Naughty Dog: Uncharted 2 'Impossible' On Xbox 360

[SinisterDeath]

Thanks for all that informative information on the PC vs a gaming console (PS3).

But can it run a game straight out the box, correctly, every time, without having to do anything at all such as meeting arbitrary "requirements" that seem to fit only about 10% of the gaming community at any one time, avoid game crashing glitches, and low levels of installation while allowing the gamer to play within 10 minutes of opening the BOX?

I'll go ahead and answer for you.

NO, it cannot.

Fatality
PS3 Wins.

Can ps3 give flawless controls over RTS games? Can ps3 support player made mods for games? Can ps3 make use of 30+ buttons of controls? Can ps3 match High Budget PC graphics? Can ps3 run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? Can ps3 be upgraded to run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? If you answered NO to all of these, then you win a cookie.

PS3 wins if your a lazy tard with no job XD

Um.. actually...
Let me address this in rapid fire fashion.

Yes, it's called a USB keyboard.
Yes, if anybody cared to explore that but they don't. Little Big Planet is example.
Yes, see answer #1
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes.
Yes, since those games are MADE specifically for that console's hardware. Can a PC? I'll answer that for you... "No, not without tweaks, updates, and expensive upgrades"
No, since there is no need. See answer #5.

I guess I wont get a cookie, but I will get an A+ for answering correctly.
The big excuse a few WEEKS ago was that the PS3 was "too expensive".
A bad ass gaming rig is really what is "Too expensive".

PS3 = formerly $399 now $299.
PC capable of playing the latest and greatest flawlessly = $1000
Show me where I can get a PC capable of playing Batman's Arkham Asylum on anything RESEMBLING the same level of quality for $299.

Save yourself the trouble. You CAN'T.
Sure, you have a larger user-created mod community... but that's usually because you have less GAMES to occupy your time with or you're one of those few people who get off to that stuff. Fallout 3 mods look impressive, but quite frankly, many mods are hastily made, poorly constructed, and worst of all, BORING. I'd rather wait for DLC content by a PROFESSIONAL developer than be arsed with spending an afternoon wading through waves of shitty, thrown-together half-assed unoriginal mods or toy around with poorly designed skins just to find the odd "diamond in the rough" worth giving a go.

For people who strictly want to play games, ONLY games, and move on with their lives, the PS3 is the best value. Plus, I can play from the comfort of my bed, couch, chair, floor. Hard to do that with a PC without some form of extra effort such as buying a wireless controller, hooking it up to a tv, a wireless keyboard, etc.

And good luck playing your PC with your FRIENDS, unless you're one of those types who has buddies who enjoy huddling around your monitor at your desk like highschoolers looking at coed porn.

Thats cause the ps3/360 are all selling at a loss, So you might as well say a $400 or $500 pc to compare. And just speaking hardware wise, You can easilly build one for around 300 or 400 that can run the new batman game, at better quality then the PS3.

To boot, if you have a PC with a vid card above say , 7000 series (Geforce), you can build an entire pc, in a few months, for under $300.
The new i5 750 + mobo wll run you about that.
And since it probably uses the same memory as you got now, you can use your old memory/vid card/hard drive/case.
Thats call an upgrade.
Upgrades are cheaper then buying everything new.

I got a 9800 GTX+, I can upgrade to a the 850 vid card, which is nearly 5x as powerful, for about $200 or so, and i'd be getting nearly tripple my fps.
IF I go with the new i5 cpu/motherboards, even if you have to get new memory, your still looking at only about $350 or so. we can use our old parts. You can't put new parts in a ps2. They aren't a fair comparison. The only time a PC costs $1000 is when you are doing an upgrade from many, many generations back.

My PC cost more then my orginal $600 mark, because
A) My old case was to small, had to get a new one.
B) My old hard drive failed had to buy a new one
C) My psu I bought, failed had to buy a new one.
If I hadn't had to do all that, I could have had a new pc for $600 or less (At that time, PS3 was $599)
A Q6600/2GB memory/Geforce 9800 > Ps3 in power. You can buy all that stuff for much cheaper now.. probably closer to around $400 instead of $600. Cases/powersupplies/hard drive is going to cost you a good $150 for case/psu, and hard drive about $40+.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Thanks for all that informative information on the PC vs a gaming console (PS3).

