NATO Considers "Persecuting" Anonymous

[ZiggyE]

It appears that NATO is also a slave to American foreign policy, just like Mastercard and Visa.

 

[snfonseka]

I am sure CIA is going after Anon. Maybe other intelligence agencies also. So what's the specialty of NATO in this? How can they succeed where others didn't?

 

[solidmoose]

A lot of people still don't seem to have a real grasp of what Anonymous is.

It's like saying you'll go after every poet who signs with -Anon.

There are hundreds of different "hacking" (for the most part hacking consists of going on a forum somewhere and spamming pronz)groups, who all use the name Anonymous.

In this way they get to play on the fear that the word seems to spread now, and at the same time it serves to draw attention away from the actual group committing the offence.

The short of it; Anonymous really just does mean anonymous.

 

[XxSummonerxX]

LOL!

This thread amuses me. NATO is going to infiltrate anonymous? I can see the attempt now.

NATO: So gentlemen, let's hack a government agency!
ANON: No, lol newfag. ur gay.

How I would do it.
Summoner: SONY ARE DICKS! THEY DON'T LIKE MUDKIPS!
ANON: WE ACCEPT YOU!!!!!

 

[Zeekar]

Anonymous has proven one thing clear as crystal.

Free speech is dead. Say one negative thing about them in the wrong place, and your whole life will be destroyed. they have made the switch from pranksters to a online terrorist group. Anyone who would actively try to completely gut your life because you said something negative is nothing less a group of sociopaths with way to much power on their hands.

This is true, but in the opposite way implied. They have proven that free speech is dead, as their exercising and fighting for said right is responded to with threats of global government attack.

 

[Racecarlock]

Damn. Reading this thread alone is like reading s fucking movie script interspersed with Nostradamus end of the world predictions. I could eat through buckets of popcorn on the news room threads alone. Seriously people, read your own posts and tell me that they don't sound like shit from a movie. Tell me. I think most of you are taking this WAY too seriously.

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

My initial warning looks like this
Don't do it NATO

If they are stupid enough to do it, this will be my reaction

 

[JMeganSnow]

The answer, to me at least, isnt to fight them but hire their ring leaders. I know that might come as a shock to some but think about it. If these ramen sucking basement dwellers can offline Sony for a month then imagine the miracles they could do with a budget. Because if someone like google or microsoft or apple or sony sat them down, gave them a blank cheque, and said "Design us an online interface that allows us to do our jobs and doesn't compromise our customers" THEY WOULD DO IT.

And then one day they'd get tee'd off at their boss and post the root name and password on 4chan just before moving to Cancun. This is like hiring a child molester to babysit because they "really like kids". The trait you need in your security personnel is integrity, which these people DO NOT HAVE. It's also valuable to have a twisted, devious little mind, but you can't buy the loyalty of people who have no loyalty. You cannot rely on the honor of those with no honor.

Calling this criminal activity "hactivism" is just asinine. It's destruction of property. I don't care what your agenda is, if you're going around destroying things because you can, you're just another thug.

 

[JMeganSnow]

This is true, but in the opposite way implied. They have proven that free speech is dead, as their exercising and fighting for said right is responded to with threats of global government attack.

Anonymous is not exercising free speech or fighting for free speech. They are impeding the free speech of other people by force. If they actually want to exercise their free speech, they can buy ads and form political action committees and give lectures and PERSUADE people of their ideals. Instead, they engage in petty vandalism.

 

[Particulate]

The answer, to me at least, isnt to fight them but hire their ring leaders. I know that might come as a shock to some but think about it. If these ramen sucking basement dwellers can offline Sony for a month then imagine the miracles they could do with a budget. Because if someone like google or microsoft or apple or sony sat them down, gave them a blank cheque, and said "Design us an online interface that allows us to do our jobs and doesn't compromise our customers" THEY WOULD DO IT.

And then one day they'd get tee'd off at their boss and post the root name and password on 4chan just before moving to Cancun. This is like hiring a child molester to babysit because they "really like kids". The trait you need in your security personnel is integrity, which these people DO NOT HAVE. It's also valuable to have a twisted, devious little mind, but you can't buy the loyalty of people who have no loyalty. You cannot rely on the honor of those with no honor.

Calling this criminal activity "hactivism" is just asinine. It's destruction of property. I don't care what your agenda is, if you're going around destroying things because you can, you're just another thug.

