I love the way the story has been told with a tongue-in-cheek edge to it. Though, I imagine this is really hard on the kids & the dad - the kids will probably feel confused about where their loyalties lie.
Mother Finds Kidnapped Children On Facebook
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So you're saying that we should ignore the written laws just because? You know, the laws are there for a reason. He did a crime and now he shall suffer the consequenses of his action. That is the most basic ruleChipperz said:
I'm just about to, despite this article.uppitycracker said:
They recently updated the privacy settings, now about half your content can be seen by literally anyone.
So yeah, I might go and delete my account while Gorillaz music downloads.
It's quite amazing how many people are making assumptions about this situation, and with such little information that was given on this article. Look, we don't know the mother, the father, the children, or their living conditions when the parents lived together or after the father had kidnapped the children.
Here's what I have to say about it, stop making assumptions, I read so many replies about the gray areas about these events, the only gray areas you see are the ones you are making up yourselves. I don't have any clue whether living with the father or the mother will be better for the children, the things I do know are this; The father kidnapped two children from their mother and for that he should face consequences for his actions, another is that a parent has basic rights to know his/her children, as do children have the basic rights to know their parents.
In this scenario, the father took those rights from both the children and the mother, and therefor is facing justice. Is this for the better? I don't know, only time will tell, but I wish them all the best.
Here's what I have to say about it, stop making assumptions, I read so many replies about the gray areas about these events, the only gray areas you see are the ones you are making up yourselves. I don't have any clue whether living with the father or the mother will be better for the children, the things I do know are this; The father kidnapped two children from their mother and for that he should face consequences for his actions, another is that a parent has basic rights to know his/her children, as do children have the basic rights to know their parents.
In this scenario, the father took those rights from both the children and the mother, and therefor is facing justice. Is this for the better? I don't know, only time will tell, but I wish them all the best.
although it is a extremely happy story and well done to the mother and her persistence, it is very likely going to be very difficult for them to settle together, 15 years apart is a long time, and anytime the kids have a row with their mother they will use excuses like well you wernt there with me for 15 years so why should i listen to you etc. but i hope it works out.
This is what worries me. You don't remember much from when you're 2 or 3 years old. And they probably grew up without problems of the whole thing. And then one day you just put all those 15 years in the trash and have to redo the whole story.FactualSquirrel said:
It's like one day you suddenly realise you're adopted and you have to move in with your biological parents that you've never known. (and your "parents" go to jail)
Exactly my thoughts. The details are really sketchy, but who's to say she wasn't some crazy ***** and the dad ran away with the kids because he feared for their safety. Something reeks here, and I think it's that the dad is rotting in prison now away from the kids he probably loved.FactualSquirrel said:
Laws dont always have morality, or true justice in mind, take the slave laws or Muslim law, or Chinese suppression law or Hitler's laws, the law of the land is not always right my friendShycte said:
Those kids have lived with thier father for years, I doubt they would just say "So I was kidnapped? Well fuck me, off to jail with you then!" unless he was a douche of course (I guess considering he kidnapped them, its likely he is a douche)
You think it hurt you?FactualSquirrel said:
Anyway, it's a gimmick serving a worthwhile cause. Like that time when google maps was used to find another kidnapee
Exactly - Now I would like to throw in a C, how the fuck is this classified as kidnapping? 15 years with their father, being cared for with lives of freedom then this ***** comes in after what is nothing more than "googling" her kids on the offchance. IF she really cared, if this really was a kidnapping then -infinity_turtles said:
A - It would not of taken 15 years, at most it would of taken 15 days.
B - The kids would not of co-operated with the father
C - The rest of the family would not of co-operated with the father
D - Facebook would of been a big No-No for the kids.
E - SHE WOULD NOT OF FOUND THEM USING VIA FACEBOOK AFTER 15 YEARS!
I have read stories of stalkers and rapists who have shown more passion to hunting their victims than this supposed mother does for wanting her kids back. She is out of order, the state is out of order, the whole system is out of order and now the father has a court order.
