Musical Demo Submission thread

BonsaiK

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dlsevern said:
No, my musical knowledge is very limited, that basically looks like greek to me, lol. Thanks anyway.
You absolutely need to understand the strumming concept. Bad strumming + Eddie Vedder voice = no music career, ever, it's that simple. I'll attempt to re-explain as simply as I can.

This is a downstrum. V

This is an upstrum. A

This is a ghost strum. -

Now, let's watch a video.


At 0:39 the guitarist is doing this: V - V - V - V -

(notice how after every downstroke there's a ghost upstroke where he brings his hand up in preparation for the next downstroke - this is important)

At 0:51 he changes to this: V A V A V A V A

At 2:41 he's doing this: V A V A - A V A

In between everything he explains exactly what a ghost strum is so watch all that stuff too.

Now the strumming pattern in your song starts off being performed like this:

V - V A - A V A

This pattern is repeated six times, and then at the end the guitarist sounds like he's doing all downs: V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V (that's 16 downstrokes).

However, when you do two downstrokes in a row, you have to move your hand up in order to get to the next down, so to do all downstrokes at the same speed as alternating down/upstrokes, you need to move your hand twice as fast. So what he's really doing at that point is this: V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-

This change of speed is throwing him out of time a little.

To rectify this, your guitarist can move his hand twice as fast all the time. Later on he slips into something which sounds a little bit like that, when he starts adding little baby strums into the main pattern, and the correct way to do it would be like this:

V---V-V---V-V-VA

...or something like it (he changes the pattern a little sometimes). However because the arm motion isn't consistent, it's coming out sounding more like this:

V - V A - V-V-VA

I've spaced it to show the arm speeding up and slowing down, which I assume is happening, because it certainly sounds like it.

Bad rhythms guitarists can't regulate their hand movement and it's this hand movement that will throw them out of time. Good rhythm guitarists, their right hand is like a fucking machine, it it literally what's keeping them in time.


Watch from 0:28 and pay attention to the picking hand only (pay no attention to what he's talking about, it has no relevance to what I'm trying to communicate, or to your music). The guy is doing some very off-beat syncopated stuff, yet no matter what happens, or how complicated the part gets, his right hand moves at one constant speed - always. He just moves it at the maximum speed that he knows he's going to need for the entire part. If he just sped up for the fast bits he'd throw his whole shit out and it wouldn't be funky anymore, he'd lose the feel completely of what he's trying to do.

Not all rhythm guitar works like this - in heavy metal they do something different for example - but most of it does, and the style you're doing must be done this way. Watch this:


I chose Justin because he's the Escapist's favourite singer (just going by the amount of threads that mention him it's clear we all have a Justin obsession), now look at that guy's strumming hand, it's constant. The kid innately understands rhythm. He's not thinking or looking at his hand, he's focusing on singing, the hand is just there to make the guitar make a noise and to keep him in time. That's a textbook example of how to do it right.

By now you should know exactly what I'm talking about. If not, and your goal is to be successful with your music, you have two choices - get a music teacher who can explain this shit better than I can over the Internet, or give up. I'm half-tempted to do a video just to show you this concept more clearly than text and other people's Youtubes can but I value my anonymity too much so too bad, and I normally get paid to teach anyway, so get a teacher if you feel you need one. Good luck. (I guess this post is really directed at your bro, but every musician who plays an instrument with a pick can use this information.)
 

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Haha, I'd love to avail of this kind of service except

a) I don't have any vocals/vocalist.

b) I haven't actually recorded anything in ages, since I don't have any access to home recording stuff anymore, and now it's all on guitar pro, and

C)The old stuff sucks. Hard.

Anyways, if I ever do get my act together, I'll be in touch. :p
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
BonsaiK said:
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Hey, these are good. I don't understand the gaming references because I don't play the game in question, but I really don't think you need this thread's help. Just keep doing what you're doing, and maybe try and get it published in some kind of way that you can make money out of it.