Oh I agree, most of them are probably scatterbrained ne'er-do-wells. But a few of them, hopefully, might just be talented individuals with a grudge. I'm all for reasoning with one's enemies before bringing out the proverbial ban-hammer.

 

[Oneirius]

This is the real life version of declaring war on the Shadow Broker, and NATO doesn't have Liara T'soni on their side.

 

[aaronobst]

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Forgive my noobness but whos the guy on the left?

 

[Sixties Spidey]

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Forgive my noobness but whos the guy on the left?

Bashar al-Assad. President of Syria.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

This is just because NATO hasn't had anything to do since 1991

Care to elaborate? it's just I've been studying NATO for a while now, they have been doing a lot of work in Afghanistan and Iraq recently.

 

[XxSummonerxX]

Anonymous has proven one thing clear as crystal.

Free speech is dead. Say one negative thing about them in the wrong place, and your whole life will be destroyed. they have made the switch from pranksters to a online terrorist group. Anyone who would actively try to completely gut your life because you said something negative is nothing less a group of sociopaths with way to much power on their hands.

This is true, but in the opposite way implied. They have proven that free speech is dead, as their exercising and fighting for said right is responded to with threats of global government attack.

Free speech does NOT cover attacking others. "responded with government attack" is literally just the law doing what its supposed to. What they do "is" illegal. internet harassment, ddos attacks, breaking into websites, stealing passwords and information. all against the law. They are no longer "internet vigilantes" They passed well beyond that into just plain bullies, thugs and assholes. The amount of hurt and shit storm they cause "just for lulz" has far surpassed the "habbo hotel" days into something far more dark and sinister.

Its shit like this that gives the government all the incentive it needs to take complete control of online and throw "net neutrality" out the window.

As much as I don't like this clip-clop guy for his fervent, almost fanatical defense of the government, I semi agree with him.

First, they were pranksters, back in the Habbo Hotel days. Then they became pranksters with a bit of moral to them, such as operation titstorm to object to the internet filter in Australia. Finally, they became criminals when they attacked Sony.

ClipClop said they were "online terrorists" so he needs to look up the definition of "terrorist". The definition of "terrorist" is one who causes havoc and damage in an attempt to spread terror. Hacking PSN and stealing account data isn't terrorism, it's identity fraud, which, although a VERY serious crime, is not a terrorist activity in of itself.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The only way to retaliate effectively against Anonymous (and other Hacktivists) is to start taking rights away from the internet system itself, piece by piece.

"Internet bloodletting", basically.

It would be an incredibly long, expensive, ethically questionable, and highly self-destructive campaign even if it were successful.

Hmm. Anything about that last part sound familiar? Nah...probably just me.

 

[XxSummonerxX]

STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!

But in all seriousness, you can call me fanatical, but i can't see how you can align yourself with the other side without seeming just as sociopaths as that group.

Do you honestly thing "hacking the ps3 website" has been the ONLY illegal thing they have done? If so, you don't know this group very well at all. They regularly have harassment campaigns of completely innocent poeple that just rub them the wrong way, the have hacked and broken into PLENTY of other things, the ps3 is just the biggest venture.

Say what you want about me, but the poeple support THEM are far more fanatical and blind than i could ever be. You have to be to support this group.

Dude, take a look at the post, I respect your choice, but it just seems a little over the top to me, that's all.

Second of all, I don't support them, I half agree with you. All I'm saying is, THEY ARE NOT ONLINE TERRORISTS, they are criminals. They are not willfully and with malicious intent (or whatever the hell it is) performing large scale attacks in an attempt to spread terror.

The Jessi Slaughter group were bullies, the PSN guys were (until proven otherwise) after money etc. They're not terrorists.

 

[Prince Regent]

NATO? Anonymous should be pursued by international LAW not an international army.

 

[Jamboxdotcom]

1) Why? Especially, why now? Anonymous has been keeping their heads down and is busy with infighting since the initial DDoS attack on Sony.
2) Focus rather on actual hackers, like Lulzsec.
3) Persecute is in fact the correct word, as actual prosecution would only be possible for a handful of publicly known members.

 

[Thedutchjelle]

I dunno, NATO is pretty professional, I think they have a decent chance against Anon.

They'll just carpet bomb suspicious neighborhoods