Muslim Protestors Target Google

[LordLundar]

Being surprised or 'Shocked' that Muslims in the Middle East are being angry in retaliation for what they perceive is religious attacks against them, is the EXACT same kind of response you'd get in the United States if they decided to build a Mosque at Ground Zero...oh wait...

i agree that there are plenty of parts of christianity/catholics that have done horrible things in the past (to this day too) and that no one deserves a free pass on stupid shit.

however, unless there was a mosque built at ground zero before 9/11, then there is no reason for one to be built there (nor anything, if i remember right ground zero is now a memorial type place) as anyone with 2 brain cells would see it's just a troll move. however, i seriously doubt people would be screaming "death to the infidels!" *insert flag burning* *insert murders in the name of defending religion*

You mean the one that was four blocks away and the ones arranging for the "new" one is simply the old one be moved to a larger building that they had legally paid for? That one? Congratulations on not doing your research.

And this community at large disgusts me. We have a group of Muslims engaging in a legal, peaceful protest to convince Google to take down the video (and it's odd that they refuse considering there is even an option to report it as "offends my religious rights") and people are screaming "All the ebil Muslims should DIE!" yet in the very same article (and only a small blurb at the end, shame on you Carter, you're just as bad) of political representatives brutally attacking anyone that doesn't share their belief while police look on in a country that could descend into a situation similar to Somalia and just about everyone here ignores it.

No one here after seeing the dreck in this thread has the right to call themselves morally superior.

 

[TeletubbiesGolfGun]

Being surprised or 'Shocked' that Muslims in the Middle East are being angry in retaliation for what they perceive is religious attacks against them, is the EXACT same kind of response you'd get in the United States if they decided to build a Mosque at Ground Zero...oh wait...

i agree that there are plenty of parts of christianity/catholics that have done horrible things in the past (to this day too) and that no one deserves a free pass on stupid shit.

however, unless there was a mosque built at ground zero before 9/11, then there is no reason for one to be built there (nor anything, if i remember right ground zero is now a memorial type place) as anyone with 2 brain cells would see it's just a troll move. however, i seriously doubt people would be screaming "death to the infidels!" *insert flag burning* *insert murders in the name of defending religion*

You mean the one that was four blocks away and the ones arranging for the "new" one is simply the old one be moved to a larger building that they had legally paid for? That one? Congratulations on not doing your research.

And this community at large disgusts me. We have a group of Muslims engaging in a legal, peaceful protest to convince Google to take down the video (and it's odd that they refuse considering there is even an option to report it as "offends my religious rights") and people are screaming "All the ebil Muslims should DIE!" yet in the very same article (and only a small blurb at the end, shame on you Carter, you're just as bad) of political representatives brutally attacking anyone that doesn't share their belief while police look on in a country that could descend into a situation similar to Somalia and just about everyone here ignores it.

No one here after seeing the dreck in this thread has the right to call themselves morally superior.

wait what? what was four blocks away? congratulations on not being specific and sounding condescending.

i say the EXACT same thing about jews/christians/whatever the fuck you are, it's a god damn video on the goddamn internet.

i'm going to quote someone because they some up my opinion better than i could in a short way:

I'm generally appalled by the complete lack of empathy most people put on display.

snip

Empathy for what? A group of people protesting against a movie they haven't seen, to people who are not responsible for it, and asking for the denial of the same free speech that they themselves enjoy by being allowed to protest in the first place?

Good luck with that.

also

to make your generalization to actually make sense, here you go:

Spoiler: dont look if you dont have a backbone, or dont understand sarcasm

Spoiler: giving him evidence so he can claim someone said it

ALL DE EBIL MUSLIMS SHOULD DIE!!!!

 

[Techno Squidgy]

Do you know what the worst thing about this whole debacle is?



The film was absolutely terrible. Terrible writing, terrible acting, terrible sets, terrible effects.

I wish the muslims would just shrug this off the way most Christians would. Barring the Westboro Baptist church and various fundamentalists/extremists, most christians are generally pretty chill when people take the piss out of Jesus or God. Yet the Muslims declare that someone should be murdered for depicting Mohammed (pbuh). I just don't get it.
Perhaps Mr/Mrs Garrison was onto something
http://youtu.be/eNtDrUhcKyQ?t=47s

 

[Simmons 2.0]

Guys, this isn't an issue of free expression. Have you actually seen the film? It's beyond racist and horrid. It's worse than The Passion. The guy who made this was just looking for a fight. And if he had attacked any other religion, nobody would be this dismissive about it.