Also, play live.
Cheers :)

(thinks about starting to gig again)
If you ever need a second guitarist/bassist, I can totally do that. ;)
 

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dlsevern said:
No, my musical knowledge is very limited, that basically looks like greek to me, lol. Thanks anyway.
You absolutely need to understand the strumming concept. Bad strumming + Eddie Vedder voice = no music career, ever, it's that simple. I'll attempt to re-explain as simply as I can.

This is a downstrum. V

This is an upstrum. A

This is a ghost strum. -

Now, let's watch a video.


At 0:39 the guitarist is doing this: V - V - V - V -

(notice how after every downstroke there's a ghost upstroke where he brings his hand up in preparation for the next downstroke - this is important)

At 0:51 he changes to this: V A V A V A V A

At 2:41 he's doing this: V A V A - A V A

In between everything he explains exactly what a ghost strum is so watch all that stuff too.

Now the strumming pattern in your song starts off being performed like this:

V - V A - A V A

This pattern is repeated six times, and then at the end the guitarist sounds like he's doing all downs: V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V (that's 16 downstrokes).

However, when you do two downstrokes in a row, you have to move your hand up in order to get to the next down, so to do all downstrokes at the same speed as alternating down/upstrokes, you need to move your hand twice as fast. So what he's really doing at that point is this: V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-V-

This change of speed is throwing him out of time a little.

To rectify this, your guitarist can move his hand twice as fast all the time. Later on he slips into something which sounds a little bit like that, when he starts adding little baby strums into the main pattern, and the correct way to do it would be like this:

V---V-V---V-V-VA

...or something like it (he changes the pattern a little sometimes). However because the arm motion isn't consistent, it's coming out sounding more like this:

V - V A - V-V-VA

I've spaced it to show the arm speeding up and slowing down, which I assume is happening, because it certainly sounds like it.

Bad rhythms guitarists can't regulate their hand movement and it's this hand movement that will throw them out of time. Good rhythm guitarists, their right hand is like a fucking machine, it it literally what's keeping them in time.


Watch from 0:28 and pay attention to the picking hand only (pay no attention to what he's talking about, it has no relevance to what I'm trying to communicate, or to your music). The guy is doing some very off-beat syncopated stuff, yet no matter what happens, or how complicated the part gets, his right hand moves at one constant speed - always. He just moves it at the maximum speed that he knows he's going to need for the entire part. If he just sped up for the fast bits he'd throw his whole shit out and it wouldn't be funky anymore, he'd lose the feel completely of what he's trying to do.

Not all rhythm guitar works like this - in heavy metal they do something different for example - but most of it does, and the style you're doing must be done this way. Watch this:


I chose Justin because he's the Escapist's favourite singer (just going by the amount of threads that mention him it's clear we all have a Justin obsession), now look at that guy's strumming hand, it's constant. The kid innately understands rhythm. He's not thinking or looking at his hand, he's focusing on singing, the hand is just there to make the guitar make a noise and to keep him in time. That's a textbook example of how to do it right.

By now you should know exactly what I'm talking about. If not, and your goal is to be successful with your music, you have two choices - get a music teacher who can explain this shit better than I can over the Internet, or give up. I'm half-tempted to do a video just to show you this concept more clearly than text and other people's Youtubes can but I value my anonymity too much so too bad, and I normally get paid to teach anyway, so get a teacher if you feel you need one. Good luck. (I guess this post is really directed at your bro, but every musician who plays an instrument with a pick can use this information.)
Thanks you, that helps a ton.
 

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BonsaiK, first of all, I admire your patience and thoroughness with everyone's demos.
I've recently finished an EP, which i've been getting some good feedback on, and was wondering what you think.
The genre is electronic, i'm never quite sure how to specify further. I suppose my closest big-name inspiration is Flying Lotus.

I'm sorry this isn't a YouTube link, but i was hoping you could give some feedback on the overall package of the EP?

http://desimal.bandcamp.com/

Thanks.
Ok, i've set up a youtube channel now, so i'll link you to that instead:
http://www.youtube.com/user/desimalmusic
 

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mharvey10 said:
mharvey10 said:
BonsaiK, first of all, I admire your patience and thoroughness with everyone's demos.
I've recently finished an EP, which i've been getting some good feedback on, and was wondering what you think.
The genre is electronic, i'm never quite sure how to specify further. I suppose my closest big-name inspiration is Flying Lotus.

