Agreed with you pretty much 100%. Movie Bob did kinda help with the poisoning this community in recent years. Extra Credits went kinda the same direction after they left the Escapist and wound up insulting their audience for disagreeing with them on a their definition of what makes a game. They made an entire video pretty much shaming their audience for daring to criticism them.Mythandrevelry said:snip
The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.Silvanus said:Could I get a quote?Strazdas said:While that is true for the subhuman quote, he often rants about "gamers" as a whole on twitter.
Whenever this has been said, it's always turned out to be some instance of him saying something else, related to a specific subset of people or something, and people have just filled in the rest themselves.
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I think I've clarified enough times that I'm not in the business of defending what he did say. I'm just tired of seeing it twisted into something it's not: an attack on us all, on gamers, a personal insult to everybody here. No, that just feeds a certain narrative.faefrost said:The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.
And we keep telling you it does not matter who he specifically was or was not directing his comments to, The twitter bombs were in every definition "unprofessional". and reflected poorly on both himself and his employer. The specific nuances of them do not matter.Silvanus said:I think I've clarified enough times that I'm not in the business of defending what he did say. I'm just tired of seeing it twisted into something it's not: an attack on us all, on gamers, a personal insult to everybody here. No, that just feeds a certain narrative.faefrost said:The problem really isn't context. It was the gross un professionalism of it all. "No boss you are taking what I said out of context. I did'nt say ALL of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. I only said SOME of our customers are subhuman terrorist rapists. Those ones up in arms? I didn't mean them. They're reading it wrong." Try running that past your employer and see what his or her opinion is. You are allowed to have an opinion. You are not penalized for having such. But voicing it through a megaphone damages your work product and your employers business, regardless of context or validity. The professional knows enough to shut up and just stay off Twitter.
Well, at a time when pretty much the rest of the Escapist's content creators and staff were being very hands-off with the whole Gamergate mess, MovieBob, while not generally bringing it here, jumped in with both feet on Twitter, and said a lot of really vile and inflammatory things.DRDP said:Can someone explain why MovieBob is terrible? In list form preferably.
They matter to me, hence why I disputed them. I'm not going to ignore wilful inaccuracy when it suits people (and particularly when it suites a certain narrative).faefrost said:And we keep telling you it does not matter who he specifically was or was not directing his comments to, The twitter bombs were in every definition "unprofessional". and reflected poorly on both himself and his employer. The specific nuances of them do not matter.
It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern worldMorifen said:So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
This is what's known on the internet as "backpedaling."faeshadow said:Were you really expecting those exact words? That's a bit dishonest. You should know better.TaboriHK said:Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
His audience on The Escapist were largely gamers. Go see what he says about gamers.
The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.The Bucket said:It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern worldMorifen said:So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
First, we don't speak into a vacuum. Different situations will place different demands on speech. All of our rights, speech included, are balanced against all the rights of those we can affect in the excercise of those rights. Speech and expression, though sacred in the U.S., are not immune to context or consequence.Morifen said:The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.The Bucket said:It doesnt look like he was fired for that, in my opinion at least. But his account was tied to his videos and content, it was linked on everything he put out (Not to mention it was straight up called the Moviebob). And sorry you haven't run into this before, but you totally can be straight up fired for how you conduct yourself on social media from most companies, its why so many of them are instituting guidelines about it as part of their contracts and giving training on it. That's the modern worldMorifen said:So I just looked up Twitter. 230 million users. Over 7 billion people in the world. Why does anyone give a shit about what anyone says on some little site like that? It like getting fired for a conversation you are having with your friends at a bar. Has nothing to do with work, people should be entitled to say whatever they want outside of their job.
Ummm... Yeah.Morifen said:The modern world needs to change then, at least in the US. We are supposed to be a country of people sharing their ideas from all kinds of backgrounds, one of the reasons we have freedom of speech. It is going to be pretty hard to maintain a culture that is supposed to value opinions from different backgrounds when expressing those opinions can get you fired from your job. This reminds me of the McCarthy witchhunt of communists, but with a rotating wheel of who it is targeting, dependent on the whims of whoever happens to be executives of a company at that point in time.