Also demand Air Force chase down clouds for raining on people. "Rain is nothing more than cloud spit; that's how diseases are spread!"
NATO Considers "Persecuting" Anonymous
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Trouble is, if NATO rushes them then they might just cancel their tech and bugger off elsewhere as they have theoretically infinite expansions, and the more NATO pushes, the wider Anonymous will spread its creep. They've already got expansions all over the place, so it's going to be hard to put pressure on in any meaningful way, and impossible to meet their army head on in favourable conditions.Gunner_Guardian said:
On the flip side, if they sit back and let Anonymous tech up without scouting then they might just find themselves without a counter when they move out - either that or Anonymous will get board and just expand. For the lulz.
Eh, they have to announce things so they look busy.
If they mean nations will work together on cyber-defense, and improve their ways of catching and prosecuting hackers in general, then it would make sense.
If they mean nations will work together on cyber-defense, and improve their ways of catching and prosecuting hackers in general, then it would make sense.
Anonymous are basically the Wheatley of global security. They're idiots, but they're all powerful idiots who don't realize how stupid giving the codes to Star-wars to Hamas is until after they've done it.
NATO on the other hand would be the Rick of global security. Happy Explosion Day, Gorgeous.
NATO on the other hand would be the Rick of global security. Happy Explosion Day, Gorgeous.
Ah, this reminded me of the whole Wikileaks thing a while back. I really wish WL had released a list of the names and adresses of Anon members. That would have been funny.
But Stephen Colbert has is correct, don't go attacking them unless the kind of attack involves bullets being applied liberally to their brains. They can't hack your gun!
But Stephen Colbert has is correct, don't go attacking them unless the kind of attack involves bullets being applied liberally to their brains. They can't hack your gun!
I don't know which side to take on this. Anonymous scares the shit out of me, but I'm not a fan of government crackdowns either.
This is absolutely brilliant! One of the worlds strongest military coalition is thinking of hunting down bored kids with too much time on their hands! I love how this world works, it's absolute chaos and ignorance.
Good luck trying to take down a group of bored kids and hacktivists, who if provoked will only cause more problems. Right now you have Anonymous poking fun at targets that are mildly entertaining, my best bet is that if you poke the beast, they'll probably start doing damage... you know.. for the lulz.
I, for one, welcome this, and will enjoy it's development.
Good luck trying to take down a group of bored kids and hacktivists, who if provoked will only cause more problems. Right now you have Anonymous poking fun at targets that are mildly entertaining, my best bet is that if you poke the beast, they'll probably start doing damage... you know.. for the lulz.
I, for one, welcome this, and will enjoy it's development.
Nato....learn what the fuck Anon is before you declare it bad.
Anon is not a "group" its a collective of users who have a common gaol and use the internet as a medium of communication and as a tool for protest. The anon who support wiki leaks isn't necessarily the same as the ones who protest Scientology. They use "Anonymous" as a name so they are not identified and because that one particular group usually wont stay very long.
Also, this is one way that any teenager on the internet with access to 4chan and ED will actually hold more knowledge on the situation than NATO...and thats sad.
Anon is not a "group" its a collective of users who have a common gaol and use the internet as a medium of communication and as a tool for protest. The anon who support wiki leaks isn't necessarily the same as the ones who protest Scientology. They use "Anonymous" as a name so they are not identified and because that one particular group usually wont stay very long.
Also, this is one way that any teenager on the internet with access to 4chan and ED will actually hold more knowledge on the situation than NATO...and thats sad.
*snicker*Greg Tito said:
This seriously reminds me of that Bushism that was made in a reply before the invasion of Iraq was even officially announced:
"Of course we're going after Saddam Hussein...errrr...I mean Osama Bin Laden."
To everyone saying that Anonymous doesn't really exist/is so secretive that NATO can't touch it:
1. They're talking about the small group of people within Anon that actually does the hacking.
2. Of course they can be prosecuted. They're just people who use the internet a lot, like all of us. The fact that they use code names and never appear in person doesn't mean a thing when a government organisation is trying to find out who they are.
1. They're talking about the small group of people within Anon that actually does the hacking.
2. Of course they can be prosecuted. They're just people who use the internet a lot, like all of us. The fact that they use code names and never appear in person doesn't mean a thing when a government organisation is trying to find out who they are.
This is how the end begins, folks. This is a group with no friends in government, in business... in short, the people with money. The people who can afford the best stuff, and to hire the best people. Everything leaves a trace, everything leaves a trail, and sooner or later enough pressure, power, and money can track down anyone with a web presence.
But Anon? They won't care. Many of those who call themselves Anons or use their tactics can't even imagine there is a backlash to be had. They'll hear this and think 'Ha! We'll just screw with NATO next! We'll screw with everyone! Onward, for lulz!'. Meanwhile, others use the Anon banner to attack governments, to aid rebelions, to fight for transparency in government and business and for free speech to be available for all. This combination leads the outside observer to think they are anarchic madmen. And the last time anarchic madmen went unchecked, we had World War I.