I'm sorry this isn't a YouTube link, but i was hoping you could give some feedback on the overall package of the EP?

http://desimal.bandcamp.com/

Thanks.
Ok, i've set up a youtube channel now, so i'll link you to that instead:
http://www.youtube.com/user/desimalmusic
Following the rules will get you everywhere in this thread. Cheers.

Did you know that you are actually deceased? http://www.rockthedub.com/2006/05/rip-desimal.html - you might want to consider a name change. Or then again, maybe it could work in your favour. There was an Australian band called Nirvana that got a few curiosity sales in the early 1990s thanks to the success of some young upstart Americans with the same name...

Anyway, your stuff is okay. Nothing basically wrong with it, I don't see why an electronica label wouldn't pick it up if they haven't already, I've heard labels put out worse. Probably the only thing I could say that was truly negative as opposed to merely subjective is that there's an audible popping at the start of where some of your samples are triggered, that doesn't sound deliberate, and that kind of rubs against the ambient vibe that you seem to be going for. Maybe smooth some of that stuff out is about all I would suggest.
 

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BonsaiK said:
mharvey10 said:
mharvey10 said:
BonsaiK, first of all, I admire your patience and thoroughness with everyone's demos.
I've recently finished an EP, which i've been getting some good feedback on, and was wondering what you think.
The genre is electronic, i'm never quite sure how to specify further. I suppose my closest big-name inspiration is Flying Lotus.

I'm sorry this isn't a YouTube link, but i was hoping you could give some feedback on the overall package of the EP?

http://desimal.bandcamp.com/

Thanks.
Ok, i've set up a youtube channel now, so i'll link you to that instead:
http://www.youtube.com/user/desimalmusic
Following the rules will get you everywhere in this thread. Cheers.

Did you know that you are actually deceased? http://www.rockthedub.com/2006/05/rip-desimal.html - you might want to consider a name change. Or then again, maybe it could work in your favour. There was an Australian band called Nirvana that got a few curiosity sales in the early 1990s thanks to the success of some young upstart Americans with the same name...

Anyway, your stuff is okay. Nothing basically wrong with it, I don't see why an electronica label wouldn't pick it up if they haven't already, I've heard labels put out worse. Probably the only thing I could say that was truly negative as opposed to merely subjective is that there's an audible popping at the start of where some of your samples are triggered, that doesn't sound deliberate, and that kind of rubs against the ambient vibe that you seem to be going for. Maybe smooth some of that stuff out is about all I would suggest.
I discovered the other Desimal after i'd come up with the name and started putting it out on various sites, i should have looked into it more before i went with it.
Thanks for your comments, i've also noticed the clicks and pops myself but never thought of them as being an issue; I'll definitely pay more attention to them in the future and make sure i fade in and out of all my samples.

Thanks again!
 

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http://www.myspace.com/desinent-river

I recorded a couple vocal demo's, the mic I used sucks (still need to get a proper one) but I think the singing isn't too bad :)
 

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Shivarage said:
http://www.myspace.com/desinent-river

I recorded a couple vocal demo's, the mic I used sucks (still need to get a proper one) but I think the singing isn't too bad :)
Okay, only looking at the vocals here: the good news - you can sing. It's alright. You need to learn control though, you lack pitch control at the extreme ends of your range, especially the low stuff, but in the middle you're doing okay. If I were you, when it comes to writing your own stuff, don't get too ambitious vocally. Sit the stuff right in the middle of the range where you know you can sing it without dramas. Concentrate on singing two or three notes really, really well rather than oversinging it and warbling all over the place. Most pop songs aren't much more than that anyway, and especially with most rock songs you're extremely lucky to get more than three notes. Your voice is good enough to do it, just keep doing it and keep working on it.
 

