apply morals at a world wide picture, I myself always try to go for a case by case senario. Saying which sadistic bastard was more evil then the other is quiet hard for me. I gave Hitler a lower spot because I don't think he is responsible for as much permanent damage as many others, and because I can see where his anger came from. Am I saying his anger and hate towards the jews were justified? Of course not. No reason could ever justify hatred against the innocent. But from other mass murderers I don't even see a reason where they hate and anger came from.
As a final argument I'll give some historical facts, ask about them to anyone who knows about European history:
1. Germany was treaded unfairly after WW1 and charged with an ridiculous ransom to pay to other nations (Mostly France). 2. A great deal of valuable land was taken from Germany, making it even harder to pay of the debt. 3. After the great depression Germany was basically bankrupt, it would likely decend to a third world country. 4. Hitlers plans and actions averded this fate from Germany and send out a message that other nations needed to hear (Namely don't fuck with is because of WW1). 5. Hitlers plans of war required money, jews had money which they rightfully didn't just want to give away. 6. The easiest thing for Hitler to do was to just take the jews money, they were an easy victim.
This is what I meant that Hitler was a product of his environment, that in no way justifies his deeds. But it does put him lower on the list of most evil persons to me, I completely understand that you don't agree. But that's how I feel.
And before you ask. No I'm not a racist, no I have no problems with jews and yes I'm a brute.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Hitler, surely. I mean, he wasn't that evil, he was justthat guy that, y'know,
started fucking World War II

 

[rutger5000]

Whoever made the Bible. That book got alot of people killed.

Probably not as many as communism.

Ugh if you're wanting to start a thread about communism please refer to the one that already exists.
But in short: The actual ideals of communism didn't cause any of those deaths, it was the power-hungry assholes who distorted and corrupted the ideals of communism that caused those deaths.

The ideals of communism ALWAYS lead down the same road. They go against human nature, thus humans resist. When they do, the strongman arises in the name of "the people". It's really amazing how many millions of people have been killed by socialist leaders in the name of "the people". More amazing still is socialism's disciples just carry on, preaching the glory of toiling tirelessly with no hope of improving your life.

That is true communism is impossible, as noble as the ideals are communism cant happen because by nature people only care about themselves and possibly the person they intend to mate with and even that is a maybe.
Although this strongman thing is kinda of an odd idea, Lenin motivated people through his eloquent words that gave people hope. Not through an imposing nature. Also you can't really argue against revolutionary leaders acting for the name of the people, democracy in america started in the name of the people, and even the horrible politicians today claim their decisions are "for the people"

Lenin wasn't a "strongman" in the traditional sense, because he was one of the founders of the revolution. The Soviet Union was founded out of the ashes of a corrupt monarchy. I never said Every single leader of communist nations is evil, I said every communist GOVERNMENT eventually resorts to evil, because as the years go by the strongman becomes the only way to force people to submit to a system that can't keep any of it's promises.

Also, no, my post was not copied and pasted. I attempted to preemptively destroy and disable your ammunition stockpiles *wink*. I love debate, and I also hate communism. I've therefore had this discussion a thousand times. My apologies if not everything I said was directly applicable to your particular viewpoints. I was arguing against communism in theory, not merely it's representative in front of me.

I'd like you to think about this. Why do the words "self interest" put a bad taste in your mouth? Do you think humanity has more to offer the universe than ants? Personally, I do. I doubt there would be much art or creativity in a world where the dominant species was hive minded, and worked only for the betterment of the whole. I am not saying that as humans we shouldn't care about humanity. I am saying that as humans we should be free to live, create, and provide for whomever we choose to provide for. For me, it is my wife, my two children, and then myself, in that order. Beyond that, I give to charity, and I help those I can within my social circle.