But can it run a game straight out the box, correctly, every time, without having to do anything at all such as meeting arbitrary "requirements" that seem to fit only about 10% of the gaming community at any one time, avoid game crashing glitches, and low levels of installation while allowing the gamer to play within 10 minutes of opening the BOX?

I'll go ahead and answer for you.

NO, it cannot.

Fatality
PS3 Wins.

1. Installing every game is actually an advantage to the PC faster loads, no need to compress data.
2. Game stopping glitches get fixed like the Ramps in tomb raider underworld. Also good luck finding the missing NPC in fallout 3 when they go missing.
3.90% of the PC gamer community needs to get thier stuff sorted, dual core/2Gb ram/8800+ graphics card can handle everything out their stuff thats been available for the last 4 years.

 

[jamesworkshop]

Thanks for all that informative information on the PC vs a gaming console (PS3).

But can it run a game straight out the box, correctly, every time, without having to do anything at all such as meeting arbitrary "requirements" that seem to fit only about 10% of the gaming community at any one time, avoid game crashing glitches, and low levels of installation while allowing the gamer to play within 10 minutes of opening the BOX?

I'll go ahead and answer for you.

NO, it cannot.

Fatality
PS3 Wins.

Can ps3 give flawless controls over RTS games? Can ps3 support player made mods for games? Can ps3 make use of 30+ buttons of controls? Can ps3 match High Budget PC graphics? Can ps3 run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? Can ps3 be upgraded to run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? If you answered NO to all of these, then you win a cookie.

PS3 wins if your a lazy tard with no job XD

actually it can, the PS3 has full mouse and keyboard support and i'm pretty sure that can be used in game as well, so it could easily do all that stuff

also, it can run stuff a high end PC can with less horse power, it ran Crysis fine
it can run all it's games without lag
it doesn't have to be upgraded to run a new game, tho you can put in a new bigger hard drive
it can also support player mods, look at little big planet

so you lost your little thing and PS3 now beats PC

really you should do your homework first and learn something before you get easily proven wrong

full mouse and keyboard is not available, 2 games and an internet browser is not proper support.
Most PCs run crysis fine (even my 2006 PC didn't need upgrading) and no the PS3 is not lag free despite often only ever being capablke of 720P and 30Hz.
Sure upgrades are part and parcel but again is only an advantage at the end of the Day I know plenty of People who were pissed at how long it took Nvidia to make a faster card than the 8800GTX and the utter failiure of ATi's 2000/3000 series to do that job either

 

[Ninja_X]

What the hell? Who really cares about Uncharted?

My thoughts are pretty much this.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Thats cause the ps3/360 are all selling at a loss, So you might as well say a $400 or $500 pc to compare. And just speaking hardware wise, You can easilly build one for around 300 or 400 that can run the new batman game, at better quality then the PS3.

To boot, if you have a PC with a vid card above say , 7000 series (Geforce), you can build an entire pc, in a few months, for under $300.
The new i5 750 + mobo wll run you about that.
And since it probably uses the same memory as you got now, you can use your old memory/vid card/hard drive/case.
Thats call an upgrade.
Upgrades are cheaper then buying everything new.

I got a 9800 GTX+, I can upgrade to a the 850 vid card, which is nearly 5x as powerful, for about $200 or so, and i'd be getting nearly tripple my fps.
IF I go with the new i5 cpu/motherboards, even if you have to get new memory, your still looking at only about $350 or so. we can use our old parts. You can't put new parts in a ps2. They aren't a fair comparison. The only time a PC costs $1000 is when you are doing an upgrade from many, many generations back.

My PC cost more then my orginal $600 mark, because
A) My old case was to small, had to get a new one.
B) My old hard drive failed had to buy a new one
C) My psu I bought, failed had to buy a new one.
If I hadn't had to do all that, I could have had a new pc for $600 or less (At that time, PS3 was $599)
A Q6600/2GB memory/Geforce 9800 > Ps3 in power. You can buy all that stuff for much cheaper now.. probably closer to around $400 instead of $600. Cases/powersupplies/hard drive is going to cost you a good $150 for case/psu, and hard drive about $40+.