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Okay, only looking at the vocals here: the good news - you can sing. It's alright. You need to learn control though, you lack pitch control at the extreme ends of your range, especially the low stuff, but in the middle you're doing okay. If I were you, when it comes to writing your own stuff, don't get too ambitious vocally. Sit the stuff right in the middle of the range where you know you can sing it without dramas. Concentrate on singing two or three notes really, really well rather than oversinging it and warbling all over the place. Most pop songs aren't much more than that anyway, and especially with most rock songs you're extremely lucky to get more than three notes. Your voice is good enough to do it, just keep doing it and keep working on it.
Thats great advice, I'll get right on it! ^_^
 

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I've been intrigued by this thread for quite awhile, so I figured it was about time to throw a couple of my songs up for criticism/critique. I haven't really been making music seriously for very long, but I'm comfortable enough with my stuff to get some real feedback now. I don't really have any current plans to do music full time or make an album or anything like that, it's more of just a hobby right now, but anything you have to say about my stuff would be greatly appreciated.

To give you a little info about what music I like to make, I'll just say that I'm really into sampling and I'm always trying to shoot for a "house" vibe with my stuff. So without further ado here's a few songs that I've put together:

Amped-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUxy_gJ-o6s

Diamond-

Admittedly, this is my least favorite of the 3 I'm linking too, but I figured I'd throw it in there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equrok30mEA

Late to the Party-

Now, I know you prefer youtube links, but there's two versions and I'd prefer you listen to the one on my soundcloud since it's slightly improved from the Youtube version, but I'll provide links to both just in case.

http://soundcloud.com/jimtopia/late-to-the-party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7BaYsEV1ak

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Alright, I think that's everything. I'm very interested to see what you'll have to say.
 

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Jimtopia said:
I've been intrigued by this thread for quite awhile, so I figured it was about time to throw a couple of my songs up for criticism/critique. I haven't really been making music seriously for very long, but I'm comfortable enough with my stuff to get some real feedback now. I don't really have any current plans to do music full time or make an album or anything like that, it's more of just a hobby right now, but anything you have to say about my stuff would be greatly appreciated.

To give you a little info about what music I like to make, I'll just say that I'm really into sampling and I'm always trying to shoot for a "house" vibe with my stuff. So without further ado here's a few songs that I've put together:

Amped-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUxy_gJ-o6s

Diamond-

Admittedly, this is my least favorite of the 3 I'm linking too, but I figured I'd throw it in there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equrok30mEA

Late to the Party-

Now, I know you prefer youtube links, but there's two versions and I'd prefer you listen to the one on my soundcloud since it's slightly improved from the Youtube version, but I'll provide links to both just in case.

http://soundcloud.com/jimtopia/late-to-the-party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7BaYsEV1ak

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Alright, I think that's everything. I'm very interested to see what you'll have to say.
You're right - Diamond isn't as good as the other two. Save that one for after you get the mansion and the "rarities" album comes out in ten years.

Sonically, excellent, no issues there at all. Some of your synth melodies sound a little like they were procedurally generated, but they're still workable. The only real weakness in your stuff is that I think you're throwing too many ideas into your songs too quickly. With this sort of dance stuff, it's important to drip-feed your tricks a bit. Think about how this kind of music is typically consumed. You shouldn't be throwing in three or four brand new ideas in the space of a minute - space it out a little more to allow people to get into the groove before you throw them the next new thing. That's about all I can say that's bad about it though, so good stuff overall. Keep doing it and consider sending some to some dance labels.
 

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What do you think of my Band? I've already got the complaint that the timing sucks, and future songs will have better timing.
 

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You're right - Diamond isn't as good as the other two. Save that one for after you get the mansion and the "rarities" album comes out in ten years.

Sonically, excellent, no issues there at all. Some of your synth melodies sound a little like they were procedurally generated, but they're still workable. The only real weakness in your stuff is that I think you're throwing too many ideas into your songs too quickly. With this sort of dance stuff, it's important to drip-feed your tricks a bit. Think about how this kind of music is typically consumed. You shouldn't be throwing in three or four brand new ideas in the space of a minute - space it out a little more to allow people to get into the groove before you throw them the next new thing. That's about all I can say that's bad about it though, so good stuff overall. Keep doing it and consider sending some to some dance labels.
Ha, I'll be sure to put Diamond onto the rarities album.