This is not some attack on freedom of expression. You know why? Because they are exercising their freedom of expression by staging a protest in this regard. Or are they not entitled to the UK's basic rights and freedoms because, in the words of far too many people "Deyr de Turists!"

Christians expect people to not desecrate statues or postings of Jesus. Jews expect people to not engage in Anti-Semitism. Muslims ask pretty much only one thing from us in the Western world, and that's to not show images of their prophet.

Can we just respect that? Can we as people not be complete pricks about Islam for once?

Islam didn't commit 9/11. It was the psycopathy of a madman. Much like how Christianity didn't create the Klu Klux Klan or the Westboro Baptist Church. Idiots created those.

Big difference guys.

well said my friend. well said * raises glass

 

[Orange12345]

What bothers me most about this is that these people are protesting the film and NOT the murders that it was used to justify, Perspective people.

 

[Driekan]

oh dear god no, i am not perfect nor am i anywhere near any kind of end result of evolution, i've progressed over the years and hope to continue progressing, however in many muslim countries they literally ARE stuck that way because their government is built that way and they control all media/censorship, therefore they are keeping their people "stuck" to prevent them from advancing and adhering different trains of thought. i am not inherently better, but i am allowed free train of thought and expression while many other countries (many muslim ones included) are shunned away from such things.

Every word you typed displays a clear belief in an inherent "Betterness" of your way of doing things, which is all I was pointing out. I really don't need to argue any more, you've made my point.

citation needed on that

Above-quote was concerning my claim that christian and jewish groups have strong mechanisms to defend themselves in the "Western" world, and are active in employing them. Snipped for brevity.

Citations are easy to come by... Discussing the holocaust is illegal to varying degrees in a lot of european countries, as mentioned. If you can trust wikipedia, this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial) if not, looking through the sources there will get you the info. It's just plain fact, so not very hard to find.

As for citations for wider capacity to defend themselves, one need only look at the long history of the Anti-Defamation League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League) or other similar agencies. Simple fact, going too far on these lines can land you in a lot of trouble in most "Western" nations, even if you do it with no malice or forethought whatsoever.

while i am an agnostic christian, i fucking despise romney and would rather have jack thompson as president than him, as many christians i know, i don't see why you are bringing that up but i promise you there are many who despise him

I am bringing him up as an example of the overall capacity of christian and jewish groups to act within this society. That both groups, contrary to what you indicated, aren't just rolling over when their policies and/or beliefs are threatened. The ascendance of a candidate, in part due to his adhering to christian values, is the christian example (Whereas the ones mentioned above were the jewish examples0.

also, do you realize, in none of those situations you listed is anyone dying or bomb threats being dropped, rgp's being used..etc...funny at that.

Again, you agree with me. As had been pointed out, these two vaguely-defined groups (Jews and Christians) are capable of defending themselves from attack effectively in the society here in "The West". Muslims - in many cases - aren't. Follows the demonization and the cycle of violence that will always come from that.

newcomers to the game? what...just no, no, it is not a newcomer, "islam" does not need shelter, considering people bend over backwards in fear of being death threatened or bombed anytime they do anything that doesn't line up with the islam beliefs, while most religions get told to "take a hike" anytime they bring up an issue, no, everyone shouldn't be sheltered, no one is above criticism/offense.

You don't seem like you are bending over backwards in fear of being death threatened.

Anecdotally speaking, I do know one person who received death threats (Complete with full information on where they lived, their family, their routine, etc.) over issues of politico-religious difference, and it was not due to opposing muslim groups. Just the opposite.

Do you know what the worst thing about this whole debacle is?



The film was absolutely terrible. Terrible writing, terrible acting, terrible sets, terrible effects.

I wish the muslims would just shrug this off the way most Christians would. Barring the Westboro Baptist church and various fundamentalists/extremists, most christians are generally pretty chill when people take the piss out of Jesus or God. Yet the Muslims declare that someone should be murdered for depicting Mohammed (pbuh). I just don't get it.
Perhaps Mr/Mrs Garrison was onto something
http://youtu.be/eNtDrUhcKyQ?t=47s

I suspect most people around where you live deposit more of their personal faith and values in things other than religion. I'm gonna go on a wild hunch and assume you're north american (Beg forgive if you're not, but building up a point here).

I suspect you, or people around you, react somewhat more powerfully when other values are threatened. In my experience, most americans place a huge burden of importance on 9/11, to a degree that seems irrational to anyone looking from the outside,much like their reaction to this film seems irrational. Not to diminish a tragedy, merely pointing out that to most people in the world, it was "A building fell down, couple thousand people died", an event far less shocking than most tragedies that happened around the same time, or since.