I hear this sort of stuff ALL THE TIME on forums, but the reality is far, FAR different.
I'm still a PC gamer here and there (not recently because nothing good has really come out to catch my fancy, so I still fall back on BF2142 here and there) and my PC is just fine for most new games.
My problem is that people keep quoting this non-existent, unfactual quote for a top of the line gaming PC being under $800. Where exactly are you buying your parts from? The south Korean black market? By the time you buy a moderately decent Mobo/cpu combo (barebones), power supply, ram (which is rather dirt cheap right now), hard drive, disk drive/dvd rw, graphic cards, and adequate cooling and assuming you already have a quality monitor, keyboard, and mouse, optional soundcard and NIC, you've already crested the $800 mark and STILL climbing. Toss in an OS (unless you're a PIRATE and steal your Windoze), thats another $200 or if you're so inclined you could run something like Linux but that is a decision that IMMEDIATELY cancels out about 90% of the mainstream users right off the bat.

Then there's assembly, updating your drivers, optimizing...

Thats a SERIOUS investment and really, only a hobbiest could be arsed to do that. Certainly the average person who just wants to play games such as Uncharted 2 doesnt want to go through all that nonsense. Even when you gather all those parts, it'll take you the better part of a day to be up, running, and ready to game.

It takes about 5 minutes to set up your PS3 out of the box, pop in the game, and be well into the tutorial while you would still be attaching your motherboard to the case.
And good luck if one of those parts is faulty (I've bought faulty motherboards before, no fun). Have yet to hear of a single person with a "faulty" PS3 that didnt even post straight out the box.

This is the main reason why consoles are more desirable to the lay person than a big bad gaming PC. No fuss, no muss. We can have a great gaming experience with little to no effort, while a PC requires maintenance. It's like trying to preach the virtues of a standard shift car to someone who is used to automatics. You'll never overcome the "convenience" factor.

Now show me where I can build a comparable system to a PS3 for $299 and I'll concede that PC's are better. Until then, my opinion is resolute, that they are not.

 

[Treblaine]

Of course it's not possible on Xbox 360... because it is a 1st party Sony game.

And it is easy to fill 25GB if you show absolutely zero care for content size and just let it bloat with uncompressed audio and data repetition. Just take a look at what has been done on the N64, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Nintendo DS and many other consoles that were supposedly crippled by their media size but easily overcame. In the 6th gen the potential of DVD was not even close to being fully realised.

 

[Deity1986]

Isn't the entire point that Naughty Dog works for Sony and have been given the duty of trying to fix all the coding issues. Everyone knows that the ps3 coding is a pain in the ass, so Naughty Dog is brought forward to try and show what the ps3 is capable of once you get used to it and to help others with it. The man said it: "...it's our job."

The comment about the 360 not being able to support the game is moot since, even if it is because uncharted 2 isn't compressed very well, a ps3 bluray disc will hold more than the xbox HD disc regardless of what you're trying to put on it. Eventually the ps3 will have bigger and better games purely because of the technology available to it.

 

[sneak_copter]

Nobody has mentioned that no matter how good the tech is, 25 GB of space for a linear, I would guess short game, is completely wasteful. Fallout 3 fit on a 9GB Dual-Layer DVD with plenty of room to spare.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Thanks for all that informative information on the PC vs a gaming console (PS3).

But can it run a game straight out the box, correctly, every time, without having to do anything at all such as meeting arbitrary "requirements" that seem to fit only about 10% of the gaming community at any one time, avoid game crashing glitches, and low levels of installation while allowing the gamer to play within 10 minutes of opening the BOX?

I'll go ahead and answer for you.

NO, it cannot.

Fatality
PS3 Wins.

Can ps3 give flawless controls over RTS games? Can ps3 support player made mods for games? Can ps3 make use of 30+ buttons of controls? Can ps3 match High Budget PC graphics? Can ps3 run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? Can ps3 be upgraded to run all it's games flawlessly with no lag? If you answered NO to all of these, then you win a cookie.

PS3 wins if your a lazy tard with no job XD

Um.. actually...
Let me address this in rapid fire fashion.

