Mother Finds Kidnapped Children On Facebook
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There's a lot we have to look at here, what was the father like? What was the mother like?IHaveNoCoolness said:
The father took the children illegally, so obviously he cared enough for the kids to want them for his own. The kids had access to a computer, which means he at least supplied for the children.
How much effort did the mother put into the search originally? Was there even a search? The information we have so far is that she did a curiosity check on facebook and to her surprise there they were.
What was the reason for the split? Did things just not work? Or was there more too it?
Legally? Yeah justice has been served, but everything mentioned above is the gray area that the justice doesn't listen too.
Seems to me the whole act on the mother's behalf was on a personal level against the father and the kids were just a bonus for her.
I'm sure there is alot more to this story. How do we know the mother wasn't a raving psycho? They mostly rule on the side of the mother, just because she is their mother. Not because its in the best interest of the child. Time will tell on this one.
The father could have taken them out of spite. But if that were the case I see things having been far more horrible for the kids. I mean come on. Under lock and key if he realized he was being a cruel evil monster keeping a woman from her kids.
And then the whole, "Kept up the search for 15 years." She did what I assume most of us have done with ex-girlfriends, old-friends, and the occasional acquaintance. How the hell can anyone warp and twist that into holding the torch for 15 years?
If they were on facebook, they were either A) Supplied with a computer or B) Able to go to a library. Which means they weren't holed up in a basement, given false names, and told never to speak to anyone.
So they had a life. She ripped the father away. (Which is arguably justifiable. He committed a crime. No sense in leaving him free on account of him having kids. We don't do that for say... Murderers.) But instead of picking up her life and moving to be where her kids are already immersed. She yanks them to where she is.
That's pretty much just one thing. Selfish. Going just off the facts Justice seemed to hit the wrong side of morality this time around.
And then the whole, "Kept up the search for 15 years." She did what I assume most of us have done with ex-girlfriends, old-friends, and the occasional acquaintance. How the hell can anyone warp and twist that into holding the torch for 15 years?
If they were on facebook, they were either A) Supplied with a computer or B) Able to go to a library. Which means they weren't holed up in a basement, given false names, and told never to speak to anyone.
So they had a life. She ripped the father away. (Which is arguably justifiable. He committed a crime. No sense in leaving him free on account of him having kids. We don't do that for say... Murderers.) But instead of picking up her life and moving to be where her kids are already immersed. She yanks them to where she is.
That's pretty much just one thing. Selfish. Going just off the facts Justice seemed to hit the wrong side of morality this time around.
The funny thing here is, if a woman does the exact same thing, it's okay. If a man does it, it's kidnapping. Great sexist double standard that continues to live on in our judicial system, and another fine example of how the law caters to women in cases of rights to yer child.dududf said:
"I found my kids! Now they can plough my fields!"
Their is far to little infomation in this article to decide wether it is a good thing or not, as said before, there is always a bias in these stories as its always the man who is painted as the bad guy, even if the kids were being raised in a needle infested house by their smack addicted mother and he saved them and took them somwhere safe.
Their is far to little infomation in this article to decide wether it is a good thing or not, as said before, there is always a bias in these stories as its always the man who is painted as the bad guy, even if the kids were being raised in a needle infested house by their smack addicted mother and he saved them and took them somwhere safe.
A lot of people have had a response similar to this one, so I would just like to clarify something: Faustino Kidnapped a 3 year old girl and a 2 year old boy.Nukey said:
The mother of these two children has been forced to live for 15 years in the hell that only the mother of a missing child can know. The boy and girl in question were forced to grow up not only away from their actual mother, but with a man who was capable of kidnapping children.
Whatever the fathers reasons, let's not lose perspective. Imagine if you found out that your parents were actually a pair of criminals, deranged people who stole you from your actual parents? Than imagine that you found out. Would you seriously not be, I don't know, a little terrified, disgusted or generally appalled?
Of course there is the question: Was there something wrong with the mother? was Faustino acting in their best interests? While there is a (very) small amount of creditability in such a claim, The actual likelihood of the father being anything more then criminally selfish is incredibly low. After all, this is not a movie, it's a real thing that happened.
So as far as breaking up a family? No. The idea of family was already shattered, and then pissed on, my Mr. Utera. Whatever semblance of "family" those children grew up with, it was a fake one, a mask over their true history and constructed by a dangerous criminal.
So, as far as my input? Faustino Utera belongs in prison, and the mother deserves the peace of mind of knowing her two children to be safe. If only Facebook could have also given them their 15 years back.
Any father who kidnaps his kids from their own mother is probably not worth bonding with. He sounds crazy.cainx10a said:
I love forums, it's just so entertaining.
"How do we know the mother isn't a psychopath?"
Good point, how do we know she isn't freaking Mary Poppins?
"She broke up their family, the kids have no idea who she is and probably don't care!"
Right, so that invalidates the fact that the mother was completely deprived of the joy of raising, let alone even knowing, her children? At this point she should have said "oh well, it doesn't matter now"?
Christ people, nothing is ever a positive anymore, is it?
"How do we know the mother isn't a psychopath?"
Good point, how do we know she isn't freaking Mary Poppins?
"She broke up their family, the kids have no idea who she is and probably don't care!"
Right, so that invalidates the fact that the mother was completely deprived of the joy of raising, let alone even knowing, her children? At this point she should have said "oh well, it doesn't matter now"?
Christ people, nothing is ever a positive anymore, is it?
well it had been 15 years...any average person wouldn't think to stop there kids from facebook im sure.Sir Kemper said:
In the words of Colonel Mustang: "Well. I can't say I expected that to happen."
That is quite amazing.
That is quite amazing.
Fifteen years ago...
Keep in mind, she hasn't raised a kid in fifteen years.
If it takes someone that long to locate their own damn kids, they don't deserve to keep them.
Ignorance is bliss, eh?Liquid Paradox said:
I'm pretty sure these kids were content with their life, and even if it was "fake", it was probably better than whatever they're being forced into now. I'm not sure you've ever moved from one place to another, but do you know how hard it is to start all over in home? Now, add the fact that the dad they knew their entire life is being replaced by a woman they've never even heard of before, doesn't that sound hard?
We don't know enough about their personal situation to judge them, the father could be count doom taking her offspring from her as the last jest and leaving slight clues everywhere she went to torment her for eternity while cackling as his children listen from chains. The mother could be an absolute witch planning to use her children for manual labour in her own personal business and the father is a knight in shining armour saving the children from an eternity of damnation. Could be they are both average folks and the mother was going to give the father a restraining order from his kids and never let him see them again after the divorce.IHaveNoCoolness said:
There are too many variables placed here to judge these people.
Now the question becomes is that a good or bad thing.Jaredin said:
Don't like that phrase very much but the idea of quoting Mustang makes me smile.Georgie_Leech said:
Actually I wouldn't be so quick as to call this a truth, we don't know enough for it to be so. Like I said, she could have just tried for a while, tried every now and again, got heartbroken for the other while, then went on Facebook and found her kid and said she was "looking" for the full 15 years.scifidownbeat said:
OT: Like I said before there is no real way to know if this was morally correct due to not knowing the family (I wouldn't trust the story even if they said the father was a saint, stories like these can be turned into whatever they want them to be) so I will just mark this as a weird turn of events. Again I would almost suspicion the mother tried to look for her kids for a while, gave up defeated, went on facebook one day and happened to find them, told news that her "crusade" finally bore fruit and she found the kids!
*Shrug* Who knows.