On-topic, I'll work on making my synths and melodies sound a little more organic, I do put time into them to try and make my songs more catchy, but perhaps I do sacrifice a more natural sound when I do that. I'll also start spreading my tracks out a little differently so I'm not throwing in change after change within the span of a minute. Honestly I think that's just an old habit that I've always done with my music, and I just need to take more time and think about structure a little more as I put a song together.

Perhaps when I've got a few stronger songs under my belt I'll start considering sending a few to some dance labels, but for now I'll just keep on practicing.

Thanks a lot for the feedback.
-Peter
 

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Mr.Mattress said:

What do you think of my Band? I've already got the complaint that the timing sucks, and future songs will have better timing.
Reminds me of The Shaggs.


This thread isn't really about my personal taste, it's about the feasibility of posters' music as a music industry product. The Shaggs didn't do well in that arena, and neither will your stuff without some serious work on just about every aspect of it, but most importantly of all, the timing. Rhythm is the #1 most important aspect of all music, it's more important than melody, harmony, lyrics, ideology, image, or any of that. It also wouldn't hurt for you to get some vocal training, because at the moment your vocals waver in and out of the mix a lot. You don't sound confident when singing, and sounding confident is much more important than hitting the notes correctly. Work on those things first and foremost.
 

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hiya bonz! just wanted to check in with you on a couple tracks, i've got a hiphop track, and a folk/soul kinda vibe (i'm not 100% on that btw..hehe)

Diamond Girl:
[youtube=Mre3X73Hk58
(no idea why this one won't go, maybe it'll work later?.... heres another link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mre3X73Hk58&feature=channel_video_title

Lost Sands of Time:
[youtube=STmRES4C2xs
 

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bigwon" post="18.176391.11297777 said:
hiya bonz! just wanted to check in with you on a couple tracks, i've got a hiphop track, and a folk/soul kinda vibe (i'm not 100% on that btw..hehe)

Diamond Girl:
[youtube=Mre3X73Hk58
(no idea why this one won't go, maybe it'll work later?.... heres another link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mre3X73Hk58&feature=channel_video_title

Lost Sands of Time:
[MEDIA=youtube]STmRES4C2xs[/quote[/MEDIA]

Your link to "Diamond Girl" is missing the final square bracket, that's why it didn't embed properly.

Both of these songs have got some rhythm issues. In Diamond Girl, the rapping in the verses sounds okay in isolation, and the sung chorus is even better in isolation, but put the two together in one song and the result is just a bit off, because, once again, the two separate vocal parts suggest different amounts of swing on the offbeat. The aggressive triplets in the rap doesn't quite work with the heavily swung chorus, they sound like they belong over two different beats. In fact, maybe that's a good idea.

The other song - it sounds like the vocals are "soloing" - ignore the words themselves and just listen to the melody, and it's like a guitar solo. Which is fine for a short vocal break, but if there's one thing we all know about guitar solos it's that a three minute one is boring. Also, same swing issue crops up again - the bass is playing totally square but the drums are swinging. You should be using the bass to emphasise the swinging feel of the song, not confuse it. Or, use a different drumbeat that doesn't swing and play this one completely square. But don't try and do both at once, the result sounds messy, like there's too much going on at once.

Lyrics are getting better though, so that's a plus. A little hard to hear what you say sometimes though. Don't be shy - this is rap music (sort of)! You want what you're saying to cut through and make a bold statement of some type.
 

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thank you! I know I'd never get the same kind of input when bouncing it off of the people i know. i like the idea of having a drum switch on that song...i like that alot!

I think I'll be putting your advice to play when i go back to tweak these, I'm always aiming for a good track flow, and you've definitely given me gems in that regard.
 

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In the same spirit of masochism this thread began its life with, I thought I'd plonk down a few of my tracks and brace for impact.