Yes, it's called a USB keyboard.
Yes, if anybody cared to explore that but they don't. Little Big Planet is example.
Yes, see answer #1
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes.
Yes, since those games are MADE specifically for that console's hardware. Can a PC? I'll answer that for you... "No, not without tweaks, updates, and expensive upgrades"
No, since there is no need. See answer #5.

I guess I wont get a cookie, but I will get an A+ for answering correctly.
The big excuse a few WEEKS ago was that the PS3 was "too expensive".
A bad ass gaming rig is really what is "Too expensive".

PS3 = formerly $399 now $299.
PC capable of playing the latest and greatest flawlessly = $1000
Show me where I can get a PC capable of playing Batman's Arkham Asylum on anything RESEMBLING the same level of quality for $299.

Save yourself the trouble. You CAN'T.
Sure, you have a larger user-created mod community... but that's usually because you have less GAMES to occupy your time with or you're one of those few people who get off to that stuff. Fallout 3 mods look impressive, but quite frankly, many mods are hastily made, poorly constructed, and worst of all, BORING. I'd rather wait for DLC content by a PROFESSIONAL developer than be arsed with spending an afternoon wading through waves of shitty, thrown-together half-assed unoriginal mods or toy around with poorly designed skins just to find the odd "diamond in the rough" worth giving a go.

For people who strictly want to play games, ONLY games, and move on with their lives, the PS3 is the best value. Plus, I can play from the comfort of my bed, couch, chair, floor. Hard to do that with a PC without some form of extra effort such as buying a wireless controller, hooking it up to a tv, a wireless keyboard, etc.

And good luck playing your PC with your FRIENDS, unless you're one of those types who has buddies who enjoy huddling around your monitor at your desk like highschoolers looking at coed porn.

Wow, do you just say yes to everything? By claiming theres LESS of a mod community for PS3 just made me LOL! There is NO MOD COMMUNITY FOR PS3 save for little big planets level designer XD And even then, you cant add new models and such in. AND I love how you further shoot yourself in the foot by claiming it's 1.) Hard to find good mods 2.) that any one who mods obviously doesnt have enough games.

See heres the thing you cute little sonic fanboy ^.^
1.) If I find a game I love, I will play it endlessly. I played morrowind WITHOUT MODS for 3 years (among other games) because I truly enjoyed exploring it.
2.)Good luck playing on your crappy PS3 network with your buddies, unless you're one of those types who enjoy huddling around your television screen like highschool shutins (Funny, really, how your own attack against PC multiplayer can be so easily turned around XD)
3.) PS3 is now selling at a nice loss, and they took out backwards compatibility. SO, while I am sitting her enjoying my copy of final fantasy 7 on PC, you're just shit out of luck and have to buy a PS1 to play it XD and while I am at it, lets make a realistic comparison. A computer made for gaming, selling at a loss, 300-500? AND it has backwards compatibility
4.) "For people who strictly want to play games, ONLY games, and move on with their lives, the PS3 is the best value. " For people who want to get a life and go outside for a change, trashing your PS3 is the way to go. See how that works? I can easily claim console gamers have no life too XD

 

[Hazy]

So.. I'm guessing "Ending the Console Wars" is out of the question?
Also:

Of course it's not possible on Xbox 360... because it is a 1st party Sony game.

I am so happy to know I'm not the only one who immediately thought this

 

[Jumplion]

2.)Good luck playing on your crappy PS3 network with your buddies, unless you're one of those types who enjoy huddling around your television screen like highschool shutins (Funny, really, how your own attack against PC multiplayer can be so easily turned around XD)

How is PSN crappy? It all just depends on your internet connection, something that effects PCs as well.

3.) PS3 is now selling at a nice loss, and they took out backwards compatibility. SO, while I am sitting her enjoying my copy of final fantasy 7 on PC, you're just shit out of luck and have to buy a PS1 to play it XD and while I am at it, lets make a realistic comparison. A computer made for gaming, selling at a loss, 300-500? AND it has backwards compatibility

Um, actually, all PS3's are PS1 compatible and Final Fantasy 7 is for sale on the PSN as a PS1 classic title, as well as many other PS1 games. And last I heard, the PC port of FFVII sucked, but that's just what I've heard.

