Oh man, you just reminded me of the straw that broke the camel's back for me when it came to having any respect for the man. When he went on a two episode rant about how if you don't like Sucker Punch, you just "didn't get it".Ralancian said:I don't really have a complaint about The Big Picture he said from the start it was about expressing himself on anything he wanted and it was exactly that. Sometimes I agreed (Sucker Punch)
You don't have to go that far. I managed to find the "lay down with dogs" and "no bad tactics" tweets with a simple google image search. They were the first couple things that came up when you searched "Bob Chipman tweets"faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
Vault101 said:...extremist?...really?
Here's my definition of "extremist": a person that says the ends justify the means.McMarbles said:Define "extremist". I find that a lot of people who use that word don't know what it means. Like "corruption" and "ethics".
It's funny you say that because one his major things that drive me mad is about snooty other critics not realising he's one himself.faeshadow said:Oh man, you just reminded me of the straw that broke the camel's back for me when it came to having any respect for the man. When he went on a two episode rant about how if you don't like Sucker Punch, you just "didn't get it".Ralancian said:I don't really have a complaint about The Big Picture he said from the start it was about expressing himself on anything he wanted and it was exactly that. Sometimes I agreed (Sucker Punch)
That was one of his more mild moments of insulting his audience, but it was one of the more pretentious and self-righteous ones. Yes, whatever you say, Bob. If we didn't like Sucker Punch, we just don't get "real" art.
Two quick points. One, Bob wasn't fired; you can only fire an employee, and generally the term firing suggests some cause. In Bob's case, he was an independent contractor with whom we had production contracts. We terminated the contracts as part of our 2015 restructuring. I clarify this because (a) legal gets mad at me when I'm sloppy with language and (b) I don't want to allow an impression to stand that he had been fired for a cause other then our 2015 strategic restructure. That said, you are correct that when a corporation terminates relationships or lets people go, it generally is constrained it what it can and ought say.IceForce said:I think the main difference with Susan, Jim, etc, is that they all resigned their positions and stood down themselves. They left of their own accord, in other words. So it was prudent for The Escapist to write a 'farewell' article/thread in those cases.firmicute said:I do think its a bit low that nobody of the staff seemed to care enough to write a figgin Article about his firing.. I mean jim got one, Susan too (if I remeber correctly) but even after this thread is like 19 pages long, teh team seems to take the-sorry-lazy or easy route out and just use this thread.
Thats not a fine thing to do, serious. For me it puts the staff of the escapist in a bad light, because it seem that they do favor certain people and seem to be happy to have other people gone-and for 4 days dont even try to make the effort of doing a goodbye posting or some official statement like "hes gone, he did fine work here, we wish him the best, kthxbye"
In Bob's case however, as far as we can tell, he didn't leave of his own accord. He was fired.
Hardly seems right for the site management to fire someone, and then do a big write-up on how much they'll be missed.
While it was once the case that website talent and YouTuber stars were dismally compensated, this is no longer the case! Some of the top video stars earn 6 figures and the very top earn 7 figures+.* However it is very much a power-scale distribution. The very top (Pewdiepie, etc.) make a huge amount, the next 10% make a good living, the next 20% an average living, and the lower 60% make very little.Vault101 said:it still blows my mind a bit Jim could earn 10k a month...I always imagine these people scraping by on say 30k at bestKazeAizen said:snip
obviously there's probably expenses and/or he wouldn't get all of it,(not to mention the pratron system is not exactly rock solid) but still
and I'm not complaining, I'm sure some people would get their panties in a twist over "silly internet people" making that amount, but if people want to pay for what you do then great! plus lets be honest in this business people rarely make what theyre worth
Plus Jim's done the rounds...why shouldn't he earn as much a s a seasoned professional?
Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
Were you really expecting those exact words? That's a bit dishonest. You should know better.TaboriHK said:Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
And bob himself is a gamer. If you know you're not a rapist are you really going to get your panties in a bunch over a stupid comment? I mean honestly I can't fathom how your minds work when you get so upset over something that you know doesn't describe you.faeshadow said:Were you really expecting those exact words? That's a bit dishonest. You should know better.TaboriHK said:Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
His audience on The Escapist were largely gamers. Go see what he says about gamers.
How do I know that? He doesn't make any distinctions. Neither did the SVU episode he claimed was "spot on".DugMachine said:And bob himself is a gamer. If you know you're not a rapist are you really going to get your panties in a bunch over a stupid comment? I mean honestly I can't fathom how your minds work when you get so upset over something that you know doesn't describe you.faeshadow said:Were you really expecting those exact words? That's a bit dishonest. You should know better.TaboriHK said:Yeah, I don't see anything that says "most of my audience is rapists."faeshadow said:Disbelieve all you like. Go look at his comments after the airing of that L&O SVU episode.TaboriHK said:As I said, I don't care what anyone says on twitter. It's twitter. Also, I don't believe you for one second.faeshadow said:There is a huge difference between disagreeing with your audience, and saying that most of your audience are rapists.
His audience on The Escapist were largely gamers. Go see what he says about gamers.
Must it be written in plain English or can you just not understand when someone says "All ____ers are ____" they aren't necessarily talking about you personally? Clearly movie bob isn't calling himself a rapist nor subhuman.faeshadow said:How do I know that? He doesn't make any distinctions. Neither did the SVU episode he claimed was "spot on".
Uh, no, he did nothing of the sort. He called all of us (as in, the 99.999% by the lower end of estimates) who are neither trolls, nor harassers, nor doxxers or anything of the like 'acceptable targets'.DugMachine said:I've never really seen these so called inflammatory remarks on twitter... Gamer Gate is seriously not that big of a deal.. He calls out the ones who send death/rape threats to women in the name of "ethics". If that doesn't describe you then why let it bother you so much?
And why does this upset you? According to you you aren't a troll, harasser or doxxer. What is the issue? He said gamers, is he not a gamer?Zontar said:Uh, no, he did nothing of the sort. He called all of us (as in, the 99.999% by the lower end of estimates) who are neither trolls, nor harassers, nor doxxers or anything of the like 'acceptable targets'.
If his twitter account wasn't a factor in his getting canned, I would be shocked, because in any other industry he'd have been sent to the door 4 months ago. Hell, in other parts of this industry he'd have gotten it 4 months ago. He had it coming, and in his own words he 'reaped what he sowed'.