I pay taxes specifically for the government to provide what services they are obligated to provide as per the 18 enumerated powers of the constitution. Congress has no authority beyond that, and any taxes collected towards execution of authority beyond that, I consider stolen. The constitution isn't some dusty outdated guideline. It is the foundation of all law in this country, and has the force of law itself. Any law created in contradiction to the guidelines of our constitution is invalid. There is a process by which our constitution can be amended if that is necessary. Such was the case with the abolition of slavery, and the granting of universal sufferage. If you and those like you feel that our constitution is lacking, then feel free to add to it in the manner laid down by law. Neither you nor your avatars in government however have the authority in any way to simply ignore it. This is a nation of laws, not the whims of men.

Sometimes, I get on a roll, so.... just keep in mind, I'm talking to everybody. It's a group discussion. I realize that you may not even be an American, and even if you were, that we weren't talking about the constitution. Like I said, I get going, and I bring it all to the table. hehe

plus..... its really late.....

Every communist government to date has resorted to violence or suppression to keep the people down but my main point is that these governments were never truly communist, rather they hid their totalitarian nature behind a facade of supposed communism, I try not to try to convince people to be communist considering that I myself am not communist because I know that true communism is impossible, I actually support modern socialism like that in countries like Finland.

I also love debate it's so much fun but only when the person whom your debating has roughly the same understanding of the topic that you do. Over time a lot of people I've known have all these presumptions about communism that simply aren't true. These presumptions originated from all the American propaganda that our parents were taught to believe and were then passed onto us. So I myself have had tons discussions regarding the topic but none have come anywhere as in depth as this wonderful conversation I've had with you and the other guy from the first few posts. Of course when it comes down to it for me I just absolutely hate misinformation, nothing annoys me more than that, I get just as passionate when someone says like for instance that Linux or programming is pointless (yes I've actually had that conversation).

Well when it comes to self interest, the reason that that makes me so upset is that all my life I've been taught to put others needs ahead of my own, when I think back to how selfish I was as a child I am completely disgusted every time I think of how my selfishness may have hurt others I almost want to cry. However I'm not against people acting outside of some hivemindish thing, look at Leon Theremin he experimented and created one of the most interesting musical instruments ever, he did this in the Soviet Union, see just because people need to act for the benefit of others doesn't mean that they aren't free to try new thing and innovate.

Actually I do happen to be American, but for me that never seems to matter on the internet. I love the internet because of how little governments have intervened in it so far I don't take into consideration anything laid out in the laws and rules of whatever country someone is from because in my estimation it's just someone on the internet sharing their ideas. I think this free flow of information and ideas makes the internet a wonderful thing despite all the horrible things here.

yeah it is getting a bit late, but this has been an excellent conversation so far thanks so much

Just wanted to make one little comment about what RandomNameRandom said. Every communistic nation has resulted to violence and supression. They simpely need to, humans need either punishment or reward to undergo certain behaviour. For some people the reward simpely can be the satisfaction you get from a job well done, but those people are rare. So most people need a salery that reflects on how well they done, that or they need to be punished. That's when violence comes into play. I'm a sociolist myself, but for communisme to succeed it'll need a reward system.

 

[eezaak]

The threads OP.

 

[BinkyStalls]

the people who invented religion, soooooo many deaths for nothing and of course Adolf

 

[brainslurper]

Because more people have died in jesus's name then any other human in recorded history, then im going to have to go with him. Yes jesus, you are the most evil person in history.

 

[brainslurper]

Also the one dude from king kong and splice with the droopy face and the big nose. I fucking hate him.

 

[brainslurper]

And also commander shepard. He is such a dick. 3 posts now..

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Rupert Murdock anyone?

 

[Freethinker101]

Looking at the past Hitler wasn't as evil, he was a con artist, I will say what he did was seemly stupid and reckless considering the genocide's left in his wake, but enough about theory and discovery channel.
In Simple retrospect, any oil company (BP:British Petroleum/Petro) or water company (Culligan). They control the worlds most needed resources. Though in truth if the electric car patten was removed life would be easier. These are the main evil company's around the world.