 

[Mr F.]

Well Ilias Kasidiaris does have a point... I mean assault is more peaceful than murder? At least I think that is the point he is going for.

Peaceful protest is a better way to go about this so while I do not like censorship I at least respect the people protesting in London.

I bet the maker of this film is damn pleased with the shitstorm it has caused.

Not really. He produced the film under an alias and when he was found out, he went into hiding. He's currently in jail.

Well, he IS damn pleased with the shitstorm he caused. If you follow up on who he is, who funded him and what his aims were, the entire point of the film was to cause a shitstorm.

Hence the whole "Dubbing what the actors were actually saying and replacing it with nonsensical anti-Islamic bullshit". Then again, my views are based on what the Guardian states on the matter (The money came from Angry Copts and ultra-orthodox Jews, both of which want to destabilize the post-Mubarak regime, which was the entire point of the film).

And he is in Jail for violating the terms of his parole, what with being a convicted fraudster who was barred from using a false name or using the internet.

But anyway! Stand up for the freedom of fraudsters and religious maniacs! Free speech without any limitations (Which doesnt exist, anywhere at all, not even in the states) is worth anything!

I really don't get it. Are these people not self aware in the slightest? Don't they realise that all this petty complaining (not to mention the insane over reaction and violence at the US embassies) only brings about more offensive material and distaste of Muslims. Have they learned nothing from Everybody Draw Mohammed day?

Wait...

What?

Just what?

You are complaining that a community is peacefully protesting? And you are blaming this group (Which is peacefully protesting) for negative material coming out about Muslims? What?

Sorry, I can understand the anger against the rioters and whatnot (Although that was blown out of proportion and those responsible for attacking the embassy were removed by other citizens, the entire militia was kicked outa town.) but you are seeming to say that those who are currently protesting peacefully are not "Self aware" and that this somehow makes them DESERVE the offensive material and "distaste of Muslims".

To use an extreme example which will get me accused of Strawmanning (Which is fine by me, cause I am about to level an accusation of Racism to Mr Carter.) You sound like someone sitting there going "Well, if you complain peacefully about being raped, dont you understand that it makes you get raped more and people just have a distaste for all you victims for complaining?"

Mr Carter. "At least four people". Technically true. I love how you reported purely on the deaths of citizens from "Western" nations. Did you just bypass the news from Pakistan, all the deaths and injuries caused whilst police tried to stop protests?

Or does it not matter to you?

Strawman card thrown down. These protesters aren't victims. There are no victims here except the people the protesters and rioters are harming.

Oh and let us not forget those poor extremists who were harmed or killed while trying to harm and/or kill other people, those poor, poor fanatics. If only we had given them a free pass to murder more of innocent people cause they didn't like a movie.

Well... Whether or not you consider the protestors to be victims is a matter of personal opinion. Speaking as a non-muslim, I cannot fully comprehend the anger being felt here. However, a few things should be noted:
- It is Haram (Against Islam) to depict the prophet Mohammed. This is up there with eating pork.
- Even ignoring that rather key point, the film was deliberately made to be gravely insulting to anyone of the Islamic faith. That was its point, its soul aim, the entire reason the film was created.

So, considering these people have been insulted (Deliberately) and people are protesting peacefully AGAINST someone who has deliberately insulted them (And, by some extension, against google for refusing to pull the insult from youtube and against the American state for not passing new legislature, something similar to how Jews are treated in France perhaps?) what exactly is the issue here?

If you are talking about free speech you have to accept the right for other people to have free speech. Those who are currently protesting are justified in their protest (And it is GOOD that they are excersing their right to protest), as much as (If not more so) than the fucker who created the film in the first place was justified in the making of the film.

So...

Yeah. That sums things up.

And ignoring the deaths of others as a result of this, just because they are not white, is simply racism. Ignoring why people found the film and are protesting as a result is just... Well, not quite racist, more simply ignorant.

As for the rioting? I was pretty sure people had already come to accept that the film was a catalyst and not a cause (Look them up if you cannot tell the difference). People throughout the Islamic world have plenty of reasons to hate on the West and the symbols of the west, from the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan through to the supporting of a moderately genocidal, utterly racist out of control Zionist state illegally occupying large areas of Palestine.

Last August there were riots throughout Britain, a few people died. Whilst the jury is still out on the "Cause", it is pretty much accepted that the shooting of Mark Duggan was simply the spark on the powder keg. The powder keg was there already.

The protesters in London are harming nobody.