4.) "For people who strictly want to play games, ONLY games, and move on with their lives, the PS3 is the best value. " For people who want to get a life and go outside for a change, trashing your PS3 is the way to go. See how that works? I can easily claim console gamers have no life too XD

What is a problem with having consoles? I really don't understand this mentality for PC users, not everyone wants to go knee deep in specs, motherboards, and hexigonal-quad-powered-GCPUs or whatever. PC gaming is definitely relevant, of course, but it is by no means the solution to everyone's gaming problems. If you're starting out PC gaming and you want to build your own PC from scratch for the very first time, it'll take forever just to find the right optimized GPU for the Sound Chip in the Diamond-Encrusted Motherboard, and another eternity just to put the damn parts together, plus infinity with uploading all the updates and OSs and all that crap.

My PC that I am using right now is hardly optimized for gaming. Hell, it can hardly run the Half Life 2 demo for Christ's sake. Replacing all of the necessary components to make it at least decent in playing games would take a few hundred dollars for a few parts. Replacing it with a completely new built up PC would maybe take a few hundred more. No doubt after you get into PC gaming, it gets cheaper, but the entry cost just to get in the fucking door is much too much for many people.

I have no doubt that someday I will become a PC gamer, it's more or less the "evolutionary" step from console gaming. But for now, I'm content with just buying a $400 package, plugging it in, and playing the game I want give or take an installation or two. PC gaming isn't for everyone, and it's silly to assume that the only people who aren't into it are "lazy, jobless, people!" I highly doubt a college student, working mother, or regular business man, would care enough to find out that the GX-Quad-124724-Elevendy-CPU is better than the CC-Hexiducimal-Duo-CPU.

But that's just my rant.

 

[Dr.Sean]

I wish IndigoDingo was here to see this.

 

[Sneaky Paladin]

Xbox 360 can't play this game I intensely did not like and it still has better games then this. WOW

 

[SinisterDeath]

I hear this sort of stuff ALL THE TIME on forums, but the reality is far, FAR different.
I'm still a PC gamer here and there (not recently because nothing good has really come out to catch my fancy, so I still fall back on BF2142 here and there) and my PC is just fine for most new games.

Try playing age of conan.

My problem is that people keep quoting this non-existent, unfactual quote for a top of the line gaming PC being under $800.

I never once said top of the line. I said you can build a pc for under $600 that out-performs the PS3.
Learn to Read.

Where exactly are you buying your parts from? The south Korean black market?

www.tigerdirect.com
www.newegg.com
www.amazon.com
www.ebay.com
Take your pick.

By the time you buy a moderately decent Mobo/cpu combo (barebones), power supply, ram (which is rather dirt cheap right now), hard drive, disk drive/dvd rw, graphic cards, and adequate cooling and assuming you already have a quality monitor, keyboard, and mouse, optional soundcard and NIC, you've already crested the $800 mark and STILL climbing. Toss in an OS (unless you're a PIRATE and steal your Windoze), thats another $200 or if you're so inclined you could run something like Linux but that is a decision that IMMEDIATELY cancels out about 90% of the mainstream users right off the bat.

Did you even read my post? I never said you had to BUY EVERYTHING OVER AGAIN.
You can keep your old case. Your old monitor. your OLD OPERATING SYSTEM, your OLD HARD DRIVE. Your OLD POWERSUPPLY, your old GRAPHICS CARD, YOUR OLD DVD DRIVE, You can use your old COoling system, ANd you don't even NEED ONE. Whats that leave you? Motherboard/CPU, and possibly Memory.

Try again.

Then there's assembly, updating your drivers, optimizing...

Thats a SERIOUS investment and really, only a hobbiest could be arsed to do that. Certainly the average person who just wants to play games such as Uncharted 2 doesnt want to go through all that nonsense. Even when you gather all those parts, it'll take you the better part of a day to be up, running, and ready to game.

You make it sound like putting a pc together is like, OMFG IMPOSSIBLE! Its not. Optimizing? Wtf are you an idiot? You can keep factory settings the way they are. You DO NOT Have to fucking overclock your pc! Thats the 'enthuisiest' level.