Grats on ruining the kids lives you *****, Congratulations. Facebook once again used as a tool to shit on people by one massive arsehole.
These are the key posts I was referencing at the time of my post.Danilo Morales said:
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Mostly calling the mom a *****. Plus a lot of conjecture as to what kind of parent each was. Many cite "not enough info" but go ahead and supply "info" to paint either the father as Jesus Christ himself, or the mother as a raving lunatic.johnman said:
What we know; Father kidnaps, Mother discovers, father jailed (you know, for kidnapping), mother and children reunited. Also note the mother had several conversations with the daughter prior to, which would indicate that the daughter was at least not put off by her.
The father had to have lied to these kids about their past. He was destined, if ever found, to go to jail for kidnapping. In taking them like that, he might have realized that the mother could find them eventually, and "shatter their world" by wanting to be a part of their lives (something he had deprived her of). All of the things that set up this situation are the father's doing.
I'm all for "shades of grey", so long as there is something concrete on which base the shading, rather than straight out of someone's ass conjecture.
We're not supplying info. We're looking at this from an objective point of view. We supply our thoughts as to why this could potentially not be a very good thing, we're not putting them out as fact, but we merely want some more info on what the parents are like.Nuke_em_05 said:
To all that say we don't have enough information - the father kidnapped the children. Collecting the kids and disappearing is not what I'd call moral. If the mother was a raving lunatic and a danger to the children, that could have been settled in a court of law. The mother, and Facebook of course, have served as a tool of justice in this case.
By the way, I love how the article made it seem like the Farmville gifts were part of a secret code. This is Apple Tree - Do you have the Topiary? Roger that.
By the way, I love how the article made it seem like the Farmville gifts were part of a secret code. This is Apple Tree - Do you have the Topiary? Roger that.
yeah, the kids probably didn't even remember mom and forming a real parent/child relationship will be difficult at best
but, imo it seems like a better idea than leaving them with the kidnapping father who could be:
1. a good guy and parent who felt cheated by the system
2. an asshat that felt cheated by the system and didn't want to pay child support
3. an abusive alcoholic that the kids wanted to get away from anyway, again he probably felt cheated by the system
4.a half crazed person who believes the world is out to get him and he must protect his children from skynet
and kidnapping and hiding kids for 15 years is an unlikely action of the regular guy who would most likely prefer a less felonious/name changing approach
but, imo it seems like a better idea than leaving them with the kidnapping father who could be:
1. a good guy and parent who felt cheated by the system
2. an asshat that felt cheated by the system and didn't want to pay child support
3. an abusive alcoholic that the kids wanted to get away from anyway, again he probably felt cheated by the system
4.a half crazed person who believes the world is out to get him and he must protect his children from skynet
and kidnapping and hiding kids for 15 years is an unlikely action of the regular guy who would most likely prefer a less felonious/name changing approach
Call it what you want, it is still speculation. You didn't go so far as to supply an opinion based on your speculation, which is where the bulk of my intention was aimed. For all we know, this whole story was a fabrication by Mark Elliot Zuckerberg. Unless you happen to live in the area or have an "in" with the news media, this is all you have, which is a complete story in itself; father kidnaps, mother finds, father jailed, kids reunited. It isn't necessary to speculate on that story unless you're trying to propagate this whole "no faith in humanity" trend (of which a father kidnapping children already does a good enough job on its own).Irridium said:
The only fairly well defined "bad" is that it is assuredly very hard on the kids. In kidnapping and lying to them, the father set up the potential for their "world to be shattered". Even if he wasn't arrested and they weren't taken away, such a revelation would be a pretty big pill for the kids to swallow.
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The article doesn't provide enough information.
For all we care, that mother could be a total ***** and her ex-husband 'kidnapped" the kids because he cared about them and because the legal system is extremely biased towards men in these issues. The woman almost always gets the custody, WTF.