You know, trolls are know to have bad spelling and grammar. Wink Wink, nudge nudge, pick up a Webster's and go to English 101.Ali Littles said:
Mythic Founder Thinks Most Free-to-Play MMOs Are "Crap"
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...because we've never come across trolls, jerks or 'riff-raff' in WoW?
I love the Guild Wars one-time payment model. I have no problem with buying expansions or using real money, but I do have a problem with financially tying my time to a game. I'm not the kind of person that can dedicate enough time on some sort of consistent basis to one game to justify paying monthly.
I love the Guild Wars one-time payment model. I have no problem with buying expansions or using real money, but I do have a problem with financially tying my time to a game. I'm not the kind of person that can dedicate enough time on some sort of consistent basis to one game to justify paying monthly.
Otherwise read as "Goddamnit people pay ME to play MMOs!"
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Actually, I've been part of some free to play games. usually the ones like pokemon Indigo or those games where once you hit level twenty you dont advance anymore and to get the best stuff you have to shell out some money. and they're pretty fun for what they're worth. its all about return on investments. for example, i got minecraft early, and so far its paid for itself in the enjoyment factor ten fold.
I don't think I would go so far as to say that "most free-to-play games are crap" but I would definitely say that they lack the polish of subscription games.
Also, as some have already said, I find myself penny pinching when playing F2P games and constantly looking out for the 'gotcha' item or mechanics that just leech money. I have never been to end-game content like raiding in F2P games as most of the time (yes, I am genralizing) it works out to be more expensive than raiding in a subscription environment.
Ultimately, I believe that subs will outlast this F2P fad we are currently experiencing.
Also, as some have already said, I find myself penny pinching when playing F2P games and constantly looking out for the 'gotcha' item or mechanics that just leech money. I have never been to end-game content like raiding in F2P games as most of the time (yes, I am genralizing) it works out to be more expensive than raiding in a subscription environment.
Ultimately, I believe that subs will outlast this F2P fad we are currently experiencing.
If I find that I am spending more than 1-2 hours in a game on average, then I have no problem spending $15 a month on them. Counting just my main character and including a pay period I didn't mean to purchase, along with one I shouldn't have, WoW cost me $.25 per hour of play over 3 full years, including expansions. If I counted all my character, and got rid of the 3 months I didn't mean to actually buy, and it's probably closer to $.15 or $.20, which I would say is well worth it. I've made far worse purchases for console and PC games than that (looks at Portal 2 as part of the Valve pack).
I, for one, would pay a subscription fee to a good MMO... as long as it doesnt try milk customers for extras on the side.
MMO's initially asked for subscriptions because the developers would constantly add and change the world, change the experience and you paid to play a ever changing game...
... then the sub was for servers only, content change became expansion packs you have to buy, you have to pay for extra services ( name change, server change ) ...and finally virtual goods are sold for real money by the developers.
MMO's when they first were introduced had a lot of flak due to the subscription fee, so had to really work to convince players it was a good thing... so offered everything with the sub, especially content.
WoW worked with that system for years, then got greedy and starting spewing out expansion packs you had to buy, instead of gradually adding to the world that it had been doing all the years.
EvE works like that , every expansion is free... but they are getting greedy too and are trying to add items in game that you need real cash to buy.
In short - return to the pay a sub and get everything free ( new content, items must be earned in game, or bought with in game currency , services must be free ( limited name change , limited server transfers , etc )... then the subscription model will work again.
Players dont want to pay a sub and still need to buy content, services and still be offered items you need to pay real cash for... what the [ expletive ] is the sub for then ?
MMO's initially asked for subscriptions because the developers would constantly add and change the world, change the experience and you paid to play a ever changing game...
... then the sub was for servers only, content change became expansion packs you have to buy, you have to pay for extra services ( name change, server change ) ...and finally virtual goods are sold for real money by the developers.
MMO's when they first were introduced had a lot of flak due to the subscription fee, so had to really work to convince players it was a good thing... so offered everything with the sub, especially content.
WoW worked with that system for years, then got greedy and starting spewing out expansion packs you had to buy, instead of gradually adding to the world that it had been doing all the years.