It takes about 5 minutes to set up your PS3 out of the box, pop in the game, and be well into the tutorial while you would still be attaching your motherboard to the case.
And good luck if one of those parts is faulty (I've bought faulty motherboards before, no fun). Have yet to hear of a single person with a "faulty" PS3 that didnt even post straight out the box.

Actually it takes you about 20-30 minutes to get past the initial PS3 setup. You really don't know what your talking about do you? When you get a pc, you put it together, set it up. ITs done. You pop in a game same day, alittle later, it plays just as fast as the ps3/360, and with better graphics.

This is the main reason why consoles are more desirable to the lay person than a big bad gaming PC. No fuss, no muss. We can have a great gaming experience with little to no effort, while a PC requires maintenance. It's like trying to preach the virtues of a standard shift car to someone who is used to automatics. You'll never overcome the "convenience" factor.

Now show me where I can build a comparable system to a PS3 for $299 and I'll concede that PC's are better. Until then, my opinion is resolute, that they are not.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141005
$154 Motherboard.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115206
$109 CPU
Thats $263.
Asuming you have a graphics card above a 7000 series, thats a PCI-e, and at least a 600 watt PSU, and DDR2 800-1200, a case, a hard drive, a dvd drive, you can boot your pc up fairly fast after putting those few things together.

If you don't have a video card thats pci.e the 9800 GTX is only $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
$129

If you don't have a PSU you can get a nice one for
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341019
$89

If you don't have the memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220144
$32

Course, if you don't have any old parts that are compatible, your looking at $513.
I purposely have not included a case/dvd/hard drive, simply because, you shoudl have at least those 3 things.

$513 for a pc that can out perform a PS3.

Considering the $300 PS3 is being sold at a loss its impossible to compare, becuase they maybe making a Ps3 for $400, or $500. And if I can build a pc for Under $600, That means theres other people out there, lookin to sell there 'old' pcs, Cause the one I linked, was high end about 3 years ago, not its about mid-range bordering on the low.

Upgrading a pc is vastly cheaper then buying a new one. Andonly a fool goes through Dell. That build I made. Would cost you Basically $800.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

2.)Good luck playing on your crappy PS3 network with your buddies, unless you're one of those types who enjoy huddling around your television screen like highschool shutins (Funny, really, how your own attack against PC multiplayer can be so easily turned around XD)

How is PSN crappy? It all just depends on your internet connection, something that effects PCs as well.

3.) PS3 is now selling at a nice loss, and they took out backwards compatibility. SO, while I am sitting her enjoying my copy of final fantasy 7 on PC, you're just shit out of luck and have to buy a PS1 to play it XD and while I am at it, lets make a realistic comparison. A computer made for gaming, selling at a loss, 300-500? AND it has backwards compatibility

Um, actually, all PS3's are PS1 compatible and Final Fantasy 7 is for sale on the PSN as a PS1 classic title, as well as many other PS1 games. And last I heard, the PC port of FFVII sucked, but that's just what I've heard.

4.) "For people who strictly want to play games, ONLY games, and move on with their lives, the PS3 is the best value. " For people who want to get a life and go outside for a change, trashing your PS3 is the way to go. See how that works? I can easily claim console gamers have no life too XD

What is a problem with having consoles? I really don't understand this mentality for PC users, not everyone wants to go knee deep in specs, motherboards, and hexigonal-quad-powered-GCPUs or whatever. PC gaming is definitely relevant, of course, but it is by no means the solution to everyone's gaming problems. If you're starting out PC gaming and you want to build your own PC from scratch for the very first time, it'll take forever just to find the right optimized GPU for the Sound Chip in the Diamond-Encrusted Motherboard, and another eternity just to put the damn parts together, plus infinity with uploading all the updates and OSs and all that crap.

My PC that I am using right now is hardly optimized for gaming. Hell, it can hardly run the Half Life 2 demo for Christ's sake. Replacing all of the necessary components to make it at least decent in playing games would take a few hundred dollars for a few parts. Replacing it with a completely new built up PC would maybe take a few hundred more. No doubt after you get into PC gaming, it gets cheaper, but the entry cost just to get in the fucking door is much too much for many people.