So, In summary:
- The protesters being referred to within this article are harming nobody, there has been no violence, the protests are utterly peaceful, any statement AGAINST these protests falls flat on its face as a direct result.
- The rioting throughout the Islamic world is far deeper than "Someone made an offensive movie"
- Since you cannot comprehend how this has made people feel, you are in no position to judge their actions (As long as those actions remain peaceful).

I am sick of anti-Islamic bullshit popping up on the escapist.

HEY GUYS, I HAVE A PROPOSAL.

How about this website leaves real news (Politics and the like) to real journalists and just sticks to writing about things actually related to gaming of any kind. The embassy storming was news for this site what with the whole "Key member of Eve Online dies" aspect. But I cannot see how this protest has anything to do with gaming.

 

[Marcus Kehoe]

"Islam: Religion of Peace*"

*Unless you do something we don't like, then, well...
MUZZIES SMASH EVIL WESTERN NATIONS WHO WANT THINKS LIKE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!

I DARE any of these types to protest in the USA.
They wouldn't last a hour.

It would be bad, the thing I'd be worried about is who would stop them. The authorities or the citizens?

 

[HumourlessBaboon]

How does Jesus have anything to do with Greece specifically now? That's a serious question, I genuinely don't understand that bit.
The group should try using the courts to settle this, they're just both increasing their terrorist stigma and lowering people's sympathy for them. It's not that they shouldn't be able to beat the #$%# out of him, it's just that they're not doing it the way that will support their cause.

"Leave Google aloooooone!!"
Or was it Britney? I forget.
But attacking Google is even less of a way to get people's sympathy. I, for example, am siding with Google on this one, which means that I do not side with the MAF (even though they are protesting peacefully). I would have sided with them in the first place, so I feel they are making enemies they can't afford if they truly want this movie off the screen.

I am somewhat more disturbed by the what's going on in Greece. The situation there is essentially what would happen if the extreme right of the Republican party exclusively controlled the police. Gays and journalists being beaten to a pulp while the police stop anyone from helping them escape. That's screwed up.

They're not beating up gays. They're beating up people who portray Jesus as gay. The police, who you can probably assume are very religious, probably agree with GD but can't join in, so they avoid helping either side. If homosexuality lost its stigma, this wouldn't be happening.
I do find it strange that any Grecian considers calling someone gay to be an insult--I mean, look at Sparta. They put partners in the military so they would fight harder to impress their boyfriends!

 

[themilo504]

Ugh I know I?m supposed to be all nice and respectful and praise how their protesting peacefully but no I?m sorry protesting Muslims please stop whining and accept the fact that people make fun of your religion.
despite you and every other religion claiming that you?re the one religion (which even if there is a god) I highly doubt you are not so please stop battling with the same free will that grants you the right to even protest and accept that people make fun of your religion and when you hear about stuff like that movie just roll your eyes look away and if you feel like it take comfort in the fact there going to whatever place of eternal damnation you belief in.

 

[Mr F.]

"Calls for all civilized fellow human beings to join in the 'Campaign for Global Civility."

Sure, because it was civilized and peaceful to murder innocent embassy workers and begin murderous riots across the world. Yea, totally civilized. No doubt there.

And its totally ok that the KKK hates on black people and beats them up and whatnot. And every Christian group is related to them, it is all the same, so all people who give to any Christian charity or joing Any group ever associated even partially with Christians are racist fuckheads, right?

Right?

Cause you are tarring all Muslims with the same brush there. So I can tar all Christians with the same brush.

On that note, all Americans are anti-communist Protestants with a bent for racism and religious hatred. All Jews are Zionists that hate Palestine. All Iranians want to blow up Israel. All Afghanis are members of the Taliban and hate the west.

Can you see the point I am making here? Can you? Please?

Cause if you cannot, you should lose your right to post online due to being incredibly ignorant and having a bent for casual racism. Not all "Muslims" are the same, they are not part of the same groups, they are not from the same cultures, they do not have some magical hive mind. Just like how not all Christians hate homosexuals or not all Americans hate Communism (Bad example there, most of the Americans I have met hate Communism). Your generalization, even if it was meant to be funny (It was not) is, well...

Ignorant and racist.

"Islam: Religion of Peace*"

*Unless you do something we don't like, then, well...
MUZZIES SMASH EVIL WESTERN NATIONS WHO WANT THINKS LIKE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!

I DARE any of these types to protest in the USA.
They wouldn't last a hour.

These types of protest?

THIS IS A GROUP OF CITIZENS PROTESTING PEACEFULLY. YOU ARE STATING THAT AMERICA, THE COUNTRY THAT HOLDS FREE SPEECH HIGHEST AND MIGHTIEST AND TRIES TO LECTURE THE REST OF THE PLANET ON FREEDOM AND EQUALITY, SHOULD PREVENT PEACEFUL PROTESTS FROM OCCURING!

