Eomega123 said:
But Up and Toy Story are not for kids.
Themes of regret and not achieving what you wanted in life (Up) is a very sad and accurate truth. I doubt any child has the slightest grasp of that and simply watched it for other reasons. The same goes for Toy Story 3 - a theme about moving on in life and letting go of the past even if it was good. Again, a very adult theme, but kids could watch and get entertainment from other parts of the film, but parents would appreciate the storyline far more.
What adult themes does MLP have? NB. Simple morals are not adult themes. They are simple morals which have been in kids cartoons for many years....and they are simple morals, not complex ones such as what is covered in "Unthinkable".
Things that are considered "for kids" or "for adults" are arbitrary categorizations. There are indeed things that are too complex for a child to understand, as there are things that an adult may simply have outgrown. But something being enjoyable is not limited to what it is categorized for, and something going over one's head or being something one has outgrown does not necessarily have to go hand-in-hand with childish or adult. For god's sake, Animaniacs is a classic, for both kids and adults, focused more on being good than on who it's being good for. I've largely outgrown the idea that I can't enjoy something because I'm no longer a kid, or because I'll be looked at funny for enjoying it. I watch Game of Thrones, and I watch MLP:FIM, and I enjoy both for very different reasons. I also do not believe that dark undertones of regret and not achieving what you want in life are not necessarily themes a child cannot understand, and it is this patronizing mindset that has established the kind of children's programming we usually get. Simplicity is not beneath me. Many things that you're lumping in together with Game of Thrones fail to be nearly as engaging as it, because attempting to do something meaningful, dark, and complex does not always translate to success. Also, if it weren't for the strong sexual themes and undertones, I'd say any child of mine would be more than welcome to try their hand at watching Game of Thrones. Not because I'm a prude, but because it's a bit early for that to be implanted into the head of a six-year-old. If you REALLY want to address sexually inappropriate things for children, a child beauty pageant where a grown-ass man in a wolf costume is pelvic-thrusting on a six-year-old girl hanging onto his waist upside down immediately comes to mind. That really happened, btw.
Believe it or not, Looney Tunes WAS targeted to kids. It was made by adults, for kids, and a lot of the jokes even as they went over a child's head, were still humorous to them. The same way a lot of grown people enjoyed Dennis Miller Live on HBO even though most of what he was saying was probably lost to them. Did you have to be politically aware or have an impressive vocabulary to appreciate that? It might have enriched (or worsened) the experience, but it certainly wasn't necessary. In fact, that was very much what he was known for. "I like him even though I can't understand what he's saying half the time." The Brothers Grimm produced many a fairy tale, many of which are infinitely darker than what you're saying a child can appreciate. And I've found that I could appreciate the modernized watered-down, as well as the original contents all the same, even as a child. When I was younger, I was fascinated by all kinds of mythology, and myths have some of the most messed up tales anyone can think of. Also, I don't know if you've realized this, but kids are some of the cruelest people you can meet. Most adult personalities have their foundations in childhood behavior. They've become more refined, yes, but children even in the more simplistic manner they perceive the world around them are a lot shrewder than you think.
I don't ever want to think I missed out on enjoying something because I considered it to be beneath me. If I do not enjoy it, I want that to be on the merits (or lack thereof) of the thing in question. The themes are simplified for children to understand and appreciate. From an adult, objective standpoint, I can appreciate that they've done a good job of this, because a lot of simplifications come across as sloppy ("It's for kids. Don't sweat the details."). But at the same time, I can enjoy the series even more because that aspect is well-done AND the creators have done more than what is expected of a kids' show. The characters are vivid, the writing is humorous, the songs, while cheesy in that Disney way are well-crafted, and I can also see traces of the creators' previous works (which I thoroughly enjoyed) here. Teletubbies is a kids show. I do not think it is a good kids show. MLP:FIP is a good kids show, and I can enjoy it in spite of having outgrown the more child-friendly approach to things that you seem to be sneering at.
Not many adult shows can be Game of Thrones. I've watched many, and enjoyed many. But not many are as well-done as it is, and it's sort of raised the bar for more mature-themed television in my opinion, in acting, story-telling (though this is more to do with Martin's novels), use of budget no matter how big or small (especially this), and other things. I believe MLP:FIP has done the same for "wholesome, child-friendly" shows as well. And not only can I appreciate this; I can enjoy it as well.