Most impossible fan base to please?

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holy_secret

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MetalDooley said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Any fanboy of any fan base. Ever.


A lot of fans are self entitled, whiney bitches, and are only ever satisfied if a sequal ends up being exactly like it's predecessor.
Skyward Sword - Waaa the graphics aren't realistic enough
But it's true!!! I hate the new graphics why couldn't they've kept the old one from twilight princess?
?*feels the staring* What? Im just sayin...oh crap.
I'm one of them, right?

I don't understand the problem people have with ffxiii. It's an amazing game. The combat system is incredibly well made and the characters are so deep and subtle that it fools almost everyone into believing they're superficial.
Hello people! That's the point! There's a reason why vanille, snow and hope are like they are. Try going through a major loss without wearing a mask.
But I still hate snow. I turn the console off every time he calleth himself a hero.

But man. Final fantasy fans. Just be happy :)
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Any fanboy of any fan base. Ever.


A lot of fans are self entitled, whiney bitches, and are only ever satisfied if a sequal ends up being exactly like it's predecessor. Just looks at the whole DA2 mess.

The game is more streamlined.

"Nuhuh! It's dumbed down for the console tards!"

Character archetypes are not as important, so it's not as necessary to always have a 2 mage 1 tank set up, the same level of tactics is still required at higher levels.

"Nuhuh! It's just easier!"

The dialogue wheel streamlines conversation, making a more fun engaging conversation system.

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! DRAGON EFFECT 2! WAAAAAAAAH!"

I could do this all day...
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, DON'T PLAY IT!

"Waah, I want my money back!"

RESEARCH FIRST THEN!

I'm not going to defend DA 2's faults, but I like the game enough that they don't bother me.

Also, any MMO fans are impossible to please.
 

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People who don't actually compare the game they are dissapointed with with the game they value as being superior, rather they just insult the new game because they still focus on the 'Good ol memories' of the old one while they play said new game, thus not paying attention to any improvements.

I like ME2 for example, the story is just as good and in terms of improvements the loading screens are far better than the elevators. The planet probing, albeit as Yahtzee said being equivalent to "MWWWWAAAAEEEH" is still far better than those f**king vehicle sections.

The only issue really (sorry for spamming yahtzee quotes but he was pretty dead on with ME2) is that every fight can be predicted by the sudden appearence of 40 chest high walls. Others however complain about the new reloading system, why? The old one basically said 'Go ahead and shoot all that doth move, for you shall not lose thy ammo' whereas the new system said 'Be more accurate and tactical with your weapon choices or get ready for a 29 husk participant Royal Rumble match'.

I can't wait to see what bulls**t trolls come up with when they realise Rockstar weren't joking about LA Noire being F all like GTA.
 

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Any fanbase, really. There will always be people whining, bitching and complaining about every single aspect of a sequel, hell even new IPs. I'm starting to sympathize with Yahtzee's idea to ban all sequels/prequels.
 

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People seem to treat a fanbase as if it's some vast monolithic entity where everyone within it has a vast monolithic opinion, and thus, people should be surprised when a portion of it is unhappy. Given the vast amount of arguing that occurs within fandom, I'm astonished how anyone could come to such a conclusion in the first place.

A fanbase is a collection of highly opinionated individuals. Some of them like different things from others. Thus, it's perfectly reasonable for, say, a group of fans to complain about Oblivion being different from Morrowind when they fixed certain problems. The people complaining about one thing are not necessarily the same as people complaining about the opposite.
 

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Russian_Assassin said:
Any fanbase, really. There will always be people whining, bitching and complaining about every single aspect of a sequel, hell even new IPs. I'm starting to sympathize with Yahtzee's idea to ban all sequels/prequels.
Pretty much. And by fan, include fans of any medium-- books and music are hardly immune, for example. There's this odd point at which someone turns from a fan "Wow, I really like this artist's/company's stuff" to "I own this series". Now, smart artist types encourage this sort of participatory feeling: for one, feedback is always a good thing. But if the artist dare defy expectations, the dysfunctional fan has this feeling of betrayal. Why didn't that artist do exactly what they wanted?

It rather misses a central tenent of creativity, which is to defy expectations. Sadly, the temptation to just give in and listen to the more strident members of the fanbase is strong (for fiscal reasons if nothing else), which is why we see series that haven't changed at all for ten releases straight, or 50 year old musicians playing the stuff they wrote when they were their kids' age.
 

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Not what I thought this topic was going to be about from the title, I was going to say that CoD fans are the worst, because if you don't quick scope, you will get hate mail. Shit tons of it. (I do knife-only, jesus fuck do people hate me)

OT: Pretty much every fan boy in every fan base, they complain about everything. The worst part is, everyone is a fan boy about something.
 