I have no interest in "making it big", getting a record deal, going on the road or anything like that. I gave up on that long ago when I realized just what kind of shit I'd be buying into. I don't mean to sound pretentious, because I hate bands and singers who react to bad reviews by saying the journalist "just didn't get it", but with regards to being "in the biz" I'd rather just sit in my bedroom and wank into my Ableton software with my headphones on than getting pushed around by people who expect you to do it slightly different because the Twilight crowd "aren't into that at the moment."

I decided long ago I wouldn't put up with shit like that, and I'd probably end up a disillusioned drug addict, AND THAT'S ASSUMING some tonedeaf idiot would even sign me in the first place. Which, as you are about to find out, is not very bloody likely.

But I thought it would be fun to get some feedback from someone like BonsaiK, who has the sort of epic zen-like mastery over the music industry that makes me want to read his stuff for hours. On company time.

Unfortunately, most of my stuff is 2+ years old because of lack of free time, technical troubles, yadda yadda. But I haven't learned anything in the mean-time, so... ;)

ANYWAY. In the spirit of masochism, let's boogie!

Kartika
The first one is about two years old and is probably my favorite of the bunch. The feel is supposed to be as frantic and angry as possible. All guitars and bass are soft-amped. The drums are EzDrummer and EQ'ed until they just about bled, with a handful of sampled breakbeats on top for flavor.

Incidentally, I should probably let this drop now: My guitar only has two strings and is tuned to an open D. I am NOT a guitarist.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/Kartika-61263201

I did everything here, including mixing and mastering, so if anything is wrong with this song (and there probably is), it's entirely my fault.

The Talent Show
This one's a bit more industrial, and is a bit older. The drums are sampled from a real drumkit, and during the chorus there's a real drumkit playing in the background. (You can tell I like to overdub drums until it sounds like a Prodigy-ish mess of hits and cymbals.) The drum sound was really terrible, thanks to a completely shit job of mic'ing them up by yours truly, so they're buried quite far in the mix.

This one's more passive-aggressive. It's a sardonic song basically about how much I hate X-Factor, Idol and that 15-mins of fame culture.

I play all the instruments and do the shouty-voice, but the clean vocals and the opening drum beat is courtesy of a friend of mine. I also didn't mix and master this entirely on my own; a friend of mine did the actual mixing/mastering (even though he, like me, also has no idea what he's doing) with me looking over his shoulder and drinking his beer.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/the-talent-show-53962184

Rebel! Revolt! Recruit!
Lastly, here's me being pop-punky. I put on a faux Southern accent, even though I'm not even American, and semi-growl my way through it.

This is the oldest song of the bunch. First of all, there's no bass; at least, no real bass (like, one with strings and such). There are two real guitars playing, but other than that, everything else was done in Reason. And that's one of Reason's own drum presets playing drums (well, programmed by me, obviously). The mixing and mastering was also me.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/rebel-revolt-recruit-27822623


Well. Let 'er rip! Or don't. Like I said, this is PURELY because I want to learn; not because I want to make it big. But let's pretend I do for the purpose of this exercise. ;)

Oh, and I know no one else would ever click on these links unless directly instructed to do so - but if someone accidentally did and happened to listen to a few seconds of it, I'd be interested in hearing your opinions as well. Can't hurt, can it?
 

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Troels Pleimert said:
In the same spirit of masochism this thread began its life with, I thought I'd plonk down a few of my tracks and brace for impact.

I have no interest in "making it big", getting a record deal, going on the road or anything like that. I gave up on that long ago when I realized just what kind of shit I'd be buying into. I don't mean to sound pretentious, because I hate bands and singers who react to bad reviews by saying the journalist "just didn't get it", but with regards to being "in the biz" I'd rather just sit in my bedroom and wank into my Ableton software with my headphones on than getting pushed around by people who expect you to do it slightly different because the Twilight crowd "aren't into that at the moment."

I decided long ago I wouldn't put up with shit like that, and I'd probably end up a disillusioned drug addict, AND THAT'S ASSUMING some tonedeaf idiot would even sign me in the first place. Which, as you are about to find out, is not very bloody likely.