What on earth is wrong with you?

Seriously?

Also, "Muzzies"? Imma gonna flag this post in the vain hope that at least one moderator gives a flying fuck about the racism that gets thrown around on these boards.

 

[themilo504]

Guys, this isn't an issue of free expression. Have you actually seen the film? It's beyond racist and horrid. It's worse than The Passion. The guy who made this was just looking for a fight. And if he had attacked any other religion, nobody would be this dismissive about it.

This is not some attack on freedom of expression. You know why? Because they are exercising their freedom of expression by staging a protest in this regard. Or are they not entitled to the UK's basic rights and freedoms because, in the words of far too many people "Deyr de Turists!"

Christians expect people to not desecrate statues or postings of Jesus. Jews expect people to not engage in Anti-Semitism. Muslims ask pretty much only one thing from us in the Western world, and that's to not show images of their prophet.

Can we just respect that? Can we as people not be complete pricks about Islam for once?

Islam didn't commit 9/11. It was the psycopathy of a madman. Much like how Christianity didn't create the Klu Klux Klan or the Westboro Baptist Church. Idiots created those.

Big difference guys.

In a good world people would not show pictures of Mohammed in a perfect world people would show pictures of Mohammed and nobody would care.

Well that came across as pretentious sorry for that.
Also you have to admit they are targeting the wrong people.

 

[maninahat]

I wish the UK lot would be so reactive when thier extremist brothers kill people in the name of thier god, I mean here they stage demonstrations to protest a stupid movie yet when asked to help deal with extremists its 'oh those are bad muslims, go talk to them not us'.

http://dawn.com/2011/09/25/uk-muslims-hold-rally-against-extremism/

http://www.isb.org.uk/protest-against-poppy-burning-extremists/

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ca/2012/04/french-muslims-protest-against.html

Out of interest, do you demonstrate against the actions of extremists in your religious/ethnic group?

Thank you for saying what needs to be said.

These muslims are simply enacting their right to peacefully protest and that is fine by me. If they have a problem, that is exactly how they should be going about it.

 

[maninahat]

A peaceful protest in favor of limiting free speech is no more palatable to me than a peaceful protest to resist the right of women to vote or homosexuals to marry. I think better of you for not being violent about it, but not by a very wide margin.

Is a private company's refusal to host a video a limitation of free speech? Seems to me that google has no legal obligation one way or the other, and they can ban whatever video they see fit. Youtube already bans nudity, pornography, cruelty to animals etc. I really have no idea why google doesn't just ban the video - if its content is highly offensive to thousands upon thousands of people but acceptable by youtube standards, perhaps they should consider reviewing their content policy. From the perspective of youtube's many muslim users, its clearly falling short.

 

[itsthesheppy]

A peaceful protest in favor of limiting free speech is no more palatable to me than a peaceful protest to resist the right of women to vote or homosexuals to marry. I think better of you for not being violent about it, but not by a very wide margin.

Is a private company's refusal to host a video a limitation of free speech? Seems to me that google has no legal obligation one way or the other, and they can ban whatever video they see fit. Youtube already bans nudity, pornography, cruelty to animals etc. I really have no idea why google doesn't just ban the video - if its content is highly offensive to thousands upon thousands of people but acceptable by youtube standards, perhaps they should consider reviewing their content policy. From the perspective of youtube's many muslim users, its clearly falling short.

I feel there is somewhat of a degree of difference between video depicting animal cruelty and a guy saying "Islam is full of violent psychopaths".

But you're right. Youtube is a private organization. And they can choose to ban the insulting of a religion. They would be cowards, but they have the right to be cowards. None of this improves my opinion of the muslims who are protesting, mind you.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I see religion is still giving people a good excuse to be shitty to one and other. Well done Greece

 

[Depulcator]

As if I needed another reason to dis like that religion.

 

[I.Muir]

I watched 5 minutes of trailer
It looks horrible, like really bad
I could not be paid to watch a film that bad, it's like attack of the birds

On to what it is about... well
It was going to piss them off and I'm speaking of what seems to be the most volatile religious community at the moment.
It's unfortunate that the idiocy of it's creators has already been paid back a thousand times over with more violent protests. This means if they had a point to make it's currently being made for them.
As for blockading Google.... I don't really care about the free speech of these people but the damage has already been done.

 

[Depulcator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg

Pretty accurate description.

 

[jackinmydaniels]

*Sigh* I don't think there's anything I can say about this without being incredibly offensive...