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Almost all of the ones for major games are near impossible to satisfy, but I have to vote for the WoW community, mostly because Ive had the misfortune of reading the games forums for a good two years while I played.

It truly is a chilling experience. So. Much. Bitching.
 

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DigitalAtlas said:
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Also, while I disagree on both points of Half life and mass effect, fine, lets assume for a second that you do indeed have to try to get into them. There's a difference between 2 hours or so, and TWENTYFIVE TO THIRTY.
I would like to point out that even fans of the game say it takes about four to six hours. Heck, some people like it from the beginning, hate it, then end up loving it again which isn't exactly a bad thing. I mean, I can think of parts in most Zelda games that I don't care too much for and their loved by almost everyone.

My point is, a slow start isn't reason for dismissal. If it was really twenty to thirty hours, I'd concur. Completely. That's too much. But it takes about six hours for each disc when you're taking it slow, and the game starts to gain interest right before disc two. It's during disc two where I can honestly say it wowed me. And I expected to despise this game being a die-hard fan of JRPGS such as FFIX, Xenogears, Lost Odyssey and the Tales franchise.

People in reviews aren't exaggerating when they say it gets really great twenty hours in. Twenty hours in is about the time you put in disc three and the world become wide open where the player gets access to complete free-roam, missions, and even goals to work towards. Once there, you realize that the whole game had been prepping the player for that part in general, so that they wouldn't have to master the battle system whilst trying to get lost, nor would they have to worry about setting up the story in a free-roam environment. It was actually a smart development choice that tried to satisfy both fans of the linear FFX and the nonlinear FFXII. It's just that the game requires commitment.

Also, I agree with you about HL2 and ME. However, I let friends borrow those games and it took a lot of effort for them because, unlike us, they don't play a lot of games. Thus, I was speaking purely from past experience.
Now I will quote yahtzee. You realize that a game getting good 20 hours in is not a point in its favor right? And unless all of horrible characters (Which includes every single one except the guy with the chocobo in his hair.) get jettisoned from the game, and the game actually starts to explain anything without handing you multiple fucking pages to read so it doesn't have to have well written exposition to explain things.

Also, please tell where exactly all these fans of half life 2 that say that it takes nearly 6 hours to get good. I don't think a 96 on metacritic, and a 9.3 user score really signifies a game being mediocre for half of it. It sounds like your just speaking of your own experience with the game, and speaking it as though it is the opinion of a majority.

I agree with you that a slow start does not mean a game should be dismissed. I thought kotor had a slow start and it turned into one of my favorite games. The point is that that was only an hour or two. That is a 'start' to the game. That is not half the game being slow, repetitive, and overall abysmal like FF13 is.

Finally, a game shouldn't require commitment. It should pull you in and make you want to keep playing it, without you having to consciously force yourself to. This is something that FF13 cannot do, because at the end of the day, it did nothing right. The only thing it did well was look good.
 

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Sonic. The. Hedgehog. This fan base will never take anything. Sonic Unleashed comes out, everyone loves the running, but cries bloody murder on werehog. Sonic and the Black Knight, love the running, but WHY DOES HE HAVE A SWORD! Sega All Stars Racing, they complain about him being in a car. And finally Sonic Four, in which people made it the devil, not because it was looking to be a meh rehash sold in parts, but because he was skinny with green eyes. Oh, and then there's teh civil wars between Sonic's voice actor, literally, go on a Sonic board and say you like Ryan Drummand.

Now, alot of this can be blamed on Sonic Team, and some of these complaints have some validity, but I still put this as the hardest fan base to please, except MAYBE tranformers.
 

GeorgW

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All of them.
But SSB probably has to be the worst one. Since it's nothing but fanservice for one of the biggest fanbases in gaming, it's no surprise either.
Also, while FF has a really bad fanbase, I still say they're somewhat justified.
 

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MMO gamers. (I am one, before anyone eats me)

Seriously, go look at any major MMO forum.

Maybe focus on the class forums?

SO MUCH WHINING.

"We're underpowered, we can't 2 shot XX class"

"This guy killed me, I has better gearz, nerf his class!"

"OMG I GOT KILLED, NERF DUNGEON NOAW"

It's so insane...
 

Archemetis

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drbarno said:
the sonic fanbase, they complain about everything that happens in the games,
In fairness to the fans, it'd help if the SEGA and Sonic Team even knew what they were doing...

Although saying this, I don't dispute that Sonic fans are nothing if not a bunch of whiny sacks.

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OT:personally I'm of the belief that every fan base is impossible to please...

Mostly because if a games company or any form of entertainment for that matter started listening to everything every fan wanted, you'd end up with an overcomplicated mess.

Or worse, a game contained in the story of thousands of people's fan-fiction...

no one wants that.

It's probably why it's a better world for the games industry that some people just stay angry that no one is listening to them.