EvE works like that , every expansion is free... but they are getting greedy too and are trying to add items in game that you need real cash to buy.
In short - return to the pay a sub and get everything free ( new content, items must be earned in game, or bought with in game currency , services must be free ( limited name change , limited server transfers , etc )... then the subscription model will work again.
Players dont want to pay a sub and still need to buy content, services and still be offered items you need to pay real cash for... what the [ expletive ] is the sub for then ?
I would rather have it all for a monthly fee than pay a lot more to play a free to play game, since everything needs to be unlocked which will cost a heck of a lot more than a monthly fee.
I'm not averse to subscription fees but then they need to stop charging full price for the game itself too. Paying a heap of money for a game is always a gamble, but I don't like the fact that I need to like it enough to justify paying monthly for it too.
I'm actually curious to see what GW2 will do. Given the scale of that game, I can't imagine they can live of the initial sale price alone (Especially given the high development costs of such a big MMO), and they issued a statement they won't make any more full-priced extra campaigns like Factions and Nightfall. So... what will they be selling? If they're sneaky and give you less character slots than there are professions (they did in GW1), then they can already make some money of me by offering more character slots, but beyond that? I dunno.
I'm actually curious to see what GW2 will do. Given the scale of that game, I can't imagine they can live of the initial sale price alone (Especially given the high development costs of such a big MMO), and they issued a statement they won't make any more full-priced extra campaigns like Factions and Nightfall. So... what will they be selling? If they're sneaky and give you less character slots than there are professions (they did in GW1), then they can already make some money of me by offering more character slots, but beyond that? I dunno.
A topic where I'm interestingly in the middle ground. I play Lord of the Rings Online, where I can pay for points, to unlock features, while subscribers get points as part of their subscription to spend on things that enhance their gaming experience (Quest packs, Experience boosters, Special Gear, Crafting recipes, resetting task limits and the like)
The beauty of this is that while you can play for free and enjoy the experience without having to pay a damned penny, you can still opt to pay for stuff (I have) as and when you want or need it.
At least we don't walk into town on LOTRO and have various dubious named characters yelling around the town about cheap gold being available to purchase on various seedy websites. I'd say that Turbine have done a better job at this sort of riff-raff management than Blizzard have ever managed to do.
The beauty of this is that while you can play for free and enjoy the experience without having to pay a damned penny, you can still opt to pay for stuff (I have) as and when you want or need it.
At least we don't walk into town on LOTRO and have various dubious named characters yelling around the town about cheap gold being available to purchase on various seedy websites. I'd say that Turbine have done a better job at this sort of riff-raff management than Blizzard have ever managed to do.
i dont mind pay to play so long as you don't make me pay $50 for the first month! (Buy the game and get 30 days free my ass!)
This is y i like the pay model for EVE Online. Cost you the same the first month in the game as it does 30 months into the game.
This is y i like the pay model for EVE Online. Cost you the same the first month in the game as it does 30 months into the game.
I'm asking this because I'm genuinely interested, not to be a tosserFearzone said:
. How could they have handled the expansions better? I often see people saying this but never backing it up and it confuses me because I like the expansion work they have put out. The only thing I'd say is that the company need to release more content patches per expansion more frequently, but I guess that's easier said than done.
Well there is an extra ?5 fee for going from a trial to a sub account but you do get the additional 21 days from your trial in addition to the 30 and whoever sent you the trial gets a free month.DTWolfwood said:
It's a shame that more games don't use EVE's system of consistent pricing, free expansions, christmas presents, harsh pvp, player controlled market and play for free if you can grind 360-80mil a month.
BAHAHAHA!
His arguement is subscription games allow more inovation than the countless WoW clones. Yet, his game is one of the most blatent WoW clones out there!
I love Warhammer, but Warhammer Online is a crappier version of World of Warcraft, I could see it the second I logged in. His point may be valid, but his point is completely irrelevant considering what he has done.
His arguement is subscription games allow more inovation than the countless WoW clones. Yet, his game is one of the most blatent WoW clones out there!
I love Warhammer, but Warhammer Online is a crappier version of World of Warcraft, I could see it the second I logged in. His point may be valid, but his point is completely irrelevant considering what he has done.