 

[AvsJoe]

Geoff from accounting. Everything he does is an attempt to cause chaos in the world. He is destructive and manipulating and would fit right in with the characters from Fight Club. If he only aspired to be a more powerful person, he would be more infamous as one of history's most evil.

 

[Calbeck]

Stalin.

Anyone who's actually bothered to study Russian history would know that it's not JUST the body count with this guy, but what he did to create a political terror machine that makes Orwell's "1984" seem downright pleasant by comparison. No surprise that Orwell's other very popular work, "Animal Farm", is a barely-veiled excoriation of how the Soviet Union was made and maintained.

I've no doubt, without even reading this thread, that someone will have put "George W. Bush", "Big Oil", or just "America" up without even thinking...because "four legs good, two legs bad" is the mode they're stuck in. But you could put ALL of those purported evils together, and give face credibility to every single plot and wrong they're supposed to have committed --- and it wouldn't hold a candle to what Stalin's actually known to have done.

Did Bush put ten million people into slave-labor camps for not adhering to his party's line? No? Stalin did.

You folks don't know about Soviet Big Oil at Ploesti and Baku, and how their ideas of labor, safety and pollution controls --- none --- made the American "robber barons" of the 1800s look positively humanitarian.

You don't remember the crackdowns on Islam which so many FEARED Bush would do --- but which Stalin actually DID. Mosques were closed or turned into warehouses throughout Central Asia. Religious leaders were persecuted, religious schools were closed down.

You don't care that Stalin did worse to Muslims (often classified as "enemies of workers") than America did to the indigenous tribes...there were deportations of entire nationalities and organized migrations in opposite directions to refill "ethnically cleansed" territories. Of the Crimean Tatars alone, 30,000 died by starvation and neglect during forced recolonization...the Cherokee "Trail of Tears", largely considered the worst American atrocity ever committed, claimed some 4,000.

Your worst nightmares of what Bush, Big Oil, and America never were --- Josef Stalin was.

 

[Iron Lightning]

Can't be determined, evil is in the eye of the beholder. Adolf Hitler is both the most righteous man in history and the most evil.

 

[Demonicdan]

Hitler, he invented the beetle.

 

[Eddy-16]

Can't be determined, evil is in the eye of the beholder. Adolf Hitler is both the most righteous man in history and the most evil.

Damn Ninja, pretty much took the words straight out of my mouth.

 

[Von Heix]

I love the internet because of how little governments have intervened in it so far I don't take into consideration anything laid out in the laws and rules of whatever country someone is from because in my estimation it's just someone on the internet sharing their ideas. I think this free flow of information and ideas makes the internet a wonderful thing despite all the horrible things here.

yeah it is getting a bit late, but this has been an excellent conversation so far thanks so much

I have to say I very much enjoyed your debate with the others about what ideals communism actually represented and how it eventually got twisted for self-serving dictators.

However, I despise how people like Travis Hiquet (to give an example) happily demonize ideals like socialism/communism/capitalism/Fascism without looking at the concepts unfiltered. I actually blame America media bullsh*t for stigmatizing and taking Stalinism/Fascism as a defining precedent for socialist economies.

We Americans are world renown for not knowning sh*t about politics and some of us actually take pride in that. A disease commonly called "anti-intellectualism that can be best described as a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

You RandomNameRandom are the exception to the rule. And for that I salute you.

Irregardless, we Americans are deserving of all the world's hatred, justifiably so.

 

[Von Heix]

To answer OP:

Single most detrimental human being to humanity?

Would say... every politician/ruler to have ever existed since the birth of civilization. Why? Because we pretty much screwed ourselves the moment we got away from the whole hunter-gatherer thing.

This planet will live 2 billion years more till the sun blows, we humans? Make an educated guess...?

 

[Dasrufken]

Rupert murdoch for creating the worst entertainment show ever to call itself a news service...