Kefka Palazzo. Noble general turned omnicidal maniac clown due to imperfect Magitek infusion technology. Not the most tragic villain, but pretty high up there.
Most Tragic Villain
- Thread starter Outcast107
- Start date
Recommended Videos
He's not the most tragic, but definately somewhat tragic. Read some of the posts from before about him if you haven't already. lunnical and I discuss if whether Ryan was a dick from the beginning or just became that way. And he didn't rape anyone, but he did strangle his baby's momma to death.AperioContra said:
I don't know if he's so tragic. Yeah, he wanted to help but in his naive, idealistic and foolish way, Buddy nearly gets himself killed "trying" to help. And in the end, he causes Mr. Incredible to lose the bad guy.Angryranter101 said:
Perhaps it might have been fair if Mr. Incredible could have taken the time to let the boy know just how much danger he'd put himself in and that is unfortunate. But yeah... I'm not seeing the tragic.
But you can't believe what Alan Moore writes as his back story, because what he has the Joker say in one of the panelsLono Shrugged said:
Definately Kerrigan. I'm with you on that one.Leemaster777 said:Lots of good ones so far, but here's one no one's posted yet: Kerrigan, from Starcraft.
I mean, think about it, she spent the first half of her life being experimented on, and after that, she was betrayed by pretty much EVERYONE she trusted, left to die on a planet being overrun by alien nightmares.
And the cherry on top? She DOESN'T die, but instead BECOMES one of said nightmares.
If that isn't tragic, I don't know what is.
King Oedipus, by Sophocles. His own father was going to have him murdered (after pinning his feet together, literally) to stop a prophecy, which of course guaranteed the prophecy's fulfillment. Oedipus then grew up, and *unknowingly* killed his own father, got with his own mother, and became a powerful and successful king... until he discovered that he killed his own father, and married his own mother, etc. He was so screwed up after that he poked his own eyes out with a broach pin >.< Pretty much the definition of tragic imo.
This may be a bit obscure since I will be referenceing a childrens book series (shut up I still enjoy reading it) COunt Olaf from a series of unfortunent events, even though he is evil it is clear people have done bad things too him. Though the series leaves so much to the imagination with its lack of details and hints at possible subplots between charecters you can see it a number of different ways.
Understand, meant the rape thing as a joke toward Ayn Rand (whom Ryan was based off of), who in all of he stories generally had a rape-y feel to them. I do agree with you though, that Andrew Ryan, though misguided was tragic. But the element of his own avarice and heartlessness kind of dampened the tragedy. Hid tragedy was ironic tragedy at best, most certainly doesn't make the most tragic villain.
I was gonna say Porky but I got ninja'd.
So my second one would be the antagonist in the new Bastion. Can't really spoil it, but you'll know when you find out.
So my second one would be the antagonist in the new Bastion. Can't really spoil it, but you'll know when you find out.
Yeah, Rand's kind of weird that way. I always felt awkward reading the romance parts in her books.AperioContra said:
Definitely agree with you on the second point there.
Beat me to it: I've been reading Retribution which goes into some detail about what goes on when Reaper implants overtake an organic host. Saren was always a dick (read Revelation: he's a dick) but to be trapped inside of your own mind while your every action is undertaken by a foreign invader while all you can do is watch and feel the pain? That's gotta be hell. It must have taken a shitload of willpower for Saren to be talked into shooting himself. (sorry about the spoiler but the game is a few years old at this point: also he was the bad guy so it's easy to come to the conclusion that he dies.)Monkestful said:
most tragic villain?
A website a while ago mentioned the kid (I think his name was Wander?) from Shadows of the Colossus.
I mean didn't the kid make a Faustian pact with some demon to murder a bunch of harmless monsters (remember, all of those Colossi were pretty much doing their own thing, mindin their own business until that little bastard started stabbing at them) in order to release it from its prison and bring his woman back from the dead. So murdering the harmless golems and whatnot he does, getting more and more corrupted with every kill, until he becomes full demon and gets resealed by the priests and ends up cutting off his woman from ever leaving that land.
Sure he comes back as a child with horns and his horse didn't actually die and his girl did come back from the dead, but still, he becomes damned and has his identity destroyed for this one woman that had no guarentee of working.
I just figure he's a villain because he does the equivalent of those cults and crazy folks that think if they kill 13 people under the full moon or something they'll gain immortality or bring their child back from the dead.
A website a while ago mentioned the kid (I think his name was Wander?) from Shadows of the Colossus.
I mean didn't the kid make a Faustian pact with some demon to murder a bunch of harmless monsters (remember, all of those Colossi were pretty much doing their own thing, mindin their own business until that little bastard started stabbing at them) in order to release it from its prison and bring his woman back from the dead. So murdering the harmless golems and whatnot he does, getting more and more corrupted with every kill, until he becomes full demon and gets resealed by the priests and ends up cutting off his woman from ever leaving that land.
Sure he comes back as a child with horns and his horse didn't actually die and his girl did come back from the dead, but still, he becomes damned and has his identity destroyed for this one woman that had no guarentee of working.
I just figure he's a villain because he does the equivalent of those cults and crazy folks that think if they kill 13 people under the full moon or something they'll gain immortality or bring their child back from the dead.
Magneto. He was ripped away from his mother just when he was a boy from Nazi's and grew up in a concentration camp. I don't know the details within that but that sounds pretty freaking sad. All he wants is to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to mutants. At any means necessary.
Hansel and Gretel, the Romanian twins from Black Lagoon.
Now, nobody in Black Lagoon is really "hero" material, and you could drop most of them into a different story and make them villains with very little alteration, but Hansel and Gretel (who are maybe 12 at most) do some especially horrific things, and it just isn't their fault. They didn't choose to be raised in an overcrowded orphanage, run by sadists and pedophiles who forced them to perform in pornographic snuff films. They didn't choose to have all of the social responses a normal child learns replaced with either "fuck" or "kill". Their monstrous actions are simply how they were raised: the appropriate response to danger is to kill it, the appropriate way to display gratitude is to lift up your skirt.
They're sick, they're frightening, they're incredibly sad.
captcha: Jacobian ociniss? Either a villain's name or the rare medical disorder which indirectly drives him to crime.
Now, nobody in Black Lagoon is really "hero" material, and you could drop most of them into a different story and make them villains with very little alteration, but Hansel and Gretel (who are maybe 12 at most) do some especially horrific things, and it just isn't their fault. They didn't choose to be raised in an overcrowded orphanage, run by sadists and pedophiles who forced them to perform in pornographic snuff films. They didn't choose to have all of the social responses a normal child learns replaced with either "fuck" or "kill". Their monstrous actions are simply how they were raised: the appropriate response to danger is to kill it, the appropriate way to display gratitude is to lift up your skirt.
They're sick, they're frightening, they're incredibly sad.
captcha: Jacobian ociniss? Either a villain's name or the rare medical disorder which indirectly drives him to crime.
Magneto (Though not technically a villain these days, at least in the comic medium). He has a back story you can sympathize with: Family murdered in the Holocaust, able to move past that somewhat, then his daughter is murdered and his wife flees in terror from his mutant abilities, only to die after giving birth to two (Possibly three depending on what they want to do with Polaris) children he doesn't even know about until their adults. Finds a kindred spirit in Xavier, only for their differing philosophies to tear them apart. He believes mutants have to rule because he doesn't want them to go through what he went through, but he doesn't see that his action make him out to be like the very enemies he so despised. I have to admit, though, my favorite Magneto stories are the ones where he seeks redemption, not as a power mad terrorist bent on world domination. Despite what he thinks, he's only human. One of the most interesting and complex characters in the history of comics.