My advice, personally, would be for folks in Anon to find a new mask to wear and fast. Sooner or later, someone wearing your mask will take one step over the line; crash power in an emergency zone, scramble hospital records so people get the wrong drugs and die, or so forth. That person will, likely, see no difference in their actions and the usual lulz they think Anon is all about. And that will be the day these governments go from being curious, concerned, and interested to deciding to track people down and toss them in prison for a few decades. At best. And when it comes to it, motivate the politicians and businesses enough, the ideas of free speech and protection of clients will go bye-bye.
That's the part I find most amusing about this. That which many of those wearing the mask fight for, most likely, will ultimately be eroded, even destroyed, in part thanks to the actions of others wearing the mask. It's ironic, but only in the sense that being gut shot when you were worried about a stomach ache is ironic. This will, ultimately, end in fire.
But Anon? They won't care. Many of those who call themselves Anons or use their tactics can't even imagine there is a backlash to be had. They'll hear this and think 'Ha! We'll just screw with NATO next! We'll screw with everyone! Onward, for lulz!'. Meanwhile, others use the Anon banner to attack governments, to aid rebelions, to fight for transparency in government and business and for free speech to be available for all. This combination leads the outside observer to think they are anarchic madmen. And the last time anarchic madmen went unchecked, we had World War I.
My advice, personally, would be for folks in Anon to find a new mask to wear and fast. Sooner or later, someone wearing your mask will take one step over the line; crash power in an emergency zone, scramble hospital records so people get the wrong drugs and die, or so forth. That person will, likely, see no difference in their actions and the usual lulz they think Anon is all about. And that will be the day these governments go from being curious, concerned, and interested to deciding to track people down and toss them in prison for a few decades. At best. And when it comes to it, motivate the politicians and businesses enough, the ideas of free speech and protection of clients will go bye-bye.
That's the part I find most amusing about this. That which many of those wearing the mask fight for, most likely, will ultimately be eroded, even destroyed, in part thanks to the actions of others wearing the mask. It's ironic, but only in the sense that being gut shot when you were worried about a stomach ache is ironic. This will, ultimately, end in fire.
Could be wrong but I think Nato's job is just to defend any of its members when they come under attack, not to go out and take down regimes from foreign countries.buy teh haloz said:Hey, NATO! Remember these two assholes? You know, the ones who have been killing innocent men, women and children every single day in their 30 year regimes and are spilling even more blood to keep themselves from relinquishing power? It's okay! I have pictures of them:
Yeah, stop wasting your incompetently trying to pursue a group that has the ability to severely fuck you over by leaking all your information, and start spending that time to ensure that these two leave their countries and are placed in a fucking prison cell for the rest of their miserable existence!
Truth.buy teh haloz said:Hey, NATO! Remember these two assholes? You know, the ones who have been killing innocent men, women and children every single day in their 30 year regimes and are spilling even more blood to keep themselves from relinquishing power? It's okay! I have pictures of them:
Yeah, stop wasting your incompetently trying to pursue a group that has the ability to severely fuck you over by leaking all your information, and start spending that time to ensure that these two leave their countries and are placed in a fucking prison cell for the rest of their miserable existence!
Anonomoyus is at least entirely transparent, and doesn't screw around and ignore illegal activity on the part of coperations, or other countires, nor do they try to limit our rights, nor do they... etc.
I really want Anon to give everybody a nice big smack in the face, reveal all the BS that goes on, and cause reform across modern goverments.
How'd they do this wihout making everything worse is beyond me.
So basically, NATO wants to take on the Internet.
Wow.
Even if they somehow managed to take down the entire group, other hackers will just take their place.
Wow.
Even if they somehow managed to take down the entire group, other hackers will just take their place.
Call me an idiot, but this is how I see it:
In my opinion, time and money would be much better spent on the 'improving security' bit than the 'trying to fight an extremely impulsive and loosely-structured entity' bit. Not only would that mean that governments and the like be protecting their information from more potential attackers, it has the added advantage of not provoking a large (relatively speaking) collective of hackers known to be pretty righteous about this sort of thing. Anonymous tends to mess with things it has a problem with, so announcing that you're going to try and infiltrate it, interfere with its operations and prosecute its members isn't going to go to end well for you, especially not if you try it via the internet, which is very much their home turf.
As far as the plausibility of infiltration is concerned, I'm not sure it would be all that difficult, but I'm not sure any information you'd acquire would be very useful, and certainly nothing to compromise any sort of operation.
So, in short, trying to infiltrate Anon would probably do more harm than good and any information gleaned wouldn't really be all that useful.
In my opinion, time and money would be much better spent on the 'improving security' bit than the 'trying to fight an extremely impulsive and loosely-structured entity' bit. Not only would that mean that governments and the like be protecting their information from more potential attackers, it has the added advantage of not provoking a large (relatively speaking) collective of hackers known to be pretty righteous about this sort of thing. Anonymous tends to mess with things it has a problem with, so announcing that you're going to try and infiltrate it, interfere with its operations and prosecute its members isn't going to go to end well for you, especially not if you try it via the internet, which is very much their home turf.
As far as the plausibility of infiltration is concerned, I'm not sure it would be all that difficult, but I'm not sure any information you'd acquire would be very useful, and certainly nothing to compromise any sort of operation.
So, in short, trying to infiltrate Anon would probably do more harm than good and any information gleaned wouldn't really be all that useful.