I have no doubt that someday I will become a PC gamer, it's more or less the "evolutionary" step from console gaming. But for now, I'm content with just buying a $400 package, plugging it in, and playing the game I want give or take an installation or two. PC gaming isn't for everyone, and it's silly to assume that the only people who aren't into it are "lazy, jobless, people!" I highly doubt a college student, working mother, or regular business man, would care enough to find out that the GX-Quad-124724-Elevendy-CPU is better than the CC-Hexiducimal-Duo-CPU.

But that's just my rant.

PSN netowrk is okay.. but at the same time it's a piece of crap. Just the way it's structured makes it hard to find friends and such.

next, SONY itself announced it will no longer be doing backwards compatibility. BUT, it will be happy to sell you the right to play the games you already own the disks for. Cute, huh?

and finally, theres nothing wrong with console gaming. Just don't go trying to state that consoles are superior to PCs when it comes to gaming when PCs can handle better graphics, larger scenarios ( Try playing the indie ganme "Mount & Blade" with a battle size set to 2000 without the PS3 chugging about XD) and unlike PS3, computers arent stagnant technology, they can grow and expand. I paid 400 dollars total for my PC because I built mine myself. So no, if you have a clue how to shop around, they arent that expensive. I play consoles all the time, I just get annoyed when console tards (The people who ruined oblivion by making it dumbed down for them) try and claim console gaming is in every way superior to PC gaming XD

 

[Treblaine]

PC capable of playing the latest and greatest flawlessly = $1000
Show me where I can get a PC capable of playing Batman's Arkham Asylum on anything RESEMBLING the same level of quality for $299.

That's pretty unfair as even if you spent $1000 on a PC (which is way too much anyway) you aren't just getting a games platform, you are getting a computer as well. Unlike a console it is fully upgradable, just buy a new GPU rather than a whole new system. There are other costs savings with gaming on PC like no need for an expensive HDTV as you can get very high resolution monitors for the faction of the price of a similar resolution HDTV. PS3 is very limited in output via HDMI, monitors that accept the input have an added premium.

I'll work in British pounds since that's what I know and the PS3 is £250 over here for some reason:

http://www.meshcomputers.com/default.aspx?PAGE=PRODCATEGORYVIEWPAGE&USG=APPLICATION&ENT=APPLICATION&KEY=71810

That's £399 for the whole shebang, 500GB Hard drive, powerful CPU, loads of RAM, as well as including a 20 inch monitor in 1080p resolution.

It's got everything except the GPU. But that's good because I know of an amazing deal you can get separately; the ATI 4770 GPU, for only £70 it is has won the budget gaming award in every computer magazine I have seen it mentioned. It will even render Crysis at maximum settings with good framerate if you stay at 720p resolution.

So, for £469 you can get all that. I would not sniff at it.

Also, hardly any consoles support mouse aim or mouse select which is a huge advantage in RTS and especially FPS games. And console support of keyboard is pretty patchy as well not forgetting that dozens of RTS have not been released and have no plan for release on any console.


Before you ask, I have both a PS3 and a 360 but I always try to get FPS and RTS games on the PC release rather than console as Mouse + Keyboard is so much better and most developers (Valve especially) support PC the most.

It should be noted that games like Arkham Asylum, Riddick: Dark Athena and GTA4 are heavily optimised for their respective console releases, in fact they are usually built on the console engine, when these are ported to PC they normally under perform, needing far more powerful graphics cards than the graphics would suggest.

Yet developers with more of a PC background like Infinity Ward and Treyarch, both COD4 and COD: WAW were not capable of 720p resolution on either PS3 or 360 but only 640p that is then upscaled to 720p. COD4 actually performs amazingly well on even rather low end PCs.


All I'm trying to say is PC gaming is competitive and practical that can easily keep up with the consoles though it has strengths in different areas. It is far from ultimate, even though I have a powerful PC I won't be getting Arkham on PC but also I will definitely not be getting COD: Modern Warfare 2 on the either PS3 or 360 but on PC.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

People, stop this nonsense about PC vs PS3.

Give it enough years, and every console shall be assimilated by the PC collective. This is fact.

I wish IndigoDingo was here to see this.

He is, he just can't talk about it.