But I thought it would be fun to get some feedback from someone like BonsaiK, who has the sort of epic zen-like mastery over the music industry that makes me want to read his stuff for hours. On company time.

Unfortunately, most of my stuff is 2+ years old because of lack of free time, technical troubles, yadda yadda. But I haven't learned anything in the mean-time, so... ;)

ANYWAY. In the spirit of masochism, let's boogie!

Kartika
The first one is about two years old and is probably my favorite of the bunch. The feel is supposed to be as frantic and angry as possible. All guitars and bass are soft-amped. The drums are EzDrummer and EQ'ed until they just about bled, with a handful of sampled breakbeats on top for flavor.

Incidentally, I should probably let this drop now: My guitar only has two strings and is tuned to an open D. I am NOT a guitarist.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/Kartika-61263201

I did everything here, including mixing and mastering, so if anything is wrong with this song (and there probably is), it's entirely my fault.

The Talent Show
This one's a bit more industrial, and is a bit older. The drums are sampled from a real drumkit, and during the chorus there's a real drumkit playing in the background. (You can tell I like to overdub drums until it sounds like a Prodigy-ish mess of hits and cymbals.) The drum sound was really terrible, thanks to a completely shit job of mic'ing them up by yours truly, so they're buried quite far in the mix.

This one's more passive-aggressive. It's a sardonic song basically about how much I hate X-Factor, Idol and that 15-mins of fame culture.

I play all the instruments and do the shouty-voice, but the clean vocals and the opening drum beat is courtesy of a friend of mine. I also didn't mix and master this entirely on my own; a friend of mine did the actual mixing/mastering (even though he, like me, also has no idea what he's doing) with me looking over his shoulder and drinking his beer.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/the-talent-show-53962184

Rebel! Revolt! Recruit!
Lastly, here's me being pop-punky. I put on a faux Southern accent, even though I'm not even American, and semi-growl my way through it.

This is the oldest song of the bunch. First of all, there's no bass; at least, no real bass (like, one with strings and such). There are two real guitars playing, but other than that, everything else was done in Reason. And that's one of Reason's own drum presets playing drums (well, programmed by me, obviously). The mixing and mastering was also me.

http://www.myspace.com/alchemydk/music/songs/rebel-revolt-recruit-27822623


Well. Let 'er rip! Or don't. Like I said, this is PURELY because I want to learn; not because I want to make it big. But let's pretend I do for the purpose of this exercise. ;)

Oh, and I know no one else would ever click on these links unless directly instructed to do so - but if someone accidentally did and happened to listen to a few seconds of it, I'd be interested in hearing your opinions as well. Can't hurt, can it?
Actually I didn't mind any of that stuff. Really good production for a home creation actually. Good drum programming too, it isn't just boring loops, you've put time into it and it shows, plus all the live instrument playing is solid. Sure, it's not spectacular, but it doesn't have to be, it's perfectly serviceable for what you're trying to do. Given how much you've talked yourself down I was expecting a lot worse! The main criticism from an industry point of view would be that each track is very different and not many punters would like all three styles you've got going here, so it would be kind of hard to know where to "put" your product if you submitted a demo that had those particular three songs on it.

The first one is good in a stoner-rock way in parts but I dunno about that dun-dunnn-dun-dunnnn riff and all the vocals are definitely too quiet, that all kind of wrecks it for me. The second one was better, clearer vocals and I (ironically perhaps) like the lyrical idea of it which comes across nice and strong. I'd lose that squash-ball noise at the start if you can (replace it with something more abrasive maybe) and maybe dirty up some of the quieter synth stuff or chop it altogether, but I'm nitpicking, it's pretty good, mind you it's a bit Manson-ish and right now probably isn't the time to be pushing a product like that, that's really the only reason why I'd steer away from it. The last one is the best one, kind of synthpop with crazy vocals on top, I liked it and I wish you went even crazier still with the vocals and even smoother and more synthetic with the backing. Forget accents, do it your way and just go as nuts as you possibly can.

That's what I thought anyway, how much you choose to care or let that influence what you do is entirely up to you. ;)